On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Larry Lyons wrote:
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> Both of these concepts makes as much logical sense as a bearded old white
> guy in a robe floating on a cloud.
>
No doubt...of courseI don't know of any religion that preaches anything
about any old white guy in a robe floating on a clo
I like the concept of Bertram Russell's Celestial Teapot:
--
If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot
revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to
disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too
small to
And God said, "I will give you truth', and the devil said "I will
organize it and call it religion".
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:53 AM, Jerry Johnson wrote:
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> I think "organized" is very, very generous.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:48 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey
> wrote:
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>>
>> > In an interview r
> Agnostics aren't sure if they've got a clique or not.
ROFL
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On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Dana wrote:
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> if you have determined that the answer is the null set rather than a set of
> two answers, bo
if you have determined that the answer is the null set rather than a set of
two answers, both irrational, then you do know. But I question that ;P
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:18 PM, denstar wrote:
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> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Dana wrote:
> >
> > I don't know and you don't either.
>
> Oh yea
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Dana wrote:
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> I don't know and you don't either.
Oh yeah? How do you know! =)p
I mean, I may *know* that I don't /know/, but that means that, for all
I know, I may actually /know/, ya know?
I know, I know. Not really here nor there. =)
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Be rich to yours
I don't know and you don't either.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:10 PM, denstar wrote:
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> Dude, Justin is right on the mark with this one.
>
> Jimmy D. and I had this discussion a few times, same deal.
>
> Heck, Bill Maher said it pretty good in some interview about his movie
> on religion. The "
Dude, Justin is right on the mark with this one.
Jimmy D. and I had this discussion a few times, same deal.
Heck, Bill Maher said it pretty good in some interview about his movie
on religion. The "logical" standpoint is "I don't freaking know-- not
enough data, blah blah." (logical being a rela
see, now you're getting the hang of it. And then on Monday we can get
together and agree to define the state of California as solvent.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am royal purple then. :)
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Dana w
I am royal purple then. :)
On Aug 1, 2009, at 12:55 PM, Dana wrote:
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> well, I guess you can use the word any way you want. I still think
> you are
> mistaken though. In your honor I am defining myself as purple for
> the rest
> of the weekend. Because purple*always* means "too much to do
well, I guess you can use the word any way you want. I still think you are
mistaken though. In your honor I am defining myself as purple for the rest
of the weekend. Because purple*always* means "too much to do and reading
email instead, right?"
Bad Dana. Bad purple Dana. Get back to work.
On Sa
See Hatton, this whole thread is a testament to the fact that atheism
is not a religion. We're not even organized enough to know what we're
called!
On Jul 31, 2009, at 12:07 PM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
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>> How can believing in *nothing* be a religion?
>
> Atheism != Belief in Nothing.
Justin,
I think the problem between us may be that you're framing this from a
religious standpoint. Like I've said before, I do not know of any
atheist that I've met yet that will say 100% there is no possibility
of a god. Atheists are not anti-theists as they might be viewed from
a rel
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yeah, pretty much my thought. You can't have an exchange of views without
using words, and words are often the round holes we put our square pegs
into. But lan
yeah, pretty much my thought. You can't have an exchange of views without
using words, and words are often the round holes we put our square pegs
into. But language is a valuable tool. The danger lies in saying, for
instance, I don't want to listen to anything Zaphod says because he is
just a gu
> Agnostics are usually viewed as people who are
> searching, but not yet found proof.
Many people may have that view, but that doesn't make it true. Agnostics
are people who are without knowledge of god and therefore have no basis to
either accept or reject a deity. Some may be looking, but mo
> I have no evidence one way or the other to make
> this decision. I can't make an assumption based
> on incomplete evidence so I don't worry about it.
> I'm considered an atheist because I don't have a
> belief in a god, but I also don't have a belief
> there is no god. It's really that simple.
I think a lot of my friends would fall into this category, but then
again, it's just another label.
On Aug 1, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Dana wrote:
>> For another theory:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic_atheism
As if freedom was a question of might
As if loyalty was black and white
You hear
actually, a here's related entry you might like, that is worth a look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_teapot
Here's a couple I like :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
And by the way, I don't talk about my religious beliefs so I am n
I'm pretty indifferent to your religious beliefs peronally, and I mean that
in a good way. It's just a language quibble that I am making. ANd by th way
I have not been in this discussion because Ihave not seen the ads, and
again, really don't care.
I found this while googling just now,and perhaps
I thought about that and this is just one of the problems with coming
up with labels for people. Agnostics are usually viewed as people who
are searching, but not yet found proof. Atheists are viewed as
militant hardliners who would deny a god's existence to his face.
