On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Wow..how did I forget that?
I dunno. Barney's POTD distracted you? :)
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Wow..how did I forget that?
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>> I am grateful for people like Dick Clark, Lance Armstrong and Michael
>> J Fox who use their celebrity to 'spread the word' and raise money for
>> resea
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Dana wrote:
> yes, I was quite awed by her courage in sharing here story.
Yeah - I watched the special she made in her final days. Her friend
who was filming had been turning off the camera when she was getting
really sick and Farrah kept insisting the camera sta
yes, I was quite awed by her courage in sharing here story.
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Cameron Childress wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> > I am grateful for people like Dick Clark, Lance Armstrong and Michael
> > J Fox who use their celebrity to 'spread the
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> I am grateful for people like Dick Clark, Lance Armstrong and Michael
> J Fox who use their celebrity to 'spread the word' and raise money for
> research for the diseases and conditions they have been afflicted with
> and not hide from them.
.
> Denny wrote:
> If I have Lupus, should I be out there at the steps of congress (so to
> speak) "raising awareness"? Is it sad that I'm not out there trying
> to save "just one person"?
>
Yeah, I mean he was guy playing the hand he was dealt, worked and, as
far as I know, paid his taxes.
Why i
I understand what you are saying.
To me there is another level of the 'star connection'. When bad shit
happens to a celebrity - like developing a disease, or revealing they
were the victim of abuse - it makes them seem more 'normal' - more
like us. Maybe it even helps us relate to them in a diffe
It seems to me that most the sweeping changes we've seen brought about
by "one person", have been by a person who was "average".
Someone who other "average" people could rally behind.
The trouble with The Stars, is that most people seem to relate through
fantasy. I love Fox, and who didn't love
I was not advocating that celebrities _do_ affect change, but that
they _can_, if they chose to. Oprah is a great, and extreme, example
(and someone whose audience might rival that of MJ).
I am also not saying that they can 'change the world', but every
little bit helps. Michale J Fox brought a l
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> I disagree. Being a celebrity, especially one like MJ, gives you an
> instant audience willing to listen to whatever it is you want to say.
> Will there be nay-sayers? Of course, but overall, people will listen.
> I think the emotional reacti
1. I don't think I would consider Vitiligo a 'severe disfigurement', I
would save that description for something like spina bifida.
2. When looking for the photo spread online, I came across these photos:
http://www.people.com/people/package/gallery/0,,20287787_20287804_20638952,00.html
http://ww
I disagree. Being a celebrity, especially one like MJ, gives you an
instant audience willing to listen to whatever it is you want to say.
Will there be nay-sayers? Of course, but overall, people will listen.
I think the emotional reaction of his death by a lot of people
demonstrates that he would
Hey, he's already under a rock, and we wouldn't have much to do and or
talk about if we all were the same. =]
--
I grow daily to honour facts more and more, and theory less and less.
A fact, it seems to me, is a great thing; a sentence printed, if not
by God, then at least by the Devil.
Thomas
Those photos are almost certainly of man who used makeup to cover a
severe disfigurement. And so what? At his worst, he was easier to
look at than bigots who do nothing but spout hate and contempt instead
of having any compassion.
If I ever need EMS, I hope they don't send you. My pale skin an
I don't like the idea of judging people because they don't live up
their potential.
Each of us is *incredibly* powerful, and could affect (effect?)
whopping and wide-spread change.
You don't need to be a see-oooper-deee-oop-er-multi-mega-star, more
popular than Mickey Mouse, to do it.
I don't k
That could quite possibly be the best callback on this list...ever.
> And as a side note, I think Gruss worked part time as a vitiligo splotch on
> MJ's right hand in the mid 80's, so you really should trust his judgement on
> this subject...
--
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---
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just stumbled across this; apparently not
http://www.slate.com/id/567?nav=wp
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:07 AM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Maureen wrote:
>
> > Still and all, I don't think he was guilty of child molesting. Even
> > the supposed victim has recanted.
>
>
> And as a side note, I think Gruss worked part time as a vitiligo splotch on
> MJ's right hand in the mid 80's, so you really should trust his judgement
> on
> this subject...
