RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-14 Thread Eric Roberts
The layers of abstraction would be mind bending heheheh -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 8:22 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments that's an

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-14 Thread Eric Roberts
, May 14, 2010 7:56 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments >do you use nave's? what about vine's? > >seriously KJV is good. but unless you know Greek or Hebrew, then you are >going of faith alone.. >y.n.r.y. &g

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-14 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
that's an idea...let's translate the bible into 6502 Assembly code or do we need an OO language? On May 14, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > >> do you use nave's? what about vine's? >> >> seriously KJV is good. but unless you know Greek or Hebrew, then you are >> going of faith alone..

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-14 Thread Kris Sisk
>do you use nave's? what about vine's? > >seriously KJV is good. but unless you know Greek or Hebrew, then you are >going of faith alone.. >y.n.r.y. >=] >-paul > Strong's, actually. And yeah, the whole thing is about faith. That's kinda a prerequisite for Bible study. Learning Greek and Hebr

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Eric Roberts
Funniest thing I hyave ever seen...well at least ot me...is in downtown Chicago, on the bottom floor of one of the big Churches...i a Bank of America...wonder what Jesus would have to say about that On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Sam wrote: > > They weren't in the temple, they were outsid

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Eric Roberts
I have never heard it referred to as the Hebrew bible by anyone other than non-Jews... On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Maureen wrote: > > The Torah is only part of the body of Hebrew scriptures. The entire > work is called the Tanakh, or Hebrew Bible, and consists of what is > commonly referr

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Eric Roberts
Thre is a verse in Corinthians II that says something to the extent of preach the word of god, but if they don;t want to hear it, shake the dust off of your feet as you leave thier townto paraphrase. It's in refernce to the command to go and evangelize...bascially go ans spread the word but d

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread morchella
http://books.google.com/books?id=5nmAt7xWnwsC&lpg=PA144&ots=BbwDLF7TW7&dq=%22yud%20nun%20resh%20yud%22&pg=PA144#v=onepage&q=%22yud%20nun%20resh%20yud%22&f=false ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread morchella
do you use nave's? what about vine's? seriously KJV is good. but unless you know Greek or Hebrew, then you are going of faith alone.. y.n.r.y. =] -paul On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > Oh...You're looking at the NIV...That explains a lot. > > Something you have to underst

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I don't think there's ever been an accurate translation from Aramaic or Greek Koan, its just too difficult. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > Oh...You're looking at the NIV...That explains a lot. > > Something you have to understand about modern translations like the NIV: Th

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
But if you don't understand the structure of the temple you're basing your view on ignorance. Let's try a different approach, find something to back up you're claim that he entered the balustrade where uncircumcised men where put to death for passing. Anything that mentions he went past the court

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread G Money
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:11 AM, Maureen wrote: > You weren't there, and neither were those who put > forth their interpretations in Wiki. ...and neither was Jesus, probably. oops. -- The suburbs have no charms to soothe The restless dream of youth ~~~

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Maureen
No it wasn't a joke, it was an analogy comparing the courtyard to a parking lot. You do realize that the possibility exists that the reason Jesus was angry was the these money changers were encroaching on sacred areas? You weren't there, and neither were those who put forth their interpretations i

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
That's were they parked there camels, inside the gates of the temple but not inside the sanctuary. You do realize they didn't have cars so it was kind of a joke? On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Maureen wrote: > > So you admin he was IN the temple, and not in the parking lot, as you > stated pr

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Maureen
So you admin he was IN the temple, and not in the parking lot, as you stated previously? On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Sam wrote: > > I'm not looking at anything, I'm using common sense. I just popped off > two google links. > > The courtyard is IN the temple walls. ~

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Maureen
No. I am however, a debate purist. If someone chooses to to base their arguments on source material, then they need to base it on what that source material actually says, not on some wikipedian's interpretation of that source material. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:36 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Wed

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
I'm not looking at anything, I'm using common sense. I just popped off two google links. The courtyard is IN the temple walls. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > Oh...You're looking at the NIV...That explains a lot. > > Something you have to understand about modern translati

