> Sam wrote:
> Who the hell is she talking to?
>
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Its possible. perrhaps they think i am menopausal.
> Your two old :)
>
> On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I'll second this notion - I've been to PP and no one encouraged me to
>> have
>> sex. Or an abortion.
>> There were guys being seen too.
>>
>
>
Your two old :)
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll second this notion - I've been to PP and no one encouraged me to have
> sex. Or an abortion.
> There were guys being seen too.
>
~
No, its true, Planned Parenthood told me that I shouldn't have a baby just
because I don't have a uterus. Sexist bastards.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Beth Fleischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll second this notion - I've been to PP and no one encouraged me to have
> sex. Or an abortion
I'll second this notion - I've been to PP and no one encouraged me to have
sex. Or an abortion.
There were guys being seen too.
> oh geez. Read where? In one of your usual sources? I've been to
> Planned Parentlhood and nobody mentioned abortion to me at all. They
> do comprehesive gynecology by
Who the hell is she talking to?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:10 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> oh geez. Read where? In one of your usual sources? I've been to
> Planned Parentlhood and nobody mentioned abortion to me at all. They
> do comprehesive gynecology by the way. I had a semi-complex q
oh geez. Read where? In one of your usual sources? I've been to
Planned Parentlhood and nobody mentioned abortion to me at all. They
do comprehesive gynecology by the way. I had a semi-complex question
and they handled it well. It was pretty much like any gyn I have ever
been to, except that some o
> gMoney wrote:
> John Q. Public lost all his money because he spent it all buying drinks for
> Mrs. I. Rack.
>
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John Q. Public lost all his money because he spent it all buying drinks for
Mrs. I. Rack.
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 2:17 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> let's expand this:
>
> Mr. Exxon and Mr. John Q Public go to a poker tournament. Mr. Exxon
> goes to play at one table.
let's expand this:
Mr. Exxon and Mr. John Q Public go to a poker tournament. Mr. Exxon
goes to play at one table. Mr. John Q Public goes to another. Both
put in their $100. The game progresses and at the first table Mr.
Exxon has won $200. Mr. John Q Public has lost all his money.
So i
BS Again.
http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2008/09/obamas_hypocrisy_on_the_bridge.php
Yet, when Barack Obama had a chance to kill Alaska's Bridge to Nowhere
and spend the money on Katrina victims, he voteddrum roll pleaseNo.
And over the last three years, Barack Obama hasn't changed his tune
one b
> Sam wrote:
> Though Gov. Palin originally supported the earmark spending on the
> Ketchikan bridge ("to nowhere), she eventually killed the project,
The federal government killed the project and she then withdrew the request.
That is, if the federal government would've approved it she would've
Ok phew! :)
That all makes sense. When this year first started and the debates came
along and right after the republican choice was clear and the Democratic
choice was almost clear - I thought then that I knew exactly who I *didn't*
want. After this past month and a half though, the lines are all
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:09 PM, Sam wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM, denstar wrote:
>
>> That's illogical. We don't need "easing" we need ASAP.
>
> There is no ASAP unless you want to eliminate the food supply.
Oh, we're pretty smart and capable, I'm sure we could figure out something.
t;
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Subject: Re: ok, so the latest poll numbers, and what it means
> I'd just like to address the Roe vs Wade comment. The Supreme Court
> has already upheld a ban on partial birth abortion, a horrific
> procedure that might seem like i
Since Camille Paglia is ten times the woman you are, I'm siding with her.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:33 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> RoMunn wrote:
>> I would encourage you to read what Camille Paglia wrote about Sarah
>> Palin,
>
> Every feminist knows that having a hot anchor woman with a
> communications
I agree with that. I like Bill Clinton's approach- making abortion
safe, legal, and rare.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Dana wrote:
> I am all for a big tent. I am also in favor of sex education, access
> to contraceptives, and if needed abortion. I am especially in favor of
> making abortion
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. Claiming that "lipstick on a pig" is a sexist remark. Give me a break.
What about the old fish comment?
> 2. Palin claiming to have refused federal spending for that "bridge to
> nowhere." In fact, she killed the project out of
If while playing poker, you put in 100 dollars, then take out 100
dollars, do you care who's pocket the bills were in?
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> put 100% in where? the world market? and are you sure it's not "we
> put in 5% and take out 100%"
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:59 PM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's illogical. We don't need "easing" we need ASAP.
There is no ASAP unless you want to eliminate the food supply.
> Why dedicate more resources, and destroy more of the environment, for
> not much gain?
>
> I'd *far* rat
ah. No, I was worried that you might think *I* was trying to start
one. And yes, I know what you mean about time constraints. This is my
first chance to actually think about anything non-IT since about
Saturday. I still have to get back to Denny and Jim about some quite
interesting things they said
You keep bringing up arguing and I dont think anyone is trying to have one
-?? I don't think I've said anything to argue against? Yes, I don't like
them - but I didn't realize what I said was supposed to start one ...