HAHAHAHAHA
Gold Jerry! GOLD!
See Gruss, some jokes stand the test of time.
~~~
Obviously you weren't bad mouthing my wife. You just really dislike MJ and
are jaded by that dislike. I will offer a possible explanation for his
gradual even lightening over time. When my wife was first diagnosed with
it, one of the options presented to her was a complete bleaching of her
skin
People Magazine had a photo spread last week with pictures of MJ over
the years. It was simply stunning to see how his skin uniformly got
lighter over the years. Again, not like any case of vitiligo I have
seen. I am not a dermatologist, but being in EMS or hospital settings
for almost 25 years,
I would like to apologize in advance for when Scott calls your wife a vain
fnucking coward.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Chris Stoner wrote:
>
> My wife has Vitiligo. I first noticed it when she was 19, she had a very
> small white dot just below her lip. Over about the next 5 years, mo
My wife has Vitiligo. I first noticed it when she was 19, she had a very
small white dot just below her lip. Over about the next 5 years, more and
more patches formed and grew until they eventually ALL grew together. She
now has some small patches of pigment left that look like freckles but oth
So, the world who mourns him as 'The King of Pop' would not listen to
him if he wanted to discuss a disease he is afflicted with, or child
abuse? I think the world would have lined up to listen, just like they
lined up to mourn.
I am grateful for people like Dick Clark, Lance Armstrong and Michae
> gMoney wrote:
> Like cancer patients who wear a hat to cover up the affects of their
> chemotherapy.
>
> Those cowards.
>
Well, sure, it sounds bad when you look at it THAT way ...
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Ah, the media roasted him non-stop. The public fed off of it. Why would he
want to add any fuel to the fire? You make it sound like he could just walk
into a tv station and say "I'm here to discuss this horrible condition" and
the world would welcome him with open arms and open ears. Not likely.
A
> Stroz wrote:
>
> Based on what I believe, anyone who is vain is also a coward of sorts.
>
Who isn't?
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Based on what I believe, anyone who is vain is also a coward of sorts.
Like cancer patients who wear a hat to cover up the affects of their
chemotherapy.
Those cowards.
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Somewhere between the time you arrive and the time you go
M
Based on what I believe, anyone who is vain is also a coward of sorts.
>
> Who's an example of a vain coward
>
>
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I see vanity as being afraid of being seen for who you really are.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
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>> Stroz wrote:
>>
>> I have always viewed vanity as a kind of cowardice
>
> How?
>
> Vanity is the exact opposite of cowardice since it's excessive pride
> (or inward insecuri
> Stroz wrote:
>
> I have always viewed vanity as a kind of cowardice
How?
Vanity is the exact opposite of cowardice since it's excessive pride
(or inward insecurity) in one's self and one's appearance.
And, in fact, people with excessive insecurity will often totally lack
fear both in what th
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:16 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> I have always viewed vanity as a kind of cowardice, so there was no
> real difference there. Sorry for the confusion.
Oh posh. Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the hate flow through you.
--
History, a distillation of rumour.
Thoma
I have always viewed vanity as a kind of cowardice, so there was no
real difference there. Sorry for the confusion.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:12 PM, G Money wrote:
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> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
>> >
>> > Uhevery time he was asked "Are you lightening your ski
I can understand how you might view it as hatred. To me its
more...disappointment? ( I guess that is the best word).
He had the entire world that would listen to him discus vitiligo,
lupus, child abuse, etc, and he chose to seclude himself. Again, it
well within his right to do so. I'd like to t
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> >
> > Uhevery time he was asked "Are you lightening your skin?" He
> > answered: "No, i have a disease that causes my skin to lighten."
>
> Then he had the most amazing case of vitiligo I have ever seen to have
> his skin color be so
You have a lot of hatred in you.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, G Money wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Boo-hoo...
> >>
> >> Here is what I was going for: 'Man up. You got dealt a shitty
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
>>
>> Boo-hoo...
>>
>> Here is what I was going for: 'Man up. You got dealt a shitty hand,
>> now try to make something of it. Take a page out of Michael J Fox's
>> book. Don't hide with/fr
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> Boo-hoo...
