Same thought comes to my mind whenever you make a post :)
On 7/29/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > I think only the simple minded would follow your logic.
>
> But only someone simple would not be laughing his ass off at the
> neanderthalic concept of "us" vs. "them" being presented seriou
> Sam wrote:
> I think only the simple minded would follow your logic.
But only someone simple would not be laughing his ass off at the
neanderthalic concept of "us" vs. "them" being presented seriously.
Therefore the listener is either listening solely for comedy or is
simple. Or stupid.
~
I think only the simple minded would follow your logic. Anyone with a
clue knows he's not saying this is the only possibility, yet you claim
that's your beef with Rush, that he doesn't explain the obvious. Maybe
you shouldn't assume his listeners are simple but flip it around and
look at just a han
> Kevin wrote:
> Mostly it was an entertaining little personal foray back into sentential
> logic.
>
I enjoyed the foray, but especially the irony.
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The point is that the obvious conclusion may be right, but it isn't
the only one that can also be logically valid and factually correct.
But the quote panders to the simple minded who ONLY draw the obvious
conclusion.
What's funny is that Sam made the accusation that I was interpreting
it as black
they are all valid permutations. But it's an argument by analogy. So
according to you, the idea that, hmm, I learned x pretty easily and
Time over there learned x pretty easily therefore you should be able
to learn x pretty easily is invalid because I don't consider whether
Sam had trouble learnin
I kept the possibilities just to the scope of variables given. They
were all valid permutations.
On 7/28/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I suppose, but if we take your argument a step further all induction
> would be invalid because it does not explicitly deny all other
> possibilities
>
On 7/28/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By the way, The Trees by Rush is a terrificly lyrical little song about the
> evils of Socialism (among other "isms"):
Peart was a big fan of Rand.
On a tangent: I was flipping stations in the car the other day and
heard a song that had a bit that sounde
> Sam wrote:
> I could just picture Jim Leher telling viewers why Gonzalaz wasn't
> chosen for the Supreme Court :)
>
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I could just picture Jim Leher telling viewers why Gonzalaz wasn't
chosen for the Supreme Court :)
On 7/28/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> I've never listened to any show on Air America mostly because I get my
> news elsewhere. If you want good news: The News Hour. Good analysis:
> Shields & Brooks,
I actually think Tucker took John Stewart's comments to heart.
He IS less of a "cheney" on this show. And the segment with that guy
at the end standing up is always, always funny.
On 7/28/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > Fair enough, but from my side you sound like you
> Sam wrote:
> Fair enough, but from my side you sound like you work for Al Franken.
> Most of what you post looks like something Air America brainwashed you
> into believing, but I tried to keep that unflattering thought to
> myself :) You know because the brilliant don't always throw stones
>
I
Fair enough, but from my side you sound like you work for Al Franken.
Most of what you post looks like something Air America brainwashed you
into believing, but I tried to keep that unflattering thought to
myself :) You know because the brilliant don't always throw stones
On 7/28/05, Gruss Gott w
That's why I own an iPod, and pick my own music. No payola in my little system.
On 7/28/05, SStewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's why I've always listened to 98Rock out of Baltimore... or WAVA when it
> was AOR Rock.
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> Sam wrote:
> You can be such an ass at times :)
>
That's true.
I used to listen to Limbaugh in the late 80s and early 90s but then he
started getting creepy. His show became less a unique source of
information and more of a brainwashing research case.
Finally I couldn't take it anymore, so I
You can be such an ass at times :)
On 7/28/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> It's a classic brainwashing technique.
>
> Tell gullible, insecure people that they're smart and part of an elite
> group. In Limbaugh's case he implies that to continue to be part of
> the group you have to keep listening to
not logical doesn't mean "useless."
Not logical doesn't mean "false"
"the sky is blue" is (sometimes) true but logic doesn't enter into it
until you say things like "the sky is blue and so is Rush Limbagh,
therefore Rush Limbaugh is the sky."
Dana
On 7/28/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So
> Sam wrote:
> This is not one of the laws of Rush, it's a comment he made during a
> show, probably to a caller.