I've been asking questions and stating my opinion on benign things like
polls. :
ah ok, makes more sense. In addition to my abortion concern, allow me
to mention to McCain voted in favor of legislation making it harder to
sue in equal pay cases. Your keyword there is Ledbetter, should you
want to look that vote up. Again, I know you prefer to avoid
argument, but I am not tryin
I didnt say "strong" be the lesser of the two evils ... I just said as far
as polls go - he looks strong right now.
My paragraph might of been misleading - but that is what I meant.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Dana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> but why would "strong" be the lesser of the two
I am all for a big tent. I am also in favor of sex education, access
to contraceptives, and if needed abortion. I am especially in favor of
making abortion very rarely needed but I am very very firmly against
the state telling anyone they HAVE to give birth.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:18 PM, Robert
why did I know you were talking to Sam. Who else would say Planned
Parentlhood was like PETA?
> The proof is in the pudding, Sam. You really think things are the
> best they've been? That we're better off now than we were 8 years
> ago? That the future is as bright as it could have been?
yep
> Dana wrote:
> The Supreme Court Justices appointed in the next presidency *will*
> hear a case involving abortion and there *will* be at least one and
> probably two justices appointed by the next president. There is just
> no question about that. And the current majority in favor of upholding
>
amen to that
> If someone does that, you re-direct that fucking email to > /dev/null
>
> I heartily believe that it's a lack of caring, and a fear of
> offending, that hamper really addressing the issues.
>
> There's plenty we all will never agree on, but there are some things
> that I think both
> RoMunn wrote:
> I would encourage you to read what Camille Paglia wrote about Sarah
> Palin,
Every feminist knows that having a hot anchor woman with a
communications degree as veep really moves feminism forward.
Beauty pageants have known the magic of this success formula for
decades and they
um no not at all. Some of us are gifted googlers is all, and others
know a lot less than they like to think, hehe.
> Because I care about something so stupid as taxation ... and there's this
> whole other laundry list of issues going on - and because I haven't spoken
> about them - I must not care
I'd just like to address the Roe vs Wade comment. The Supreme Court
has already upheld a ban on partial birth abortion, a horrific
procedure that might seem like it needs to be outlawed, but, and here
is the key but, there is no exception for the mother's health.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/181742
I would encourage you to read what Camille Paglia wrote about Sarah
Palin, and about making the women's power movement a big tent that can
accommodate conservative women as readily as liberal women.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Dana wrote:
>
> More to the point though, it bothers me that a w
but why would "strong" be the lesser of the two evils?
I am not going to beat you over the head as I know you don't like
arguments. But from here, I see McCain's campaign doing the
double-speak thing yet calling itself the Straight Talk Express. Two
recent examples:
1. Claiming that "lipstick on
McCain has, in the verbage of Presidential politics, pulled a Clinton.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Gruss wrote:
> McCain has sold every principle he's ever had (compare Senator
> McCain's positions to Candidate McCain's postions) to win the
> nomination.
How much of the oil that is produced in the states now is sold only in
the states?
As for it being cheaper to sell inside the statesdoesn't that
depend on the world markets. If the foreign guys want to pay more,
aren't the oil companies going to weigh the cost/benefit ratio?
I agree wi
> Erika wrote:
> And why do believe it's criticial? What makes you think either party will be
> able to get ahead on abortion issues?
As I said, the SCOTUS is one appointment away from MAJOR changes in our laws.
McCain has sold every principle he's ever had (compare Senator
McCain's positions to
put 100% in where? the world market? and are you sure it's not "we
put in 5% and take out 100%"
On Sep 10, 2008, at 6:48 PM, Sam wrote:
> We put in 100% and take out 100% it's a wash.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> can someone explain t
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Robert Munn wrote:
> Presumably oil produced from wells will be sold in the US, though
> there is no specific guarantee that it will happen. If I were selling
> that oil, I would much rather sell it here than ship it somewhere else
> farther away because it would be
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Sam wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:39 AM, denstar wrote:
>
>> Offshore drilling -- putting more holes in the ground will not solve
>> our energy problems.
>
> It will ease our dependence on foriegn oil until another solution comes along.
That's illogical. We
Presumably oil produced from wells will be sold in the US, though
there is no specific guarantee that it will happen. If I were selling
that oil, I would much rather sell it here than ship it somewhere else
farther away because it would be far more expensive and riskier to
ship to Asia or Europe, t
We put in 100% and take out 100% it's a wash.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> can someone explain to me how drilling for oil will ease our
> dependence on foreign oil? As far as I know, we buy our oil on the
> open market. The private companies tha
Don't stop participating! Politics is a necessary element of a
thriving democracy, and participation is both your right and your
responsibility. I encourage everyone to participate, even people that
call me charming things like a good totalitarian follower (thanks
Larry).