>
> Here is what I was going for: 'Man up. You got dealt a shitty hand,
> now try to make something of it. Take a page out of Michael J Fox's
> book. Don't hide with/from your disease, but take the opportunity to
> bring more a
Make that '_real_ disfiguring disabilities'...
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
> Boo-hoo...
>
> Here is what I was going for: 'Man up. You got dealt a shitty hand,
> now try to make something of it. Take a page out of Michael J Fox's
> book. Don't hide with/from your disease,
Boo-hoo...
Here is what I was going for: 'Man up. You got dealt a shitty hand,
now try to make something of it. Take a page out of Michael J Fox's
book. Don't hide with/from your disease, but take the opportunity to
bring more awareness of it.
Instead, MJ chose to act like a fucking child and h
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:14 AM, Deanna Schneider <
deanna.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> LOL - it's not nearly that noticeable. Most people don't even see it,
> unless
> I have my hair pulled back in just the right way. It's sort of hidden on
> the
> side of my head. I do recall that fateful d
She's real now, it's Anna Paquinand your crush has been validated. She's
a cutie.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:15 AM, Michael Grant wrote:
>
> >
> > That's it, i'm calling you Rogue from now on :)
>
>
> A, Rogue. I had the BIGGEST crush on her! So hot and so
> dangerous!
> P.S. Ye
>
> That's it, i'm calling you Rogue from now on :)
A, Rogue. I had the BIGGEST crush on her! So hot and so
dangerous!
P.S. Yes I knew she wasn't real. Though probably more real than 75% of the
people in hollywood.
~~~
LOL - it's not nearly that noticeable. Most people don't even see it, unless
I have my hair pulled back in just the right way. It's sort of hidden on the
side of my head. I do recall that fateful day when I got my hair cut in
"feathers" back in 7th grade though - and suddenly it was VERY visible.
A white chunk of hair?
That's it, i'm calling you Rogue from now on :)
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Deanna Schneider <
deanna.schnei...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would imagine as a black man, it would be difficult to cope with
> vitiligo. I have it - but it's restricted to areas of my body t
Yeah, what a vain asshole!
If you had not one, but TWO appearance-crippling diseases, I'm sure you'd be
eager as hell to get your deformities out in the open so billions of people
can gasp and stare at you.
Geeesh. Give the guy a flippin' break.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Scott Stroz wro
I would imagine as a black man, it would be difficult to cope with
vitiligo. I have it - but it's restricted to areas of my body that no
one sees. I was also born with 2 spots of non-pigmented skin - one on
my leg and one on my scalp, which means that I have a white chunk of
hair as well. I've got
Big deal.
Just goes to show how vain he was that he would go to such lengths to
hide it, rather than trying to bring more attention to these
conditions by 'championing' them.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Vivec wrote:
>
> News that Michael Jackson's glove hid vitiligo, which he struggled wit
The glove or the vitiligo?
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Vivec wrote:
>>
>> News that Michael Jackson's glove hid vitiligo,
>
> Plus it was fabulous.
>
>
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> Vivec wrote:
>
> News that Michael Jackson's glove hid vitiligo,
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Archive:
http://ww
News that Michael Jackson's glove hid vitiligo, which he struggled with Daily.
Apparently, he also had Lupus another skin disease.
Connecting with people must have been quite difficult for him if he
could not get these problems under any sort of control.
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/07/09
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Maureen wrote:
> Still and all, I don't think he was guilty of child molesting. Even
> the supposed victim has recanted.
He has? Really? Source please.
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May lie a reason you were alive that you'll ne
Worst than Reagan, Elvis and Princess Diana rolled into one.
The most ridiculous thing I heard was a woman telling a reporter that
she had sold everything in her house to get enough money to come to LA
and stand outside the Staples center to be close to Michael.
Still and all, I don't think he w
Wow, this is so damn funny!
Gruss Gott wrote:
>
> Andy Borowitz
> BorowitzReport.com
> Posted: July 7, 2009 01:39 PM
>
> People With No Lives Ponder Future After Jackson Memorial
>
> With the clock ticking down to the conclusion of the Michael Jackson
> memorial today, millions of people who have
> Dana wrote:
> amen to that. I heard anpther clip where someone said the Stapes Center was
> the center of the world today.