Neither is accurat
note -- not that I care whether atheism is or is not a belief, or
agnosticism for that matter. I am just saying.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Dana wrote:
> pssst Zaphod. That's actually an agnostic is what that is...
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> zaph0d.b33bl3b.
pssst Zaphod. That's actually an agnostic is what that is...
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:13 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> this is the crux of it. You have a belief. You think that since you
> have a belief about god, everyone else has a belief about god one way
>
this is the crux of it. You have a belief. You think that since you
have a belief about god, everyone else has a belief about god one way
or the other. I contend, that I neither have a belief in god or a
belief that there is no god. I also contend that don't have a belief
in Xenu nor a
> first off, does each and every atheist believe this
> way or could you possibly be painting with and
> incredibly large brush. I know I don't get up and
> affirm to myself "I believe there is no god", ...
Nor do most Christians wake up and say, "Wow, so glad Jesus saved me!" Some
do, some don
it was surprising to me also.I still remember the day I told my
mom that the lucky charms leprechaun wasn't real. It still tears me
up thinking that I had somehow let her down.
If she were alive today, she probably consider me just a lapsed lucky
charmer.
On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:54 PM
WTF?!?!
The Lucky Charms leprechaun is not real?!?!
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
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> "I see atheism as a contradiction... They firmly believe that there is
> nothing to believe in"
>
> first off, does each and every atheist believe this way or could you
> possibly b
"I see atheism as a contradiction... They firmly believe that there is
nothing to believe in"
first off, does each and every atheist believe this way or could you
possibly be painting with and incredibly large brush. I know I don't
get up and affirm to myself "I believe there is no god", but
> glad you understand atheists so well. Just out of
> curiosity, what kind of car should I be driving?
> I'm sure you have some insight into what cars
> atheists drive.
I wasn't implying atheism is somehow negative or that it is wrong for
someone to be an atheist, just that I see the core belief
glad you understand atheists so well. Just out of curiosity, what
kind of car should I be driving? I'm sure you have some insight into
what cars atheists drive.
On Jul 31, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Justin Scott wrote:
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>> Based on the fact that they are actively
>> prosthletising, I still hav
> Based on the fact that they are actively
> prosthletising, I still have to ask when
> atheism became an organized religion.
I see atheism as a contradiction... They firmly believe that there is
nothing to believe in. At least agnostics admit their ignorance and just
say "I don't know" with com
gorgeous black chick who was a fundamentalist christian.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Ray Champagne wrote:
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> Who's Monique?
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
> zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I'd forgotten about Monique. Don't remember her being arou
Who's Monique?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I'd forgotten about Monique. Don't remember her being around for long.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 31, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Dana wrote:
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> >
> > yeah well... Monique also compared h
I'd forgotten about Monique. Don't remember her being around for long.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 31, 2009, at 2:10 PM, Dana wrote:
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> yeah well... Monique also compared homosexual marriage to
> bestiality. I
> admire her is in some ways, but she has some strange ideas.
>
> On Fri, Jul 31,
yeah well... Monique also compared homosexual marriage to bestiality. I
admire her is in some ways, but she has some strange ideas.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:08 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
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> > Organized? Sure. But why is it being called a "religion"? A group,
> yes.
> >
> > Granted, I am
you're one of those crusading agnostics aren't you ;) I used to know someone
who said "I don't know if there is a god, and neither do you :P
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> why not? there are plenty of questions that don't deserve an
> And the "minister" they have on, completely mis-quotes the Bill of Rights..
>
> "We hold these truths to be self evident: That all men are created equal
> endowed with certain un-alienable rights by their creator"
>
> Note: no God..
>
> The word creator is the ONLY reference to any "deity" in th
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 1:36 PM, G Money wrote:
> "We're we created by a sentient being?"
>
Ugh. Please forgive my butchering of "we're vs. were"
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On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "Do you believe in an invisible man in the sky who sent a son down to
> earth and became a zombie to make everyone else share in zombiness"
> happens to be one of them.
Hey, come on now, you are confus
why not? there are plenty of questions that don't deserve answers.
"Do you believe in an invisible man in the sky who sent a son down to
earth and became a zombie to make everyone else share in zombiness"
happens to be one of them.
What about the question, "So G, have you stopped being a
> How can believing in *nothing* be a religion?
Atheism != Belief in Nothing. It is the denial of the existence of
any form of supreme being regardless of number, gender, rule set or
hit dice.
Saying that atheism is the belief in nothing is the same, in my mind,
as saying that Scientology is th
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On that note, why are atheist's labelled as anything.
