A good commentary on the incident from IGN
"Go to any game, any stadium, and you see the same scene: Drunk fans cursing in
front of young children, thinking that just because
they paid hundreds of dollars to watch a game, that ticket also gives them the
right to act verbally abusive to anyone an
But what was he defending himself against is my question. There was no
continuing threat, the security guard got there at the same time.
Exactly, going after somebody who threw a beverage at one and punching them is
not self defense, it is retaliation. One does not have are right to revenge.
I don't think they are fining them, just not paying them for the games they
can't play due to suspension.
Is this what you have a problem with? The no pay for no play?
Jerry
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/23/04 12:48PM >>>
I don't have a problem with s
I don't have a problem with suspending or kicking them out, I do have a
problem with fining them, but that is just my opinion.
-Original Message-
From: G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:42 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
The NBA, and all
The NBA, and all other professional leagues, can and do punish players for
domestic abuse or other crimes committed while out of uniform. In fact, if
you read the CBA i posted, any player found guilty of a felony is gauranteed
punishment by the league.
The NFL suspended Jamaal Lewis 4 games (or wa
Of course we have the right to judge him. That is one of the benefits of being
part of a society. Not on what I think I would do, but on what I think HE
SHOULD HAVE done.
I probably would have gone into the stands. Of course, I would have got my butt
kicked. But the fact that I might have done
is out of line.
-Original Message-
From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:03 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
Did Stern punish Ronnie for hitting someone? Or did he punish him for
going into the stands and hitting a fan? I don't t
Look. He gets into it with Ben Wallace so I can imagine that his
adrenalin really starts pumping. Next he tries to chill and some
jackass tosses a drink at him. This isn't a guy at a convention
getting "fouled" by a competitor and then having a passer by toss a
drink in his face.
If anyone thinks
.
Now every state will operate differently. For instance, in Kentucky, the
striking of a Duke fan is not only legal, but it is encouraged.
-Original Message-
From: Won Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:49 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
When
He was punished for hitting someone. He was punished more for hitting a fan. He
was punished even more for going into the stands to reach that fan. He was
punished even more for doing so in the presence of a camera and a large public
audience. And he was punished even more to try to stem the
an
Of course it was a heinous act. Beating a guy is not normal behavior. It is a
crime. It is mean. It is not good.
It is one step from that to the Vibe awards punching, stabbing and assault with
chairs.
It is thuggery. Pure and simple.
It should not be tolerated in bars, in crowds on New Years,
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> Well, apparently most of us feel that one punch was too many. And
> Commissioner Stern agrees.
>
> So, one punch was too many.
>
> Jerry
>
> Jerry Johnson
> Web Developer
> Dolan Media Company
>
Did Stern punish Ronnie for hitting someone? Or did he punish him for
goi
Won Lee wrote:
> When dealing with such issues degrees have less weight then you are
> putting on them. Why? Because once person might think 1 punch is ok,
> but 2 punches is too much. Another person might think 2 punches are ok,
> but 3 is too much. Another might think 2 punches is OK un
Well, apparently most of us feel that one punch was too many. And Commissioner
Stern agrees.
So, one punch was too many.
Jerry
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/23/04 11:48AM >>>
When dealing with such issues degrees have less weight then you are
putting
Jerry Johnson wrote:
> So Won,
>
> Do you think it is morally right for a man to repeatedly punch and try to
> kick another man because the first man threw water on him?
>
> I don't.
>
> If he had thrown water back at him, fine. Maybe a push in the chest. Beating
> the crap out of a guy for a
So Won,
Do you think it is morally right for a man to repeatedly punch and try to kick
another man because the first man threw water on him?
I don't.
If he had thrown water back at him, fine. Maybe a push in the chest. Beating
the crap out of a guy for a little water? I don't see that as moral
Kazmierczak, Kevin wrote:
> Well put Jerry. Even if you did punch the right guy, you would probably
> suffer similar consequences.
>
> Kevin.
>
What a corporation might or might not do is, and should be, out side the
scope of when evaluating Artest's actions. What a court may or may not
find
Well put Jerry. Even if you did punch the right guy, you would probably
suffer similar consequences.
Kevin.
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:55 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
We will visit you in jail
rd to
tell with the video I had.
If anybody has space for a 85Meg video I will upload it.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:52 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
Well maybe he thought it was the other guy. Maybe the
We will visit you in jail then, Bill.
This wasn't on the street. This was on a job site.
If you were working at a trade show for your company, and a user outside the
booth threw water on you, and you waded through the crowd and attacked the
wrong person, punching them repeatedly, how long do yo
Well maybe he thought it was the other guy. Maybe the other guy did
something else. It's sad everyones going to lambaste the players. OH
they are so much bigger. That is BS on the street if a big guy gets
attacked and hits back the news won't say he shouldn't have defended
himself because he was so
Being a professional means you are able to stand upto what the job
entails. And when things out of the norm happen you can throw
professionalism out the window.
pro·fes·sion·al·ism P Pronunciation Key (pr-fsh-n-lzm)
n.
