RE: This is just wrong, and heartless.

Doesn't matter...none... -Original Message- From: Jerry Barnes [mailto:critic...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 8:28 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: This is just wrong, and heartless. "But how many kids died in a mass stabbing at a school last year?" In the

Re: This is just wrong, and heartless.

"My guess is that as a percentage among gun owners, it's a lot higher among men than women." I'd guess that it depends on the demographics of the women. That single women are more likely to be strapping than married women who are more likely to be strapping than married women with children. "I

Re: This is just wrong, and heartless.

> Probably right on the percentages. Twenty-three percent is not > insignificant though. That's 23 out of every 100 who can pop a cap in some > dude's ass in the line of defense. Much better than 0 out of every 100. I'd be curious to know how many gun owners actually carry them around most of

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or from prescription drugs? On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Justin Scott wrote: > > > But how many kids died in a mass stabbing at a school last year? > > How many died in auto accidents? > > > -Justin > > ~| Order the Adob

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While looking at the wiki article on the China Knife attacks, I saw a link to the 2010 Hebei Tractor Rampage. Never heard of this one before. The *Hebei tractor rampage* was a spontaneous mass murder incident in which 17 people were killed in Yuanshi

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Yeah it's actually easier when they shoot first :) On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > " I know I could have, but still." > > It's probably better that you didn't. > > J > > - > > Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. > - Henry Kis

Re: This is just wrong, and heartless.

Same here. Twice I have pulled a pistol on someone but never shot them. The gun was enough to make them run like a bitch. And to be honest, if someone pulled a gun on me, I'd be pretty scared myself if I was unarmed. I have had people come at me with a knife and they regretted it. Knives don't sca

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" I know I could have, but still." It's probably better that you didn't. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. - John Quint

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I've said it before, I've drawn a pistol in self defense twice and never had to fire a shot either time. I know I could have, but still. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:50 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I would maybe put it more like 15%." > > Good point. > > But don't underestimate the deterrent

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"I would maybe put it more like 15%." Good point. But don't underestimate the deterrent effect of a firearm. No need to fire if an incident is prevented. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they se

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This is unfortunately very true. Even cops only hit their targets 15% of the time under stress (remember all the civvies shot by the NYPD last year?). Even the military takes hundreds even thousands of rounds per kill, but that's somewhat different, with crew served weapons and so on. On Mon,

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In my experience, gun ownership <> marksmanship. I would maybe put it more like 15%. =) On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:38 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "Increase, yes. To 23 percent. But what percentage of men own guns? (I > would bet it is near 50%). so a clear majority of gun owners are still m

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"Increase, yes. To 23 percent. But what percentage of men own guns? (I would bet it is near 50%). so a clear majority of gun owners are still men, yes?" Probably right on the percentages. Twenty-three percent is not insignificant though. That's 23 out of every 100 who can pop a cap in some dude

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"I've seen it myself, way more vocal female advocates showing up at protests and stuff too." Good. I hope minorities start speaking up for gun rights as well. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when the

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Increase, yes. To 23 percent. But what percentage of men own guns? (I would bet it is near 50%). so a clear majority of gun owners are still men, yes? On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I have no data at hand, but my observations tell me that far more men than > women

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"(afaik, none of the kids in the China attack died)" >From the wiki: School attacks in China (2010¨C12) March 2010 Main article: Nanping school massacre On March 23, 2010, Zheng Minsheng (֣ÃñÉú)[2] 41, murdered eight children with a knife in an elementary school in Nanping,[3] Fujian p

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I've seen it myself, way more vocal female advocates showing up at protests and stuff too. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I have no data at hand, but my observations tell me that far more men than > women own guns. " > > Rising Voice of Gun Ownership Is Female ( > >

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either? (afaik, none of the kids in the China attack died) On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "But how many kids died in a mass stabbing at a school last year?" > > In the US or China? > > J > > - > > Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputat

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"I have no data at hand, but my observations tell me that far more men than women own guns. " Rising Voice of Gun Ownership Is Female ( http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/us/rising-voice-of-gun-ownership-is-female.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0) In the debate over firearms regulations, the voices of gu

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"But how many kids died in a mass stabbing at a school last year?" In the US or China? J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at the end of the tunnel, go out and buy some more tunnel. -

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But how many kids died in a mass stabbing at a school last year? On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Justin Scott wrote: > > > And those of smaller stature, particularly women, will be more > > vulnerable to those other ways. > > I have no data at hand, but my observations tell me that far more

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> And those of smaller stature, particularly women, will be more > vulnerable to those other ways. I have no data at hand, but my observations tell me that far more men than women own guns. A quick search found one website quoting a Gallup poll stating that "Men are five times more likely than

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"I find it weirdly fascinating that after 1980, the gun curve and the other curve are almost perfect mirrors of each other. (whenever the gun goes up, other goes down, and vice versa)." One thing the chart shows is that as the population has grown, the rate of violence has continued to fall. The