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Kris Sisk
Oh...You're looking at the NIV...That explains a lot. Something you have to understand about modern translations like the NIV: They change stuff. You see if they did a 100% accurate translation they wouldn't be able to get a copyright. Without a copyright the company that does the translation

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_the_Money_Changers The area in question was almost certainly the Court of the Gentiles, a location in the massive Temple complex setup specifically for the purpose of purchasing sacrificial animals and—out of necessity—a place where Jewish pilgrims could exc

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread G Money
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Moot. No proof, only speculation. The Bible say he went into the > Temple. There is no mention in the Bible of The Court of Gentiles. > EOT. > Are you a Biblical fundamentalist, Maureen? -- The suburbs have no charms to soothe The restle

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Kris Sisk
What I think? Dude, I just LOOKED IT UP. Specifically the word we translate to 'temple' in English version of those verses refers to a sacred place. So basically you and I were both wrong and Maureen was right. The sacred place would be the temple proper. Not the hallway, not the parking lot, b

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
So you're a bible literalist? Which book, which translation. And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Sam
Really? That's what you think? I guess there's nothing more I can do here. On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > I went looked it up in the original text (with the help of my reference). > Maureen is right, he went into the temple. It never mentions the Court of the > Gentiles

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-13 Thread Kris Sisk
I went looked it up in the original text (with the help of my reference). Maureen is right, he went into the temple. It never mentions the Court of the Gentiles in any of the gospels. It does in some of the newer translations, but not in the original texts. ~~~

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
Moot. No proof, only speculation. The Bible say he went into the Temple. There is no mention in the Bible of The Court of Gentiles. EOT. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Sam wrote: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod's_Temple#The_Court_of_the_Gentiles > > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:17 PM,

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herod's_Temple#The_Court_of_the_Gentiles On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Maureen wrote: > > If you can jive anything historical with Jesus and the Bible you're > doing better than 2000 years of theological scholars, who have no > historical evidence of him at all.

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
2 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten > commandments > > > Matthew 6: 5-6 > > 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for > they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corn

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
If you can jive anything historical with Jesus and the Bible you're doing better than 2000 years of theological scholars, who have no historical evidence of him at all. The Bible says he went into the Temple. It does not say the Courtyard or the Parking Lot. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Sam

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
I'm talking about the Jewish temple and it's history and how that jives with your claim about Jesus and the Bible . On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Maureen wrote: > > What exactly does knowing history have to do with Jesus and the Bible? > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Sam wrote: >> >>

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Scott Stewart
Well played :) -Original Message- From: Maureen [mailto:mamamaur...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:02 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments Matthew 6: 5-6 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
What exactly does knowing history have to do with Jesus and the Bible? On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Sam wrote: > > I know some history. > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Maureen wrote: >> >> So you know more than Jesus about who and where they were and whether >> or not they should have

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
It was a courtyard and it was outside. Open to everyone, built for this purpose. I was at a church yard sale last weekend? How about schools on church grounds? How about getting married in a temple and having a reception in the same building, but not the same room? On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:39 P

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
I know some history. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Maureen wrote: > > So you know more than Jesus about who and where they were and whether > or not they should have been there? > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Kris Sisk
> So you're agreeing with me again? > Not exactly. I still say it's more like the hallway. One more step in would have been like our sactuary. Past that the people who were allowed to proceed into the temple got more restrictive and the modern church doesn't have an equivalent. Besides, eve

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
So you're agreeing with me again? On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > >>I never read new testament: I know ... I should. >> >>It was the court of gentiles; which was temple property; but not >>inside and not the holy grounds part. >> >>I guess I should read-up on how to use semi

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread morchella
wasn't it about sacrifice instead of a pilgrim bringing first fruits or THE ABSOLUTE BEST live stock. they where purchasing a Representative of there sin to be sacrificed. which in turn became, if you do not pay to have the priest receive your sacrifice you will not be atoned of said sin. so

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
So you know more than Jesus about who and where they were and whether or not they should have been there? On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Sam wrote: > > More like the parking lot ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! ht

