> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Why developing in PHP, if C# is superior. Why developing in
> C# if C++ is superior. In the end it comes down to "because
> we just happen to work with it each day". ;) People don't like change.
Micha,
Who are you replying to? Is it just me an
Why developing in PHP, if C# is superior. Why developing in C# if C++ is
superior. In the end it comes down to "because we just happen to work
with it each day". ;) People don't like change.
Micha Schopman
Project Manager
Modern Media, Databankweg 12 M, 3821 AL Amersfoort
Tel 033-4535377, Fax 03
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From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: vrijdag 3 juni 2005 14:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On 6/2/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as
the
> same site bein
Which has me begging the question again, why develop in CF at all if PHP is
that much superior and/or equivalent?
- Calvin
On 6/3/05 10:00 AM, "Damien McKenna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
>> to leverage Java and to scale up
On 6/3/05, Keith Gaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> John Paul Ashenfelter wrote:
>
> > I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
> > to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
> > containers and ap
On 6/3/05, Damien McKenna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
> > to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
> > containers and applications, but that's just me :)
>
> PHP can do that too:
> http://us4.php.net/java
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John Paul Ashenfelter wrote:
> I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
> to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
> containers and applications, but that's just me :)
Cough *Jython* cough! :-)
K.
---
> I think the main advantage of CF over PHP/Perl/Python is the ability
> to leverage Java and to scale up into and integrate with J2EE
> containers and applications, but that's just me :)
PHP can do that too:
http://us4.php.net/java
--
Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Limu
On 6/2/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as the
> same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free software,
> you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper again?
> >
> > larry
real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&%
From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:58 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Well the company we're going against is running some pretty big sites on
perl (from what I understand). I've cod
"contains no lemon juice"
and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&%
From: "Kevin Aebig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:13 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
derstand what a bad idea it is to write web sites in perl as
opposed to CF, can some people post some concrete arguments of why?
Russ
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:52 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
" I mean we can
If it's perl, just write identical functionality in both CF and perl and
present it to your interested parties.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Russ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This was actually my ori
pile ColdFusion and make changes to the java code,
then to try to fix up PHP's C code (assuming PHP is written in C).
Russ
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:42 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
right and thats one of those
f Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&%
From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
juice"
figures @%*((&%
From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 7:31 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
You know guys, you can just decompile the coldfusion class files if you're
really interested in what's 'Under the
This was actually my original question... CF vs LAMP where the P stands for
Perl. Can somebody provide some examples, please, of CF being better then
Perl for web development. I mean we can conceivably run our code in Linux,
definitely on Apache, and possibly on MySQL... the only difference
o:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 5:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:42, dave wrote:
> I guess Simon is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
> breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
> thinks that
> There was a time when this is exactly what eveyone said of CF -
> it was "too easy" and it's sites where "bad" and it was easy
> to write "bad code that works".
As opposed to the Perl of the day where you needed to be touch the ether
to understand...
In general, bad planning (or no planning at
Dave,
- you wrote ---
One thing I can say about cfm users is that if you see a site in cfm it
usually isn't to bad, I seriously can't say that about php.
--
Personally I can't beleive this thread is still going - but I'm pleased to
see that some language has take
On Thursday 02 June 2005 14:14, Kevin Aebig wrote:
> We can drop the example anytime... I'm sure everyone here is smart enough
> to get it.
Sorry to bother you. I was hoping to expand on Dave's metaphor to explain why
I have a different viewpoint than he does. It certainly wasn't my intention
Do I need an oil change? =P
We can drop the example anytime... I'm sure everyone here is smart enough to
get it.
Cheers,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 3:09 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursd
and even agree that
its a faster development tool. But aside from that, its pretty well neck in
neck... and thats good for both languages. Competition breeds innovation.
Sincerely,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:42 PM
To:
On Thursday 02 June 2005 13:42, dave wrote:
> I guess Simon is trying to say that if I buy a car and everytime it
> breaks down they will send someone to fix it (even from germany) and he
> thinks thats a BAD thing? I guess it would be better to take it down to
> jimmy joes house and confer with
the disruptor~
This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice"
and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&%
From: "Calvin Ward" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:56 AM
it's own rights, but out of the 100 or so
"PHP developers" I know, I'd only hire 4 of them.
Sincerely,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 2:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
well Micha maybe in your "
as anything else because there is a small price tag on it
isn't a good enough excuse.
~Dave the disruptor~
This bottle of lemonaid says "contains no lemon juice"
and the can of Pledge says "contains real lemon juice"
figures @%*((&%
---
"Micha Schopman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:42 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Calvin,
I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;
"They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed
on a lot of issue
take a big workload.
For web use though... its a total abomination.
Cheers,
Kevin
-Original Message-
From: Richard Crawford [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 10:46 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
> Cold
ne 02, 2005 11:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
> > This is true code running in production I had to review once
> > (because there was an error somewhere)
> > http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt
Oh,
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:35, Kevin Aebig wrote:
> Coldfusion... PHP... dotNET... truely guys, its all the same thing with
> different implementations.
>
> Now Perl on the other hand Why won't that language just die already...