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"They will just find other ways to do it, which the data shows." And those of smaller stature, particularly women, will be more vulnerable to those other ways. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when th

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And that's my point. Just because you take away guns, or in the case of Canada, just make it harder to obtain them legally (I read up on their laws a little while ago), does not mean that people who feel like killing someone else is suddenly going to stop and not do it because they cannot get a gu

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I don't have them in front of me, but you similar increases in both England and Australia as they gain stricter and stricter gun control that ends in bans and seizures. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > > > http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11738/c

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http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11738/c-g/E-11738-c-g-03.gif I find it weirdly fascinating that after 1980, the gun curve and the other curve are almost perfect mirrors of each other. (whenever the gun goes up, other goes down, and vice versa). knife attacks HAVE increased

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look at the chart for various forms of homicide since 1961 in Canada: http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11738/c-g/E-11738-c-g-03.gif http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11738/c-g/desc/desc03-eng.htm: when I run it through SPSS, the homicide rate for knives si

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Yeah, take away the guns and they will use other means to kill. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/12/04/homicides-statistics-canada- 2011.html Seems that Canadians like knives now, and the recent statistics prove it. On 3/25/13 5:55 PM, "Larry C. Lyons" wrote: > >At the same time you n

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> Seriously what will it take? Simple... a constitutional amendment. There are too many very vocal, law abiding citizens carrying firearms who would rather die defending that right than give up their guns for one to be passed any time in the near future. I know a LOT of people who would stake t

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Lets finish it off Jerry On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Jerry Barnes wrote: > > "I put 'new' in quotes because bludgeoning babies to death is the stuff of > cavemen.it's where we are headedback to our beginning." > > Wrong. > > Around 75 years ago, their were lamp shades being made out

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The point being GMoney is that first off the US is not the only place in this world, there are other places that are civilized. The second point was rather obvious. Control firearms and you are more likely to control shit like what you were ranting about. It does happen, just nowhere nearly as fr

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At the same time you need to look at the Canadian firearm related homicide rates (http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/85-002-x/2012001/article/11738-eng.htm). For Canada, there were 158 homicides committed with a firearm in 2011, 13 fewer than the previous year. The 2011 rate of 0.46 firearm homicides p

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I'm not talking about us fading away into deathi'm talking about our own self-inflicted destruction. This is not a passive act. We are a fundamentally flawed specieswe will inevitably destroy ourselves. The dinosaurs needed an asteroid to destroy them...we need no such external force. We'l

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> I hate robocalls, and think they should ALL be banned. I'm with you for surveys, political and marketing calls. Robocall systems for things like opt-in reverse 911 or notifications from schools to parents are a-okay in my book though. -Justin

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"I put 'new' in quotes because bludgeoning babies to death is the stuff of cavemen.it's where we are headedback to our beginning." Wrong. Around 75 years ago, their were lamp shades being made out of human skin. Around 35 years ago, people were executed for wearing glasses. J - Ninet

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Truly, I dont think we are really much different than we were 10 years ago, 50 years ago, 100 years ago. 1000 years ago. The 2 main differences are the tools in the hands of crazy people, and the instant world-wide reporting of tragedies. (crazy != not mentally ill. but "evil") On Mon, Mar 25,

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Naw, we are reproducing plenty fast enough to make up for these (and other) deaths. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:25 PM, GMoney wrote: > > Meanwhile in Georgia, a 13 month old baby was shot between the eyes because > his mom didn't have any money to give some would-be thieves. The murderers? > A

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"I hate robocalls, and think they should ALL be banned." That is all that needs to be said. This would take care of any sensitivity problems. J - Ninety percent of politicians give the other ten percent a bad reputation. - Henry Kissinger Politicians are people who, when they see light at th

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Meanwhile in Georgia, a 13 month old baby was shot between the eyes because his mom didn't have any money to give some would-be thieves. The murderers? A 17 and a 15 year old kid. Newton was just the start. We are a doomed species, destined to eat ourselves. We are devolving, and the "new" depths

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And by not doing so, they PROVE they are the very definition of heartless and insensitive. On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 4:22 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson wrote: > I hate robocalls, and think they should ALL be banned. > > But as that is not the current law, I dont mind them calling other towns > in Connec

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I hate robocalls, and think they should ALL be banned. But as that is not the current law, I dont mind them calling other towns in Connecticut. That to me is fine. But to bombard the households of people related to, friends of, and with kids in the same school as those who were brutally murdered

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One of the first comments on the article reads: "Hey WFSB, can you change the title of this article to "NRA bombards STATE with robocalls" they are not just calling Newtown! Seems like you are purposely trying to make the NRA out to be evil and insensitive." Until Later! C. Hatton Humphrey http

This is just wrong, and heartless.

http://www.wfsb.com/story/21782952/nra-bombards-newtown-residents-with-robo-calls?hpt=us_bn7 NRA robocalls everyone in Newton, multiple times. Putting them out of the "non-profit" category into the "non-human". ~| Order the Ad