Professional status, methods, character, or standards.
The use of prof
gt;
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:24 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Ron Artest
> >
> > Just saying i understand why he did what he did. To begin with he wa
gt; But what was he defending himself against is my question. There was no
> continuing threat, the security guard got there at the same time.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:24 AM
>
Nope. He went right by the guy in the white shirt (who threw the cup), and got
the guy behind him.
(They had really good closeups with enhanced video on the news this morning.)
Jerry
Jerry Johnson
Web Developer
Dolan Media Company
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/23/04 10:33AM >>>
Based on the video I
> Being a professional doesn't mean you are any more able to stand upto
> having shit thrown at you then a regular person. Professional = He's a
> good basketball player and that is it. Past that he's a regular guy
> and yes i can see myself or anyone going off on someone who does that
> crap.
Tha
Based on the video I saw Artest got the guy that threw the cup at him. I
could be wrong, I'm downloading it again to see
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:14 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
I don't
Well i'm sure there was a reason for him going after the other guy
then as well. People don't just flip out on fans for no reason. And
i'm of the mind that perhaps the fans deserved it for their behaviour.
You haven't ever seen this but for years you've got a history of rowdy
fans and its time that
But what was he defending himself against is my question. There was no
continuing threat, the security guard got there at the same time.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 10:24 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
Being a professional doesn't mean you are any more able to stand upto
having shit thrown at you then a regular person. Professional = He's a
good basketball player and that is it. Past that he's a regular guy
and yes i can see myself or anyone going off on someone who does that
crap. We all have ou
http://armchairgm.com/index.php?p=36
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:22:28 -0600, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it's hilarious that the guy who DID throw the cupused to live
> next door to the DA who would be prosecuting any criminal cases. The
> prosecutor was able to identify the guy person
Just saying i understand why he did what he did. To begin with he was
the guy who got pushed and then all that the fucking detriot fans who
i would consider dogs more then fans started harressing them. No
player should have to put up with that shit. The sad thing is those
fans are going to get mill
I think it's hilarious that the guy who DID throw the cupused to live
next door to the DA who would be prosecuting any criminal cases. The
prosecutor was able to identify the guy personally after watching the tape.
Classic.
Oh, and the guy does have a fairly lengthy record, including multiple
I don't see anyone pointing out that the guy Artest attacked STILL HAD A CUP IN
HIS HAND.
He was not the guy that threw the cup. (The guy that threw the cup was wearing
a white shirt)
That alone is enough for Artest to get thrown out on his keister, in my mind.
Jerry
Jerry Johnson
Web Develo
> Nick wrote:
> Well, he wasn't really playing; he was laying face down on the scorer's
> table.
>
Controlling your emotions and using the law to defend yourself should
be the lesson here.
The cup dude should've been singled out, kicked out, possibly
suspended for life from buying tickets or att
-defense and revenge.
-Original Message-
From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:27 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Ron Artest
I don't need to see that to understand why he did what he did. You
throw shit at me when i'm playing a game and
> From: Phill B [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Just keep in mind that until you are in a situation like
> that, you have no idea how you would react. If he would have
> reacted any differently, people would have said that they
> would have kicked the guys ass that tossed the bottle of water.
I do
Just keep in mind that until you are in a situation like that, you
have no idea how you would react. If he would have reacted any
differently, people would have said that they would have kicked the
guys ass that tossed the bottle of water.
Phillip B.
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:34:57 -0500, Tangorre,
Had the cup been holding a fresh Budweiserperhaps retaliation would of
been in order.
but reports are it was a glass of water$5 million dollars over a glass
of water.
Also, reports today are that charges probably would not be filed against any
of the fans, minus a few possible misdemeanor
> -Original Message-
> From: Kazmierczak, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Plastic cups are dangerous. Especially the clear ones.
> Give me a break.
Once you factor in beer and ice, the average plastic cup becomes quite
the deadly weapon Just like a nerf gun!
~~~
Plastic cups are dangerous. Especially the clear ones.
Give me a break.
-Original Message-
From: Tangorre, Michael [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 8:35 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Ron Artest
> From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> B
> From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Being a "moron" doesn't make someone more or less prone to
> defend themselves.
Defend themselves from a plastic cup?! Oh come on, if you are going to
go into a violent rage over a plastic cup you have issues. It is just
like the typical American
I don't need to see that to understand why he did what he did. You
throw shit at me when i'm playing a game and i'm going to come up
there and knock your ass out too.
Being a "moron" doesn't make someone more or less prone to defend themselves.
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 08:19:07 -0500, Tangorre, Micha
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