> On another subject: while I support our Armed forces, and
> their dedication to their duty, the administration is really
> dealing them a bad deal with how they are being used for
> political purposes. Fighting an aggressive war is not what I
> would consider an appropriate use of reserves.
That is a completely erroneous stretch.
To suggest criminal responsibility for anyone other than the actual criminals
themselves (perpetrators) is ludicrous.
What would be criminally responsible would be for the US to kidnap one elected
leader of a country and forcibly depose him to further their
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> To: CF-Community
> Subject: RE: Rwandan Genocides
>
>
> And that is precisely why one interpretation of aiding and
> abetting the genocides by action/inaction with full knowledge
> of the consequences, is considered Criminally Responsible.
> Vetoing bills th
And that is precisely why one interpretation of aiding and abetting the
genocides by action/inaction with full knowledge of the consequences, is
considered Criminally Responsible.
Vetoing bills that would have increased the number and authority of UN
forces in Rwanda makes one criminally responsibl
country's indifference and France's collusion, 800,000 people died.
larry
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 4:31 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
>
>
>
"Who killed Davey Moore? Why and what's the reeeaason for?"
-Original Message-
From: Doug White
Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
No it isn't, but it must be killed anyway. :-)
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No it isn't, but it must be killed anyway. :-)
- Original Message -
From: Kevin Graeme
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
- Original Message -
From: "Doug White"
> Not at all, perhaps crimin
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 9:00 AM
Subject: RE: Rwandan Genocides
Actually the French were in Rwanda at the time. The role they played was
almost criminal. More on that shortly.
The UN was already in Rwanda, there were UN Peace Keepers from Poland,
Canada, and
I knew there was a reason I hated that big yellow f%&# as a kid. ;-)
-Original Message-
From: Jerry Johnson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 10:27 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Rwandan Genocides
Well, it seems that the A.D.D. may have been caused by too
owner.
-Original Message-
From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 10:16 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
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From: "Doug White"
> Not at all, perhaps criminally negligent but not responsible -
lled George Washington elementary, but
was renamed because g.w. was a slave owner.
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From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 10:16 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
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From: "Doug Whit
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From: "Doug White"
> Not at all, perhaps criminally negligent but not responsible - the
perpetrator
> is the one criminally responsible. By any logical measure.
Hypothetical:
Let's say someone has a tiger in a cage. That person doesn't feed it and
pokes and prods t
that tried to stop the massacre.
larry
> -Original Message-
> From: Doug White [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:50 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
>
>
> That would be like substituting a misdemeanor for a felo
From: John Stanley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: April 7, 2004 8:50 AM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Rwandan Genocides
>>Now tell me that it isn't hypocritical of the US to not go into Rwanda,
>>and to openly state that 800,000 people being murdered is of no
>.consequence t
?
Rwanda's neighbors? Any carribean nation? The fact is did "anybody" help
them? Nobody cared enough to help, and now everyone looks like asses because
of it.
-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 10:22 PM
To: CF-Commu
new thinking sweeping the world that people cant take
responsibility for their own actions any more. It's always someone elses
fault.
-Original Message-
From: Angel Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:04 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: Rwandan Genocides
Wel
Clinton said he regrets for not going into rwanda, but did not apologize.
- Original Message -
From: Angel Stewart
To: CF-Community
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: RE: Rwandan Genocides
Cool.
And it wasn't only the US at fault. It was the entire sec
Cool.
And it wasn't only the US at fault. It was the entire security council.
I picked the US because of the Iraq situation and the recent statements
on the list that a large part of the reason was Morality.
I thought it hypocritical because it was basically saying one thing, and
doing (or not doi
That would be like substituting a misdemeanor for a felony.
Had we not gone into Iraq, what would have happened to Vice-President Cheney's
"shadow government?" How would Halliburton make all that money? and ad
infinitum. Why didn't we go into Saudi Arabia, or Syria the REAL sources of the
terro
Fair Enough.
So substitute "Criminally Negligent" for "Criminally responsible".