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
Both Matthew and Mark say he went into the Temple. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > > Yes, it was the Courtyard of the Gentiles (also known as the Outer Court), > but it was also a part of the temple itself. Something you have to understand > about the temple: the further in

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
More like the parking lot On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > >>They weren't in the temple, they were outside. After such a long >>pilgrimage people needed a place to exchange money and resupply. >> >>Now they pass a money basket around inside; that's not right. > > First, they w

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Kris Sisk
>I never read new testament: I know ... I should. > >It was the court of gentiles; which was temple property; but not >inside and not the holy grounds part. > >I guess I should read-up on how to use semi-colons before I start >using them again :) > > > >> Yes, it was the Courtyard of the Gentiles

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
I never read new testament: I know ... I should. It was the court of gentiles; which was temple property; but not inside and not the holy grounds part. I guess I should read-up on how to use semi-colons before I start using them again :) On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Wha

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
The other books if I remember correctly refer to the Courtyard of the Gentiles where the purging of the temple occurred. Not quite inside the temple but still considered part of the Temple complex. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Maureen wrote: > > What book are you reading? > Matthew 21:12-13

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Kris Sisk
>They weren't in the temple, they were outside. After such a long >pilgrimage people needed a place to exchange money and resupply. > >Now they pass a money basket around inside; that's not right. First, they were in the temple courtyard, which was actually a part of the temple itself. It would

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
What book are you reading? Matthew 21:12-13 12 And Jesus went into the temple of G*d, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, 13 And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
They weren't in the temple, they were outside. After such a long pilgrimage people needed a place to exchange money and resupply. Now they pass a money basket around inside; that's not right. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > It made evey bit of sense - conducting bus

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
Conducting money lending in the temple when money lending is expressly forbidden in the law. But we all know bankers and money lenders never break the law. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > It made evey bit of sense - conducting business in a house of worship. > > Um so

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It made evey bit of sense - conducting business in a house of worship. Um sorry I forgot. Its a conservative mantra, business is religion and subject to worship. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Sam wrote: > > That money changer part made no sense. Matt should have left it out. > > On Wed, May

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
That money changer part made no sense. Matt should have left it out. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Jesus was a righteous peaceful dude, but he had no tolerance for > hypocrites and money changers. > ~| Or

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Medic
Coolest zombie ever! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Jesus was a righteous peaceful dude, but he had no tolerance for > hypocrites and money changers. > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons > wrote: > > > > So even the Christian bible labels those who want to

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
Jesus was a righteous peaceful dude, but he had no tolerance for hypocrites and money changers. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > So even the Christian bible labels those who want to push their brand > of fundamentalist Christianity as hypocrites. ~~

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
I have studied theology for more than 40 years, and have been an ordained minister for 18 years. I've read the Bible in multiple versions and languages more than 20 times, and know huge portions of it by heart. I've also done a lot of weddings and that verse is pretty common in a lot of wedding

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread G Money
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox < zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dude, that was a pretty simple questionI can't tell you how many times > I heard that at mass. > > I'm pretty sure it's also referenced in a lot of weddings. > All I ever heard at weddings is the atr

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
I think that's the Jesus part the founders didn't like :) On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > So even the Christian bible labels those who want to push their brand > of fundamentalist Christianity as hypocrites. > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Maureen wrote: >> >> M

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Larry C. Lyons
So even the Christian bible labels those who want to push their brand of fundamentalist Christianity as hypocrites. On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Matthew 6: 5-6 > > 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for > they love to pray standing in the syn

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
Dude, that was a pretty simple questionI can't tell you how many times I heard that at mass. I'm pretty sure it's also referenced in a lot of weddings. On May 12, 2010, at 8:20 AM, G Money wrote: > > You a biblical scholar...? I'm impressed...how'd you know that? > > On Wed, May 12, 201

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread G Money
You a biblical scholar...? I'm impressed...how'd you know that? On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:55 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Leave and Cleave > > On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:48 AM, G Money wrote: > > > > Ok all you Bible geeks...this was the Final Jeopardy question yesterday, > and > > I didn't get to he