That's a good question, and I think the answer is "Because nearly 90% of
Americans are Theists". If belief in God wasn't so prevalent, then NOT
bel
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> believers make the mistaken assumption that the default for mankind is
> "belief" whereas belief is a taught, otherwise, people wouldn't put
> their kids through the indoctrination that they do. On that
and did you see how they're classified as "non-religious"
believers make the mistaken assumption that the default for mankind is
"belief" whereas belief is a taught, otherwise, people wouldn't put
their kids through the indoctrination that they do. On that note, why
are atheist's labelled
Ok, points from people on this list calling it a religion don't convince me.
The other link calling it a religion *sorta* does, but I just don't see it
personally.
How can believing in *nothing* be a religion?
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:08 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
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> > Organized? Sure.
Well...you have to manifest God on earth SOMEHOW, or you don't have anywhere
to start as a religion, and then you have to pay taxes! (just kidding,
sorta)
The alternative is agnosticism (a belief i'm rather partial too, actually).
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
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> Yea, I
> Organized? Sure. But why is it being called a "religion"? A group, yes.
>
> Granted, I am at work and cannot partake in the watching of these videos,
> but I don't remember the Athiests calling themselves a religion.
Well, at least someone in this list has called it that in the past
http://w
Yea, I know, and the stories of Jesus were written by man and it was
man who decided what teachings to include in the Bible. Its a nice way
to try and get around that whole God as sole judge thing :D
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:01 PM, G Money wrote:
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> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Scott Stro
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> But, according to their own beliefs, they cannot say its an immoral
> act as God is the only one who can judge.
Well that depends on who's beliefs you are talking about. This isn't true
for Catholics, for instance. They believe that God'
iefs that I'm not bothered by a sign
on a bus...
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> Organized? Sure. But why is it being called a "religion"? A group, yes.
>
> Granted, I am at work and cannot partake in the watching of these videos,
> but I don&#x
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Organized? Sure. But why is it being called a "religion"? A group, yes.
Granted, I am at work and c
Organized? Sure. But why is it being called a "religion"? A group, yes.
Granted, I am at work and cannot partake in the watching of these videos,
but I don't remember the Athiests calling themselves a religion.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:41 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
>
> > I guess I'm not
> I guess I'm not seeing the same thing as you. It's not like they're
> saying "You should not believe in god". IMO, they're saying, "hey, if
> you don't believe in god you can still be an ethical human
> beingit's not something to be ashamed of".
>
> I also wouldn't consider an ad that said
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Subject: What a stupid interview question
In an interview regarding the atheist bus ads, the interviewer asks,
if you don't believe in god, why do you use him in your ad campaign.
I guess "god" is not trademarked by christians and other's can't use
I htink I am as free toignore these ads as any other ads
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I guess I'm not seeing the same thing as you. It's not like they're
> saying "You should not believe in god". IMO, they're saying, "hey, if
>
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Dana wrote:
>
> it's an improvement over "if you were a server, what would you like for an
> ip address?" or even that old standby "tell me about a mistake you made at
> work and how you corrected it."
In my first job interview out of college, they asked me wh
I guess I'm not seeing the same thing as you. It's not like they're
saying "You should not believe in god". IMO, they're saying, "hey, if
you don't believe in god you can still be an ethical human
beingit's not something to be ashamed of".
I also wouldn't consider an ad that said "It'
I think "organized" is very, very generous.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:48 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
>
> > In an interview regarding the atheist bus ads, the interviewer asks,
> > if you don't believe in god, why do you use him in your ad campaign.
>
> Based on the fact that they are actively
> In an interview regarding the atheist bus ads, the interviewer asks,
> if you don't believe in god, why do you use him in your ad campaign.
Based on the fact that they are actively prosthletising, I still have
to ask when atheism became an organized religion.
Hatton
~~
I'll have to remember that :) I truly loathe that question, personally.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:42 AM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Dana wrote:
>
> >
> > it's an improvement over "if you were a server, what would you like for
> an
> > ip address?" or even that old sta
it's an improvement over "if you were a server, what would you like for an
ip address?" or even that old standby "tell me about a mistake you made at
work and how you corrected it."
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
zaph0d.b33bl3b...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> In an interview rega
1. I love that Fox News claims to be 'fair and balanced'
2. They seem to be upset that the ads may offend Christians. Last
time I checked, there still was no law, anywhere that protected you
from being offended.
3. I love the ads.
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
>
>
In an interview regarding the atheist bus ads, the interviewer asks,
if you don't believe in god, why do you use him in your ad campaign.
I guess "god" is not trademarked by christians and other's can't use
it with explicit permission.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMC34quXuus&feature=play
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