Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-25 Thread Judah McAuley
wrote: > > Does this mean CFML is or will be dying ? > > -- > From: "Mark Drew" > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:19 PM > To: "cf-talk" > Subject: Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee > >

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-25 Thread Mark Drew
is or will be dying ? > > -- > From: "Mark Drew" > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:19 PM > To: "cf-talk" > Subject: Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee > >> >> Well, is Ben no

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-24 Thread Rob Parkhill
ll be dying ? > > -- > From: "Mark Drew" > Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:19 PM > To: "cf-talk" > Subject: Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee > > > > > Well, is Ben not part of it too? > > >

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-24 Thread Arsalan Tariq Keen
Does this mean CFML is or will be dying ? -- From: "Mark Drew" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:19 PM To: "cf-talk" Subject: Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee > > Well, is Ben not part of it too? >

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-23 Thread Mark Drew
Well, is Ben not part of it too? Just saying MD On 23 Jul 2010, at 17:06, Cutter (ColdFusion) wrote: > > http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/adobe-no-longer-part-of-opencfml > > Steve "Cutter" Blades > Adobe Community Professional - ColdFusion > Adobe Certified Professional > Advanced Mac

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-23 Thread Cutter (ColdFusion)
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Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-23 Thread Dan Baughman
Is there an official adobe announcement that it pulled out? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 5:10 PM, Sean Corfield wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Gerald Guido > wrote: > >>>Or support for Amazon Web services: S3 (well before Adobe did), > > > > My bad. Before I get a public tongue lashin

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: >>>Or support for Amazon Web services:  S3 (well before Adobe did), > > My bad. Before I get a public tongue lashing...  I got Railo mixed up with > OBD with the S3 support. Yup, Railo introduced the concept of "resources" quite a long time a

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > I'm using the for(i=1; i <= ArrayLen(myArray); i++) syntax because i > know it works everywhere. I would much rather use a for-in loop but > due to the changes that Adobe made in 9.0.1, Railo and Adobe are > temporarily incompatible. Railo

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread denstar
Oh yeah, and it will allow editing of tags online. That part will probably come before anything else, and materialize pretty soon, as I'm s tired of wanking with the dictionaries "by hand", so to speak. Yeah, I know last sentence sounds funny if you're "across the pond". Byte me. :) -- An

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread denstar
http://github.com/denuno/cfml.dictionary It's just a java project right now, but the plan is to leverage it to power a CFML application similar to quickdocs, etc., but with different engines in mind, blah blah blah. CFEclipse was the motivation for this... I'm in the process of switching the wa

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Maureen
Link? On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:40 PM, denstar wrote: > > Er, cfmldictionary?  ;- ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now! http://www.amazon.com/Adobe-Coldfusion-Anthology-Michael-Dinowitz/dp/1430272155/?tag=houseoffusion

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread denstar
Er, cfmldictionary? ;-) :den -- Religion is no more possible without prayer than poetry without language, or music without atmosphere. James Martineau On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 1:39 PM, denstar wrote: > There doesn't need to be a big ceremonious board, but there does need > to be an "official"

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread denstar
There doesn't need to be a big ceremonious board, but there does need to be an "official" language spec, IMHO. Maybe the cfdictionary project could be fleshed out... we could have a nice list of what works like what with what... a single point of reference type of deal... Eh. It's a personal g

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
Sean made a distinction about core language functionality versus add-ons and I think that I should have made that distinction more strongly myself. His example of the for-in loop for arrays is a good one. I'm writing a lot of code today looping over arrays of objects. I'm using the for(i=1; i <= A

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Gerald Guido
>>Or support for Amazon Web services: S3 (well before Adobe did), My bad. Before I get a public tongue lashing... I got Railo mixed up with OBD with the S3 support. G! On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 3:04 PM, Gerald Guido wrote: > >> and certainly not organized enough to be innovative. > > I guess

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Adam Haskell
I don't think it is that disappointing honestly. I do think we need to continue, as engine developers, to have a dialogue with each other.There doesn't need to be this ceremonious board to do it. We have a discussion group for conventional wisdom and things that need vetted could go there. We also

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Adam Haskell
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Wil Genovese wrote: > > If the OpenBD team claims it is not organized enough to submit ideas then > they are most likely not organized enough to release a new version of OpenBD > and certainly not organized enough to be innovative. This is unfortunate > since th

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Gerald Guido
>> and certainly not organized enough to be innovative. I guess that all depends on your definition of innovative. I have been following the OBD mailing list and (off the top of my head) could any of these be defined as innovative? Porting OBD to run on Google App Engine? Or support for Amazon W

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Larry Lyons
> My thoughts - > [SNIP] > If the OpenBD team claims it is not organized enough to submit ideas > then they are most likely not organized enough to release a new > version of OpenBD and certainly not organized enough to be innovative. > This is unfortunate since the commercial version of BlueD

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Sean Corfield
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:50 AM, Wil Genovese wrote: > This is most likely the problem that Sean was referring to.  Being responsive > to the community is one thing, being overly responsive is a problem.  Just > because one person asks for something and three more chime in with "me to > ++

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
You seem primarily interested in defending Adobe and attacking open source projects. I find this rather unhelpful and churlish. I was not trying to start a political discussion at all but rather pointing out to the community that a rather promising project has met its demise. I would like to see a

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Wil Genovese
Adobe CURRENTLY owns the ColdFusion trademark. This has not always been the case but the trademark has always been commercially owned. about Railo "I can honestly say that I have never seen a more responsive project. Community suggestions are made on the mailing list, discussed, dropped in JIR

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Bryan Stevenson
Judahjust FYIthe OpenBD team is every bit as responsive as you just described the Railo team Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. phone: 250.480.0642 fax: 250.480.1264 cell: 250.920.8830 e-mail: br...@electricedgesystems

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 9:14 AM, Wil Genovese wrote: > > My thoughts - > > quote from Adam: > "It is today, as it was before. Innovation and progress in CFML is driven > exclusively by the ColdFusion community. Adobe is merely a vessel that pours > those ideas into ColdFusion and spread CFML ad

Re: Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Wil Genovese
My thoughts - quote from Adam: "It is today, as it was before. Innovation and progress in CFML is driven exclusively by the ColdFusion community. Adobe is merely a vessel that pours those ideas into ColdFusion and spread CFML advancements throughout the world. As a community, we never needed t

Adobe no longer part of the OpenCFML committee

2010-07-22 Thread Judah McAuley
I find this to be a very disappointing development. I have no insight into the politics behind this but I can definitely say that we are a poorer community for this choice. http://www.adrocknaphobia.com/post.cfm/adobe-no-longer-part-of-opencfml I looked forward to being able to write application