>
It's a classic brainwashing technique.
Tell gullible, insecure people that they're smart and part of an elite
group. In Limbaugh's case he implies that to continue to be part of
So you're saying unless a statement can be proven to be correct for
every possibility it's useless?
Damn, I'll try not to say such illogical things like "the sky is blue"
from now on.
On 7/28/05, Dana wrote:
> the laws of Rush? I'm afraid to ask.
>
> All I am saying is that the logic does not
I suppose, but if we take your argument a step further all induction
would be invalid because it does not explicitly deny all other
possibilities
Dana
On 7/28/05, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's a possibility because it's not explicitly excluded.
>
> We're given
> a = mediocre
It's a possibility because it's not explicitly excluded.
We're given
a = mediocre
b = brilliant
c = stone thrower
d = stone target
>From the sentence we do know that:
a = c
b = d
But nothing in the sentence says that:
b != c
a != d
c != d
Therefore we're open to the possibilities of:
b = c
a =
;
> "Many thousands of years ago, a blue faced Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
> carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
>
> the Scottish Rogues
>
>
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> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2
the laws of Rush? I'm afraid to ask.
All I am saying is that the logic does not hold up. (Though I disagree
with Kevin on how). This has nothing to do with the truth of the
major premise.
For example, if he had said that, all Rush listeners are brilliant,
therefor Sam is brilliant, that woul
blue faced Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
> carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
>
> the Scottish Rogues
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 04:03 pm
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re:
It is definitely from freewill.
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> To: CF-Community
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>
> not according to the songfacts link. It could be
faced Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
the Scottish Rogues
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To: CF-Community
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And I'm saying why does it have to be absolute. You can basically
shoot holes in most quotes if you try to apply them as a law.
This is not one of the laws of Rush, it's a comment he made during a
show, probably to a caller.
On 7/28/05, Dana wrote:
> but... that's his argument, Sam.
>
> Dana
~~~
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> Rush, The Trees
>
> On 7/28/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot
By the way, The Trees by Rush is a terrificly lyrical little song about the
evils of Socialism (among other "isms"):
"And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, axe, and saw"
> Rush, The Trees
>
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rcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
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Rush, The Trees
On 7/28/05, Larry C. Lyo
Rush, The Trees
On 7/28/05, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And here I was trying to figure out when Bob and Doug MacKenzie said
> something like that. It sounds too profound for a couple of hosers eh.
>
> larry
>
> On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "If you choo
but... that's his argument, Sam.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why do you think in absolutes?
> If he said the brilliant NEVER threw stones at the mediocre then just
> one brillaint person could make it invalid.
>
> To assume you're brillaint just because stones are thrown at
how do you get the brilliant can throw stones from this quote?
You can't diagram it.
mediocre stone throwers (a) != brilliant stone dodgers (b)
liberals (L) throw stones at Rush (R)
ergo liberals are mediocre and Rush is brilliant.
Of course, this is an argument by analogy and can be re
Why do you think in absolutes?
If he said the brilliant NEVER threw stones at the mediocre then just
one brillaint person could make it invalid.
To assume you're brillaint just because stones are thrown at you is
mediocre thinking.
On 7/28/05, Kevin Graeme wrote:
> The problem with the quote is t
take off eh.
hoser.
(pulls his touque over his ears and slinks off, looking for a Molsens Eh!).
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know, Bob and Doug are pretty profound :)
>
> "On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me ... a beer in a
> tree..."
>
> "
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> >
> > nonono you have it regardless. Nelson Mandela could always have said I
> > recant, you're right, I'll go out to my tribal
I never like his brand of logic either. I always thought the target of
the thrown stones (sounds like either a 60's or a retro punk group),
were the village idiots.
I would have loved to see him take a semester from the prof who taught
logic. In fact I'd pay to be there and bring popcorn. At least
> Kevin wrote:
> To reach the implied conclusion "you are brilliant and they are
> mediocre", the sentence would have to read "only the brilliant have
> stones thrown at them and only the mediocre throw stones." With his
> quote as stands, it's entirely possible that the brilliant throw
> stones a
The problem with the quote is that the unstated implication doesn't
follow logically.