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
Leave and Cleave On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:48 AM, G Money wrote: > > Ok all you Bible geeks...this was the Final Jeopardy question yesterday, and > I didn't get to hear the answerso...it's been killing me ever since: > > "In Genesis 2:24 these two words are what a man shall do to his parents

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread G Money
Ok all you Bible geeks...this was the Final Jeopardy question yesterday, and I didn't get to hear the answerso...it's been killing me ever since: "In Genesis 2:24 these two words are what a man shall do to his parents and then to his wife, add one letter to get the other." Can anyone get it

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Sam
I couldn't find that in the Hebrew Bible On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:01 AM, Maureen wrote: > > Matthew 6: 5-6 > > 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for > they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the > streets, that they may be seen of men.

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-12 Thread Maureen
Matthew 6: 5-6 5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. 6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet,

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Maureen
The Torah is only part of the body of Hebrew scriptures. The entire work is called the Tanakh, or Hebrew Bible, and consists of what is commonly referred to in Christian theology as the Old Testament. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:18 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > >

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Kris Sisk
>I have no problem with them saying a personal prayer...they can do that >before they leave for work or when they park their car before they go into >their offices. Just not on my dime... Honestly I'm more worried about the fact that most of them hardly ever show up for votes unless it's a majo

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
How much was the bill for the praying? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Every year on April 15th for the past 25 years or so... > ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
What some people refer to as the Old Testament we call the Hebrew bible which consist of many parts. Not just the Torah. If I was talking about just the Torah I would have said. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > The Tanakh is actually several books in one...the Torah is t

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
Every year on April 15th for the past 25 years or so... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 12:12 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments When did they start billing you

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments We're not talking about just the Torah we're talking about the what christians refer to as the new testament. I could call it the Tanakh but I figured most wouldn't know what that meant. On Tue, May 11, 2

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
No...it is it... -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:57 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments The Torah is a part of the Hebrew Bible. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:16

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
I'm not so worried about her being elected. If she were I would not be surprised if she would be so politically damaged that she would be helpless in office. What worries me is that she could become a significant power broker for the republicans, turning it more into a mouthpiece for the fundy, d

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Vivec wrote: > "According to Palin, the recent backlash against the National Day of > Prayer > is > proof that some people are trying to enact a "fundamental transformation of > Amer

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
When did they start billing you? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > I have no problem with them saying a personal prayer...they can do that > before they leave for work or when they park their car before they go into > their offices.  Just not on my dime.. ~~~

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
We're not talking about just the Torah we're talking about the what christians refer to as the new testament. I could call it the Tanakh but I figured most wouldn't know what that meant. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > >>Why are you laughing at the Hebrew Bible? Want me to

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Kris Sisk
>The Torah is a part of the Hebrew Bible. > Ok, fair enough. I see where you're coming from now. Yes, the Torah is only the first five books of the Christian Bible. The rest of the writings are seperated out by the Jews. They have the rest seperated out kind of like the Testaments except it's

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
I'm not sure if that would overlap with "Steak & BJ Day" which is an officially recognized holiday (at least by cf-community peeps) On May 11, 2010, at 11:51 AM, Sam wrote: > > BJ day? > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox > like the "National Day of Service Towards Anothe

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
but there is the problem of implicit approval. Using the school as an example, if a teacher or a principal leads a prayer in front of the class or school assembly what does that say to the students? That whatever the invoked deity is the official one. The authority figure does not have to say such

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
Or in the case of conservative anti-gay activists...gay male prostitute day? -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:51 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments BJ day? On

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments >Where it is a bad idea Kris, is that it sends a message that other religions >are not welcome here. Also, unless they have multiple prayers or rotate >chaplains from different religio

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
The Torah is a part of the Hebrew Bible. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > It's not called the Torah?  ROFL...You hear that Michael? LOL...wowSam > you are really in need of a clue and an education... ~~