>
> Give. Me. A. Break.
>
Andy Borowitz
BorowitzReport.com
Posted: July 7, 2009 01:39 PM
People With No Lives Ponder Future After Jackson Memorial
With the clock ticking
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Of course the other possibility is:
>
> He's innocent.
It's a lot easier to just believe the worst about someone, until
proven otherwise.
And even then, well- we all know there's no such thing as proof.
Not /really/.
Huh Zeno?
=]
--
Every
amen to that. I heard anpther clip where someone said the Stapes Center was
the center of the world today.
Give. Me. A. Break.
This is worse than the Reagan funeral.
>
> I just can;t wait until he is in the ground so I can watch the news
> again without being told how wonderful he was.
>
> On
god. I heard that sound bite no less than four times today. I am sorry for
the girl but that was exploitation, sorry. How can you let a child that
young... ick. I am sure she did love him. But what was she doing at a media
circus like that? Whoever has custody needs to be bitch-slapped; that was
n
actually you know... I read a rather intelligent analysis recently that said
oh yeah he has anger problems and he apparently did beat the crap out of her
but honestly would be not have hired someone if he really did it? And would
a black man creeping through the shadows on as busy a street as Bund
> Gel wrote:
> imagine," the 11-year-old girl said. "And I just wanted to say I love
> him so much."
>
> That dirty child molester!
>
Also I heard that MJ has, for the last 10 years, accompanied his
children on "play dates" with other kids and their parents in LA.
So here's why MJ is NOT like OJ
And, oddly enough, victims of child abuse often become abusers themselves...
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> gMoney wrote:
>> This guy, don't remember who he was, says that Michael watched all of his
>> brothers grow up to look like their father. He hated his father so much
Meh...I put MJ in the same class as OJ, if you have enough money, you
can hire a lawyer who will help you get away with murder (or other
heinous crimes).
I just can;t wait until he is in the ground so I can watch the news
again without being told how wonderful he was.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 5:06
> gMoney wrote:
> This guy, don't remember who he was, says that Michael watched all of his
> brothers grow up to look like their father. He hated his father so much,
> that he basically wanted to remove any similarities between the two as he
> aged.
>
I saw a snipit of an interview MJ did and th
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/07/michael.jackson.wrap/index.html
"Michael Jackson's daughter Paris Katherine addressed mourners at the
Staples Center on Tuesday, tearfully telling them her father was "the
best father you could ever imagine."
"Ever since I was born, daddy has been t
> Scott wrote:
> Right, the criminal justice system says they can't prove he did it.
> While that means he may not have done it, it also means he may have
> done it, but it can't be proven (see OJ example).
>
Here's my logical problem with assuming he's guilty:
You can make the argument that if
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> Scott wrote:
>> 'not guilty' != 'innocent'
>>
>
> 'not guilty' != 'guilty' either though.
I don't recall saying it did.
>
> Clearly, literally from outward appearances, MJ had some demons he was
> battling. If a dude is willing to that dis
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
> Clearly, literally from outward appearances, MJ had some demons he was
> battling. If a dude is willing to that disfigure himself (e.g, Joan
> Rivers) he's clearly got some internal things he was dealing with.
I heard a rather eerie suggest
> Scott wrote:
> 'not guilty' != 'innocent'
>
'not guilty' != 'guilty' either though.
Clearly, literally from outward appearances, MJ had some demons he was
battling. If a dude is willing to that disfigure himself (e.g, Joan
Rivers) he's clearly got some internal things he was dealing with.
Al
Because it was Michael's. I would think the sequins would have given
them a clue.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Zaphod
Beeblebrox wrote:
>
> But the glove didn't fit!
>
>
> On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
>>
>> OJ was acquitted, too. Just because he was acquitted, does not me
But the glove didn't fit!
On Jul 7, 2009, at 10:35 AM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> OJ was acquitted, too. Just because he was acquitted, does not mean he
> didn't do it, rather that they could not prove it.
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Gruss Gott
> wrote:
>>
>>> gMoney wrote:
>>> annoy you
*waves madly*
*runs out room looking for next interesting link*
^_^
Oh and you *know* there is a big question mark on the whole affair.