It makes the implication that if stone's are thrown, then you are
brilliant. But it doesn't say that. It actually says that if you are
having stones thrown at you that you _may_ be brilliant and the people
throwi
How can you not read this line and burst out laughing, drawing the
curious stares of your office mates?
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "I am your father, Luke. Give in to the dark side of the force, you knob."
> Sam wrote:
> I see, only someone that's served can be Commander in Chief. Do they
> have to face battle to qualify?
You're pretty hyperbolic there, sport.
No, what it means is that while you can be Commander-in-Chief, if
you're looking to invade a country without provocation you'd better
check
I don't know, Bob and Doug are pretty profound :)
"On the first day of Christmas my true love gave to me ... a beer in a tree..."
"I was the last one left after the nuclear holocaust, eh. The whole world had
been destroyed, like U.S. blew up Russia and Russia blew up U.S. Fortunately, I
had bee
I don't think he wrote all of them, though he may have been the chief lyric
writer for a good period. Peart is generally credited with providing the
"sci-fi" feel to the bandwhich spawned such albums as 2112, Hemispheres,
and Signals, among others.
he's also the most talented and impressive
Neil Pert wrote the lyrics, yes. I just put Geddy there cause he sang it :)
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:47 PM, Sam scribed: ---
>
> I though Pert wrote all the lyrics?
>
> On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin wrote:
>> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
>>
>> Geddy Lee
>> Fre
"If lib(ertarians) pick a fight with you, remember, the mediocre
always throws stones at the brilliant. Be confident. Be cool."
:)
On 7/28/05, Gruss Gott wrote:
> > Jerry wrote:
> > Except in case such as brainwashing.
> >
>
> So you're saying that Limbaugh is denying all of his listeners libert
I though Pert wrote all the lyrics?
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin wrote:
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
>
> Geddy Lee
> Freewill
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And here I was trying to figure out when Bob and Doug MacKenzie said
something like that. It sounds too profound for a couple of hosers eh.
larry
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
>
> Geddy Lee
> Freewill
>
> --- O
I see, only someone that's served can be Commander in Chief. Do they
have to face battle to qualify?
So from now when someone asks me about the war my answer should be I'm
not qualified to have an opinion. Which basically means everyone that
hasn't served should be anti-war? How convenient.
This r
I think Gruss was implying that Rush was brainwashing his loyal audience :)
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:37 PM, Jerry Johnson scribed: ---
>
> Nope, free will.
>
> On 7/28/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Jerry wrote:
>>> Except in case such as brainwashing.
>>>
>>
>> So you're
Nope, free will.
On 7/28/05, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Jerry wrote:
> > Except in case such as brainwashing.
> >
>
> So you're saying that Limbaugh is denying all of his listeners liberty?
>
>
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> Jerry wrote:
> Except in case such as brainwashing.
>
So you're saying that Limbaugh is denying all of his listeners liberty?
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No, he was not prevented from exercising free will - he was prevented from
being free...big difference.
Howie
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:29 PM, Dana scribed: ---
>
> I stand corrected. He was prevented from *exercising* his free will in
> these matters.
> But refusing to give in even thoug
Sowhat would be the difference again?
On 7/28/05, Loathe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You just can't vote. That's the only difference. You have no say in
> government.
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I stand corrected. He was prevented from *exercising* his free will in
these matters.
But refusing to give in even though incarcerated is an act of free will.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not true - you always have free will. Just because Mandella could not select
Except in case such as brainwashing.
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not true - you always have free will. Just because Mandella could not select
> breakfast does not mean he did not have free will. A human being always has
> free will.
~~
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>
> nonono you have it regardless. Nelson Mandela could always have said I
> recant, you're right, I'll go out to my tribal area and shut my
> mouth now he certainly did not have free will to write a book or
> decide what
Anything that a human being decides as far as their actions or thought go is
free will. Free will is irrespective of your situation. To use your Mandella
example:
If he were given a breakfast menu then he could select eggs or pancakes - this
is free will. He had the opportunity to choose.