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Kris Sisk
>Why are you laughing at the Hebrew Bible? Want me to call it the Old Testament? > > They're laughing because the Hebrews called it the same thing the modern Jews do. Torah. The term 'Bible' wasn't coined until the second or third century at the earliest. ~

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
esday, May 11, 2010 11:37 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments > Says they guy called a fundy :) > By some definitions I am a fundamentalist. I don't deny it. I spend a good deal of time studying the Bible in three dif

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
That I can agree with -Original Message- From: Zaphod Beeblebrox [mailto:zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:41 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments we should all just throw out the National

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
Why are you laughing at the Hebrew Bible? Want me to call it the Old Testament? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > If the guy was a fundie, then that is even more reason to realize that > saying that they went by the "Hebrew Bible" (lol) is a crock. >

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
inal Message- > From: G Money [mailto:gm0n3...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:53 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten > commandments > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
n law should be based on the ten commandments BTW ... not On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Um...no  It's called the Torah BTW...not the Hebrew Bible. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Ant

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
BJ day? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox like the "National Day of Service Towards Another"...that way, something actually happens and we get to see some tangible results. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Antholo

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Medic
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Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Kris Sisk
>Where it is a bad idea Kris, is that it sends a message that other religions >are not welcome here. Also, unless they have multiple prayers or rotate >chaplains from different religions, it is discriminating. When a prayer is >allowed, 9 times out of 10 it is going to be a Christian prayer. No

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Kris Sisk
> Says they guy called a fundy :) > By some definitions I am a fundamentalist. I don't deny it. I spend a good deal of time studying the Bible in three different languages (with the help of a good language reference since I only actually know one of those languages) and try my best to live wha

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
s American law should be based on the ten commandments Says they guy called a fundy :) I actually did and we debated it here. The common theme was they weren't Christian because they opposed a lot of the new testament.. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > >> They m

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Zaphod Beeblebrox
we should all just throw out the National Day of Prayer and replace it with something like the "National Day of Service Towards Another"...that way, something actually happens and we get to see some tangible results. On May 11, 2010, at 11:33 AM, morgan l wrote: > > I don't even care if you

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
What approval? Go out and pray if you want is endorsing what religion? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Larry C. Lyons wrote: > > Implicit approval of a particular religious viewpoint is the problem. > There is a difference for instance between someone in authority giving > a prayer to a partic

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
American law should be based on the ten commandments That's the kind of religious intolerance she was complaining about. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Eric Roberts wrote: > street and kneel down and pray...no problem...just don't do it in a > gov

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 10:53 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten > commandments > > > On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Sam wrote: > >> >> She correctly said it was and is until recently. She said we shou

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
BTW ... not On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Eric Roberts wrote: > > Um...no  It's called the Torah BTW...not the Hebrew Bible. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Implicit approval of a particular religious viewpoint is the problem. There is a difference for instance between someone in authority giving a prayer to a particular deity and someone not in authority. The person in authority giving the prayer essentially says this is the official viewpoint. That

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
Says they guy called a fundy :) I actually did and we debated it here. The common theme was they weren't Christian because they opposed a lot of the new testament.. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Kris Sisk wrote: > >> They mainly went by the Hebrew Bible because many had issues with the >>

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread morgan l
I don't even care if you do it in a government building, so long as you're not blocking the way or being loud and disturbing other people. Just don't ask the government to set aside a time and place for you. It's not the place of the government to endorse such things. On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:2

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
Now you understand our frustration him and his ilk... -Original Message- From: Kris Sisk [mailto:ks...@gckschools.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:13 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments > They mainly went by

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
Um...no It's called the Torah BTW...not the Hebrew Bible. -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:18 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments They mainly went b

Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Sam
National Day of Prayer has nothing to do with schools. What did they make you do? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM, G Money wrote: >> >> That's why you're angry, you misunderstood the entire thing. >> > > Then explain it to me. > > If we advocate organized prayer in public schools.then

RE: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten commandments

2010-05-11 Thread Eric Roberts
At least you have good taste in music *grin* So I guess you have at least one redeeming quality :-D -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:15 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Sarah Palin says American law should be based on the ten

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