Some people put it quite eloquently in another thread, where if they
were parents they would have pressed the case - and STILL get paid.
These decided to take a
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM, G Money wrote:
> I think these were two different casesone was settled out of court with
> a financial settlement, another went to trial and was adjudicatedand he
> was found not guilty.
>
'not guilty' != 'innocent'
--
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---
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OJ was acquitted, too. Just because he was acquitted, does not mean he
didn't do it, rather that they could not prove it.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Gruss Gott wrote:
>
>> gMoney wrote:
>> annoy you sometimes? This bozo get's a pass because he's "just passing on
>> what he heard", even thou
> gMoney wrote:
> I think these were two different casesone was settled out of court with
> a financial settlement, another went to trial and was adjudicatedand he
> was found not guilty.
>
Yeah the standard for criminal complaints is beyond a reasonable
doubt. For civil, it's a preponde
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote:
>
> Wasn't there a big financial settlement along with the acquittal?
I think these were two different casesone was settled out of court with
a financial settlement, another went to trial and was adjudicatedand he
was found not gu
Wasn't there a big financial settlement along with the acquittal?
> Let's keep in mind though that he was acquitted on all charges.
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Its the same thing as Real News adding a question mark...
Michael Jackson's Accuser is Lying
Michael Jackson's Accuser is Lying?
hmmm
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=117466&title=the-question-mark
-J.J.
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, G Money wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul
> gMoney wrote:
> annoy you sometimes? This bozo get's a pass because he's "just passing on
> what he heard", even though he's obviously blatantly misrepresenting what
> his post actually discusseswhich is nothing more than a rumor,
> apparently heard 3rd or 4th hand!
>
Let's keep in mind tho
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:11 AM, C. Hatton Humphrey wrote:
>
> > Jesus...what a crock of you-know-what.
> >
> > Why is it that "truth" and "Michael Jackson" cannot coexist?
> >
> > That link was awful, Gel.
>
> Tell us how you really feel!
Doesn't the way people take advantage of the unaccountab
> Jesus...what a crock of you-know-what.
>
> Why is it that "truth" and "Michael Jackson" cannot coexist?
>
> That link was awful, Gel.
Tell us how you really feel!
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Jesus...what a crock of you-know-what.
Why is it that "truth" and "Michael Jackson" cannot coexist?
That link was awful, Gel.
Title of the article: "Jordan Chandler admits he was never molested by
Michael Jackson"
Actual text in the article: "I am not sure how much truth there is to it,
but th
Jordan Chandler admits he was never molested by Michael Jackson:
http://www.techbanyan.com/4554/jordan-chandler-admits-lied-about-michael-jackson/
"Jordan Chandler was the kid who accused Michael Jackson of
impropriety and led to the lawsuit against the famous singer. Now that
Michael Jackson ha
Yep..only in America could a cute little black boy grow up to be an
ugly white woman.
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:06 PM, Scott Stroz wrote:
>
> I think its funny that Michale Jackson is being hailed as a 'black
> icon'. He has not been black in 30 years
I think its funny that Michale Jackson is being hailed as a 'black
icon'. He has not been black in 30 years.
On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, Michael
Dinowitz wrote:
>
> As if things could not get worse for Michael Jackson, now Al Shapton
> is getting involved. He wants a national day of mourning
Well, there is always Jesse Jackson. Getting a word from both of those
no talent ass-clowns is about as bad as a tv show ending up on WB.
Michael Dinowitz wrote:
> As if things could not get worse for Michael Jackson, now Al Shapton
> is getting involved. He wants a national day of mourning and
I marched in a 4th of July parade this weekend and a number of the
dance groups were doing MJ themed performances - quite disturbing,
honestly.
'Course it did prompt me to speculate if they were going to bury him
in his zombie costume from Thriller.
(*runs*)
As if things could not get worse for Michael Jackson, now Al Shapton
is getting involved. He wants a national day of mourning and a
commemorative stamp. Who does he think Michael was, Dr. King? Even
King didn't get a stamp before the mandatory 5 years, which is only
wavered for dead presidents (re
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