S
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
> -Original Message-
> From: Dana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:13 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
>
> stand by for dana to go all exis
Not true - you always have free will. Just because Mandella could not select
breakfast does not mean he did not have free will. A human being always has
free will.
Howie
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:17 PM, Dana scribed: ---
>
> nonono you have it regardless. Nelson Mandela could always ha
abdication is a choice.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No. This was settled in the early eighties by philosophers from the
> great White North.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
>
>
>
> On 7/28/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
Dammit - you beat me to it!
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:17 PM, Jerry Johnson scribed: ---
>
> No. This was settled in the early eighties by philosophers from the
> great White North.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
>
>
>
> On 7/28/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTEC
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
Geddy Lee
Freewill
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 2:13 PM, Dana scribed: ---
>
> stand by for dana to go all existentialist on you. If you have free
> will, but and could act on it but don't, haven't you abdicated it?
>
> On 7/28/05, H
> Sam wrote:
> That's like saying since I can rebuild an engine I could be CEO of GM.
>
Ah, what? I have no idea what that means.
My point is, somebody that's not been to war cannot fully understand
that risks of going to war. If you underestimate the risks then you
end up with more than you
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> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:35 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
> >
> > if it's coercive I see your point. But what if they choose how to serve?
> >
> > Dana
> >
>
>
>
~~
July 28, 2005 1:41 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
> >
> > well, you can live in a totalitarian society and possess free will.
> > But you'll be miserable.
> >
> > Dana
> >
>
>
>
>
~~
No. This was settled in the early eighties by philosophers from the
great White North.
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."
On 7/28/05, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> stand by for dana to go all existentialist on you. If you have free
> will, but and could act on it b
stand by for dana to go all existentialist on you. If you have free
will, but and could act on it but don't, haven't you abdicated it?
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Huh? That's not true...it can be but oft times is not. Free will simply
> means that you have higher-level
re going to put everybody.
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>
> if it's coercive I see your point. But wh
I think that in order for free will to be real you must be able to act on
it.
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> To: CF-Community
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>
> we
Don't flaunt your ignorance.
That's like saying since I can rebuild an engine I could be CEO of GM.
I'm not talking about battle tactics I'm supporting our country's
position. I believe the bulk of the military supported the war, maybe
not the execution or the follow up but the need.
On 7/28/05,
Huh? That's not true...it can be but oft times is not. Free will simply means
that you have higher-level thought processes that allow you to think and act
beyond instinct. What you choose to do with your free will is a whole other
thing.
Howie
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 1:37 PM, Dana sc
28, 2005 1:31 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
>
> Even if locked in a cell for 20 years, I'd rather have free will than
> not. Ask Mandela if he would agree (he has said he does).
>
> Free will is not something that can be taken
Even allowing for the fact that there's classified stuff we can't know
about, I'd say yes. I mean, they aren't going to declassify the bad
stuff and classify the stuff about the benefits. So if anything the
stuff we don't know is probably worse.
Dana
On 7/28/05, G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So.
you're going to make me agree with Rush Limbaugh aren't you. I hate
you sometimes. Of course, he had to throw uncalled-for stones along
the way, but he has the right idea, actually... small minds mock what
they do not understand.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "If libs pick a f
oh I think it is a *right*, it just is not respected everywhere.
Nelson Mandela *always* had a right to be free, but it didn't keep him
from spending twenty years in jail.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Jerry Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Even if locked in a cell for 20 years, I'd rather have free will
> Sam wrote:
> I don't scream for war, I support the country's decision to got to war.
But don't you feel that your support is from an ignorant position?
Don't you think you should defer to people who have been to war?
That's the key mistake - Mr. Bush listened to those that had never been to wa
well, you can live in a totalitarian society and possess free will.
But you'll be miserable.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What good is one without the other?
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free will implies responsibility.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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I think everyone has an opinion on how their tax dollars are spent.
