Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Judah wrote: > Nah, not true at all. > > Computer science is a great example. I don't have a CS degree. Yes, but let's say you did. AND you had the same other skills you do. All other things equal. You'd win, and I'd hire you over the dork. And, you could just as easily teach yourself what

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread denstar
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Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Dana
I don't say it has no value. For instance my academic background has helped me to notice certain anomalies that went right by people who were without it, and I am sure I also miss things that might be obvious to others with more training than I have. There is also no substitute for realizing that

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Judah McAuley
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > Because, as I said, if I'm looking at those 2 kids I'd bet you money > the business kid will kick the college kid's ass in both skills and > presentation. Nah, not true at all. Computer science is a great example. I don't have a CS degree. I

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Dana
I don't think business is necessarily any more relevant than anything else... On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Larry wrote: > > > > You missed my point entirely. Business does not make a good doctor. > > Similarly someone working as a therapeutic agent, whether in >

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Casey wrote: > Some of us are in unique position to say yeah skip college, while others > need a degree to compete in the market place. > That's true, but is the trend away from that? A four-year degree now can cost anywhere from $100 - 200k. For example: What if smart kids take some of that

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Casey Dougall
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > http://www.startribune.com/opinion/commentary/73014787.html > > In most cases College has a value to those who use the knowledge they gain, and can find a job in their respective fields. If you didn't study hard in High School and look at

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > > You missed my point entirely. Business does not make a good doctor. > Similarly someone working as a therapeutic agent, whether in > psychology, psychiatry, juvenile treatment and rehabilitation whatever > would not do better because they had a business background that > someon

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
You missed my point entirely. Business does not make a good doctor. Similarly someone working as a therapeutic agent, whether in psychology, psychiatry, juvenile treatment and rehabilitation whatever would not do better because they had a business background that someone who had a background in ps

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Ian Skinner
Gruss Gott wrote: >> Larry wrote: >> >> Doubtful. there are plenty of jobs where the educational component is >> much more important than running a business. >> > > And yet every single one of them is a business: suppliers, inputs, > process, outputs, customers. > While that statement is t

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Larry wrote: > > Doubtful. there are plenty of jobs where the educational component is > much more important than running a business. And yet every single one of them is a business: suppliers, inputs, process, outputs, customers. Thus he who understands that structure and can apply it in pract

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Doubtful. there are plenty of jobs where the educational component is much more important than running a business. For instance how would successfully creating and running a microbusiness relate to working with juvenile delinquents, or educating kids, or treating a gunshot wound. I can just see i

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Gruss Gott
> Dana wrote: > > maybe it is, but in my opinion there are people who at certain times in > their lives should not be in college. > Yup, and to focus on that misses and/or avoids the core question: who should be going to college? In other words, what purpose do we as a society see for college?

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Dana
maybe it is, but in my opinion there are people who at certain times in their lives should not be in college. I think I say that for different reasons than the author though...his argument seems to be essentially elitist. Mine is more practical. What is the value to society or to the student of f

Re: Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-25 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Given that they're using Murry in this case, the article is drivel. His views and research, especially all his recent work including his book the Bell Curve, has been shown to be pure ideologically driven crap. His uses of regression analysis has been pathetic - he never controlled for a number of

Who Shouldn't Go To College?

2009-11-24 Thread Gruss Gott
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