; From: John Galt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:14 AM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Scott adams - those crazier-than-I-think terrorists
> >
> > Turkey, hands down, will not allow the formation of a Kurdish
> state. They
> > have
: John Galt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 11:14 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Scott adams - those crazier-than-I-think terrorists
>
> Turkey, hands down, will not allow the formation of a Kurdish state. They
> have too many internal problems f
you and Nick may be right about that.
>Turkey, hands down, will not allow the formation of a Kurdish state. They
>have too many internal problems from Kurds, and wouldn't allow it.
>
>It's the most likely reason that they wouldn't allow us to use our bases
>there during the initial invasion of I
>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Dana Tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:44 PM
> > To: CF-Community
> > Subject: Re: Scott adams - those crazier-than-I-think terrorists
> >
> > reminds me of lessons learned as
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 4:44 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Scott adams - those crazier-than-I-think terrorists
>
> reminds me of lessons learned as a community organizer -- the problem
> won't stay solved unless you are solving the right probl
It isn't looking good, but I think there is still a shot. It all hinges on
the Sunnis and Shiites reigning in the death squads and agreeing to fight
with words rather than guns and bombs. I hate to use the term civil war to
describe what is going on right now, because it doesn't seem to fit the
con
> RoMunn wrote:
> Dude, where have you been for the last thirty years? GM should have gone
> bankrupt years ago, but they are still fighting on.
LOL, touche, my surfer friend.
> As for getting our money back, if Iraqi democracy becomes the tipping point
> that creates a free Middle East, it wil h
On 5/23/06, Gruss wrote:
>
>
> There are those that view the current strategy as a "success" and I
> can see why they believe that. And I also think there's a small
> chance their strategy will work. It's not totally flawed.
The strategy is actually pretty good. What was a complete cluster fud
reminds me of lessons learned as a community organizer -- the problem won't
stay solved unless you are solving the right problem. And the right problem is
not the one you want to solve, it's the one the community wants to solve. Is
there any particular reason for instance that Iraq needs to be o
> Dana wrote:
> I am not sure how to do #2 either but it seems like the only option to me. We
> are currently doing #1 and as predicted it seems to be producing an
> ever-escalating spiral of more of the same.
I think the key in your statement is "we". If the majority of Iraqis
were agreed that
I am not sure how to do #2 either but it seems like the only option to me. We
are currently doing #1 and as predicted it seems to be producing an
ever-escalating spiral of more of the same.
>It seems to me the answer is either:
>1) Capture and kill ALL of these extremists (probably impossible)
> It seems to me the answer is either:
> 1) Capture and kill ALL of these extremists (probably impossible) or
> 2) Convince them that their present course is NOT in their best interest
>
> I think 2 is the only viable option, but it is not an easy one...and i'm not
> sure how you go about doing it
I understand the Reconstruction argument, but I'm not sure how apt it is.
Don't you think we could "forgive" the extremists tomorrow, and they'd
continue killing Iraqi civilians anyway? They aren't after our forgiveness,
and they aren't even targetting us anymore.
How would you suggest convincing
+1, though I don't think you need to be an extremist to lose friends and family
members in Iraq right now.
> I think you are 50% correct when you say that in order for the Germans
> to be our ally we had to get rid of Hitler. The reason Hitler was able
> to come to power was because after Wor
Finesomeone who thinks this plan is working is not necessarily a
religious fundamentalist or an ignoramus.they've just taken the facts
for this particular situation and drawn the wrong conclusion.
On 5/23/06, Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought G Money was new.
>
> I'm sorry, let
I think you are 50% correct when you say that in order for the Germans to be
our ally we had to get rid of Hitler. The reason Hitler was able to come to
power was because after World War I we sunk Germany into just about complete
poverty. We made them made make huge repirations to the other coun
> gMoney wrote:
> As for the kool-aid commentHUH? I thought my conjecture was pretty
> original. I've certainly never heard it posited before. If you disagree with
> it, finebut it's certainly not regurgitated rhetoric.
>
Yeah, don't attribute his crap to me! J/k - I'm in full agreeme
I thought G Money was new.
I'm sorry, let me re-state my point in a nicer way.
Can you please not call people that thinks this plan is working
religious fundamentalists, ignorant or both?
Thanks,
sam
On 5/23/06, G Money wrote:
> I've been G since the get-go.moved my subscriber email address
I've been G since the get-go.moved my subscriber email address out to
GMail because the spam was getting overwhelming on my primary account.
As for the kool-aid commentHUH? I thought my conjecture was pretty
original. I've certainly never heard it posited before. If you disagree with
i
On 5/23/06, G Money wrote:
> On 5/22/06, Gruss Gotwrote:
> There are two situations where people simply refuse to acknowledge the
> "facts" as their senses perceive them, and instead choose to believe what
> they want. One situation involves a higher power, and is called "faith", the
> other situa
On 5/23/06, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> So I find this interesting because I had said that one of the tenants
> of Neo-conservatism was democratic imperialism, which is exactly what
> you just described, but what you told me earlier was "my fantasy".
Actually I said" "So if the individual nations..."
Li
On 5/22/06, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Gel wrote:
> > http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/
> >
>
> Fan-fecking-tastic! Oh, how I wish we had this type of reasoned
> leadership in the Whitehouse. Instead what we're stuck with is a
> strategy that's never worked, but the originators can
> Sam wrote:
> So if the individual nations get rid of the corrupt
> tyrants and let people prosper, the radicals teaching hate will lose
> their audience and we'll all get along.
>
So I find this interesting because I had said that one of the tenants
of Neo-conservatism was democratic imperialism
It has to do with the leadership, remove Hitler and Germans become our
allies. As proof look at the Muslims in America, they don't hate us
and they aren't terrorists. Sure we have a few crazy Imans trying to
spread hate but it's not taking. It's hard to convince people they're
oppressed by an evil
> Gel wrote:
> http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/
>
Fan-fecking-tastic! Oh, how I wish we had this type of reasoned
leadership in the Whitehouse. Instead what we're stuck with is a
strategy that's never worked, but the originators can't abandon it
because of their poorly developed leadership skills
*chuckle*
http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/
[I was surprised at how many of you believe that nothing the United
States does in terms of foreign policy would make any difference to
the average non-terrorist Muslim that is supporting the terrorists.
You believe that their objections to U.S. foreign po
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