Obviously if we are talking about war tactics, someone who has served
in the arena in question knows more than someone who hsn't.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't think Sam (or anyone on this lis
A bit long in my opinion, but I could see it. I've been a VISTA
volunteer. I do think giving back in some way is important, helps
reinforce that the country is not an indulgent parent who will enable
you, but a group effort.
Dana
On 7/28/05, Matthew Small <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So that's yo
Even if locked in a cell for 20 years, I'd rather have free will than
not. Ask Mandela if he would agree (he has said he does).
Free will is not something that can be taken (easily). It is something
that can be given up, though, which is a shame. That is the major
problem I have with many organize
not only providing for these
> rights, but to ensure that they are given to all people.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 9:46 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: RE: Why CIA Perma
I don't scream for war, I support the country's decision to got to war.
And I did go to the recruiting office to volunteer but I didn't want
to serve four years, just a couple of months. So I'm not chicken, just
selfish.
If there was a war while I was in my 20's I would have gone. Grenada
was not
Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
the Scottish Rogues
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So
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"Many thousands of years ago, a blue faced Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
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sday, July 28, 2005 12:53 PM
> To: CF-Community
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>
> It doesn't matter if you consider God = Creator. What TJ is saying is that
> our right to Liberty flows from the very act of creation. All men are born
> free by the very
Sois the CIA permanently hurt by the Plame leak?
>> Anyone else?
>
> First I don't agree that manadatory service is a good idea... but
>
> Me +1 for having served in military and government
>
> Army until medical discharge
> Civil service until better job came along
> State employee for a
"If libs pick a fight with you, remember, the mediocre always throws
stones at the brilliant. Be confident. Be cool." - Rush Limbaugh
On 7/28/05, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
> Given that Sam is a classic chickenhawk, its really doubtful that
> he'll ever attempt to serve. Yet at the same he'll be froth
Man cannot withhold liberty with out due process.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:25 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
>
> First, a moment of quibbling.
> Anyone else?
First I don't agree that manadatory service is a good idea... but
Me +1 for having served in military and government
Army until medical discharge
Civil service until better job came along
State employee for a short time (again, until another job came along)
:-\
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will
"If my
What good is one without the other?
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> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:30 PM
> To: CF-Community
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>
> I disagree.
>
> Free will is the abi
>
> "Many thousands of years ago, a blue faced Pict stepped on a bloated sheep
> carcass... and thus the Pipes were born"
>
> the Scottish Rogues
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> -Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July
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-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:25 pm
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
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First, a moment of quibbling.
God NEQ Creator. Even (or especially) to Jefferson.
Second, no.
I disagree.
Free will is the ability of Man to make his own decisions (for good OR
bad) without the interference from others (including God).
Liberty is the ability to carry out actions based on free will.
On 7/28/05, Nick McClure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The concept of liberty is the same
>> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:07 PM
>> To: CF-Community
>> Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
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>> Liberty is not really God-given as the concept of liberty is man-made.
>> God gave us free will...
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>> ---
> Brian wrote:
> Thomas Jefferson might disagree with you:
>
> "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
> that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain inalienable rights, that
> among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"
>
He said "creator
First, a moment of quibbling.
God NEQ Creator. Even (or especially) to Jefferson.
Second, no. Liberty is not a God-given right. It is a Man-given right
(or can be withheld by man, which is more often the case). I don't see
God very involved in the whole liberty thing. (Life and the Pursuit of
Hap
The concept of liberty is the same as free will.
> -Original Message-
> From: Howie Hamlin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 12:07 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Leak
>
> Liberty is not really God-gi
Liberty is not really God-given as the concept of liberty is man-made. God
gave us free will...
--- On Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:44 AM, Nick McClure scribed: ---
>
> Liberty is not a god given right?
>
> Our Government is founded on the principle that it is.
>
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Liberty is not a god given right?
Our Government is founded on the principle that it is.
> -Original Message-
> From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 11:35 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Why CIA Permantly Hurt By Plame Lea
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