Now tell me that it isn't hypocritical of the US to not go into Rwanda,
and to openly state that 800,000 people being murdered is of no
consequence to the US because Rwanda has no strategic value to the US,
but charg
Not at all, perhaps criminally negligent but not responsible - the perpetrator
is the one criminally responsible. By any logical measure.
Actually a better analogy would be, what if you had the power AND the
authority to prevent the act.
Would it not be understandable for the victim's famil
Actually a better analogy would be, what if you had the power AND the
authority to prevent the act.
Would it not be understandable for the victim's family and relatives to
term you as 'Criminally Responsible'.
-Gel
-Original Message-
From: brobborb
>>While we should have helped, at
>
> If you look on as a woman is raped and beaten, and you have
> the power and authority to prevent it...
> does that make you in some way responsible?
>
> 'criminally responsible' in this article was clearly
> emotional rather than a factual statement. By international
> law the US/UN was
unity
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
What a bunch of BS - Why in the world doesn't the finger point where it
belongs,
that is to the criminals in Ruwanda that are doing the genocide?
I get so sick and tired of the "God made me
> >>While we should have helped, at the end of the day, only those who
> >>commit
> the murder are responsible for it.
>
>
> Hmm i dunno. What if I saw your daughter/wife being
> kidnapped and about to get shot, but I just went about my
> way. Ya know, not my problem, dont want to get
> in
6, 2004 5:56 PM
To: CF-Community
Subject: RE: Rwandan Genocides
While we should have helped, at the end of the day, only those who
commit
the murder are responsible for it.
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Yes, i should have helped, and yes, at the end of the day, only those who committ the murder are responsible. But, how would you feel about me??
- Original Message -
From: Raymond Camden
To: CF-Community
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: RE: Rwandan Genocides
>
I think we are screwed regardless of what we do or don't do.
I don't know enough about it to decide if I approve, if I believe, or if I care.
He wasn't a very nice guy.
He had a LOT of people killed.
Regardless of how he left, he got off easy.
Jerry Johnson
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/06/04 04:5
> Speaking of Haiti...
>
> what do you think about the accusations that US Special
> forces abducted Aristide and removed him from power, because
> the US decided it was the best course of action?
>
Actually I heard the A-Team did it.
Seriously though - people will accuse the US of just about
> What does that have to do with the question of why the UN
> Security council, or the united states failed to act against
> something which was beyond a doubt 'morally reprehensible' ?
>
While we should have helped, at the end of the day, only those who commit
the murder are responsible for it.
Speaking of Haiti...
what do you think about the accusations that US Special forces abducted
Aristide and removed him from power, because the US decided it was the
best course of action?
Bear in mind that Aristide was at the time considered to be the duly
elected leader of Haiti after a democ
What does that have to do with the question of why the UN Security
council, or the united states failed to act against something which was
beyond a doubt 'morally reprehensible' ?
No one is saying that the UN/US was responsible for the killings, the
question is simply why did they not move to st
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:04 PM
Subject: Rwandan Genocides
Well. If it was anywhere that was 'morally' correct to invade, protect,
and do some nation building it was here.
But of course, no oil. No strategic importance. no assistance.
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It's the fact that we could have gone in and help. Instead we just looked away.
- Original Message -
From: Doug White
To: CF-Community
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: Rwandan Genocides
What a bunch of BS - Why in the world doesn't the finger p
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 3:04 PM
Subject: Rwandan Genocides
Well. If it was anywhere that was 'morally' correct to invade, protect,
and do some nation building it was here.
But of course, no oil. No strategic importance. no assistance.
HYPERLINK
"http://www.
Subject: Rwandan Genocides
Well. If it was anywhere that was 'morally' correct to invade, protect,
and do some nation building it was here.
But of course, no oil. No strategic importance. no assistance.
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Well. If it was anywhere that was 'morally' correct to invade, protect,
and do some nation building it was here.
But of course, no oil. No strategic importance. no assistance.
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