Your time commitments may
can someone explain to me how drilling for oil will ease our
dependence on foreign oil? As far as I know, we buy our oil on the
open market. The private companies that will be drilling/refining the
oil will be selling it on the open market. If anything, it may drop
the price of oil lower
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote:
> out fantastically. You're all very passionate about politics inn general and
> I love it - but I have been trying to broaden my horizons a bit to learn
> more and I get this feeling that I'm like a red-headed step child in the
> proces
Erika, fwiw, I have pretty much tuned out the political discussion on the
cf-community lists. They are not much fun.
Actually, the whole list is not much fun lately, and I have been getting
much of my "community" elsewhere. I've been cheating.
Thank God for icanhasceezburger and xkcd.
On Wed, Se
Supreme Court nominee John Roberts said Tuesday that the landmark 1973
ruling legalizing abortion was "settled as a precedent." He declined
to answer specific questions about abortion and voting rights, citing
cases he could face on the high court.
The heart of the abortion ruling is "settled as a
It's because you don't worship Obama. You'll get used to it, or adapt :)
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll tell you all something else though - I have learned quite a few things
> from some of the more level discussions here, and I hate politics wit
For the record, I respect all of you... and some of you have such dead on
opinions on each candidate, for each side .. it's damn hard to figure it all
out. To try and believe person a over person b over person a again.
ya know ...?
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:39 AM, denstar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Offshore drilling -- putting more holes in the ground will not solve
> our energy problems.
It will ease our dependence on foriegn oil until another solution comes along.
> The environment, and having undeveloped land for "th
>
> To me, in MY humble opinion --- Roe vs Wade is never going too be
> overturned. Not by one of these two guys. And I think it's pretty naive of
> people to think that it might. It's too big an animal with both sides
> having
> a pretty big voice. So to base my decision on which president to vote
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That is, with taxes there's no guarantee no matter who's elected what
will happen. With abortion the election is critical.
And why do believe it's criticial? What makes you think either party will be
able to get ahead o
"For some of us things like pro-life or pro-choice, or gun rights or gun
control are big important issues"
Those are actually important too ... but not by themselves should a decision
be made. And as *I* have said - I've already made my pro and con list for
the social issues. And some point to one
> Beth wrote:
> For some of us things like pro-life or pro-choice, or gun rights or gun
> control are big important issues and so it makes choosing a candidate a
> little easier than someone who is just looking at how their taxes will be
> with either candidate.
>
And, actually, if those issues (g
What do you find appealing about the McCain ticket?
I'm curious.
Personally, if it's about the lesser evil, let me pro-offer my own
personal "evils" about the Republican platform:
Offshore drilling -- putting more holes in the ground will not solve
our energy problems.
The environment, and havi
> And don't scoff - I'm glad it's really easy for the majority of you to
> cast
> your allegiance to one side or the other, and maybe it's something so easy
> for you to see that I must be stupid because I don't - but I truly can't
> figure out which team is the best.
For some of us things like p
I hate to say it - but that's what I see with a totally unbiased eye. And I
do mean unbiased.
Despite recent tax talks and listening to all you guys and re-reading
everything - I still don't have a clue which ticket is the lesser of two
evils.
And don't scoff - I'm glad it's really easy for the m
> RoMunn wrote:
> Yup, nothing is decided yet, it's just unprecedented to see Obama
> flailing around so much.
>
McCain's really pulling it together and Palin is just super sharp. No
doubt about it, McCain's really charging ahead.
~
Yup, nothing is decided yet, it's just unprecedented to see Obama
flailing around so much.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:43 PM, Jerry wrote:
> It's way to early to predict a victory on either side, but Obama seems to be
> struggling at this moment.
>
> The pig comment will come back to bite him, espec
It's way to early to predict a victory on either side, but Obama seems to be
struggling at this moment.
The pig comment will come back to bite him, especially among women who are
undecided.
His slip up talking about his Muslim faith theoretically shouldn't mean
anything, but in practice, it was a
Did you see this little gem:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-says-mc-1.html
"That's not change," Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of what Sen.
John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering.
"You know, you can put lipstick on a pig," Obama said, "but it's
still a pig."
Did he rea
you keep telling yourself that :0
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 6:19 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Floundering isn't even the word. He's unraveling faster than a ball of
> twine in a dryer. It's startling.
>
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Sam wrote:
>> I say McCain by a landslide. He's
Floundering isn't even the word. He's unraveling faster than a ball of
twine in a dryer. It's startling.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Sam wrote:
> I say McCain by a landslide. He's way up and Obama is floundering. The
> emperor has no clothes.
~~
I say McCain by a landslide. He's way up and Obama is floundering. The
emperor has no clothes.
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I am skeptical of polling meaning very much at this point, the
> McCain/Palin ticket now leads nationally, and more importa
> RoMunn wrote:
> While I am skeptical of polling meaning very much at this point
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While I am skeptical of polling meaning very much at this point, the
McCain/Palin ticket now leads nationally, and more importantly for the
election, has swung the race in the battleground states. Everything is
neck and neck, which takes me back to the basic facts- the country is
still more or less
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