For CGI scripting, Perl has its uses (though I personally haven't
o: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
That was very nicely done. Although I could read neither the comments, the
variable values or even the variable names, so it was all greek(dutch?) to
me! :P
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005
On Thursday 02 June 2005 09:27, Calvin Ward wrote:
> > This is true code running in production I had to review once
> > (because there was an error somewhere)
> > http://www.mschopman.demon.nl/horror.txt
Oh, God. The horror! The horror! My eyes are melting! Aii!!
(And this onl
: CF vs LAMP
.and it was impeccably indented :)
On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it had comments! ;-)
>
>
> --
> Ian Skinner
> Web Programmer
> BloodSource
> www.BloodSource.org
> Sacramento, CA
>
> "C code. C
24 times at the greatest depth!! :Oo
-Original Message-
From: Charlie Griefer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 16:26
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
.and it was impeccably indented :)
On 6/2/05, Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, it had
> It wasn't a reason, but a possible rationalisation.
If this is the case, I really don't understand why you bothered. The
inference I drew from your previous posts was that you thought MySQL's
approach to NULL values was just as good as anyone else's, because there are
all sorts of inherent probl
. Run code run. Please!"
> - Cynthia Dunning
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 4:36 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
>
> This is true code running in
For most sites, if the PHP site takes twice or three times as long as the
same site being done in CF, then whatever you have in the free software,
you've more than spent on programmers wages. So which site is cheaper again?
>
> larry
Amen Larry!!I don't know why this concept is so hard for s
e 02, 2005 4:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with
>Good God...my Eyesmy Eyes
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 02 June 2005 14:04
>To: CF-Talk
>Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
>
>I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?
>
>- Calvin
If that code is a cond
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> From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:23 AM
> To: CF-Talk
> Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
>
> I had to throw this in:
>
> "One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is encouraging
> softw
IMHO, he was indeed saying that LAMP was a lesser solution (that's my
impression). That's fine with me if that's what he thinks. Our thoughts are
beyond the influence of anyone. But when you translate those thoughts into
actions and words, that is a very different story. I wish he hadn't use
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Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> Apart from being the wrong one, I don't think the reason you
> offer is valid. The API is still burdened with handling of
> DEFAULT because DEFAULT is implemented for insert statements, so
> I fail to see any gains there.
Good God...my Eyesmy Eyes
-Original Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 14:04
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL
I wonder what the re-worked version looks like?
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:50 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Holy crap!
I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo
Wayne,
Have you started adding LAMP development to your skillset?
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Wayne Putterill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:23 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
I had to throw this in:
"One of IBM's senior ventu
8:41 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Calvin,
I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;
"They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed on a
lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them very
strongly. Then I ha
Holy crap!
I suppose it could have been worse, it could have all been on one line! :Oo
Ade
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 02 June 2005 12:36
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
This is true code running in production I had to review once
Calvin,
I was aiming at the following comments made in the thread;
"They proved to be the typical LAMP dev'r and were highly missinformed
on a lot of issues and I used the fact that they don't know against them
very strongly. Then I had them go up to white board and write on
whiteboard a typical
Keith Gaughan wrote:
> Jochem van Dieten wrote:
>>
>> The SQL DEFAULT keyword is not just meant for use in DDL. SQL is
>> defined in such a way that you can also use DEFAULT in DML to
>> (re)set any column to its default value. You don't even have to
>> know what that default is. So in SQL you
I had to throw this in:
"One of IBM's senior venture capital investment authorities is
encouraging software start-ups to follow the money, and back the LAMP
open source stack.
According to Drew Clark, director of strategic insights for IBM's
venture capital group, building software using Linux, A
rsday, June 02, 2005 7:36 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too blind
seeing there is more on the market than CF :)
~|
Logware (www.logware.us): a new and conve
Nofi, but this thread is going off topic because some people are too
blind seeing there is more on the market than CF :) If you don't like
PHP, that's all right, everybody has its own personal affection with a
language, but stating in someway that the developers using PHP are
amateurs is just not t
>I'm not so sure that the logic follows.
It does if your car is no longer new and that your warranty has already
expired. The same is true with software.
>I think this thread is definitely going OT though!
I agree. This should be my last post for this thread.
[ simon.cpu ]
~
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Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> On re-reading that was very poorly worded by me.
>
> The SQL DEFAULT keyword is not just meant for use in DDL. SQL is
> defined in such a way that you can also use DEFAULT in DML to
> (re)set any column to its default val
Original Message-
From: Simon Cornelius P. Umacob [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:39 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
> " I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with
> its hood welded shut?"
> yeah, what the hell would
> " I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with
> its hood welded shut?"
> yeah, what the hell would I being doing under the hood when it's built
> by a solid company that will take care of any issues that arise.
BMW is a solid company.
A solid company will take care of an
w Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:21 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Does belonging to this list infer that I believe CF is the best web
programming language? I hope not, and there are many reasons to use CF
beside the fact that "it's the best."
ou do.
They will get the job even if they charge higher than you do."
you are kinda right here, if this was me i would push the whole cf vs lamp
aside at first and go after the general things of the website. Look at the
competitors past sites and find the issues that you are strong at. Lik
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
> Keith Gaughan wrote:
>>
>> As I said, I'm not defending MySQL. I'm saying that the behaviour of
>> NULLs in SQL is, well, buggered. Attacking a DBMS, any DBMS on the way
>> it handles them in various situations is a bit like shooting fish that
>> are fastened to the barr
Keith Gaughan wrote:
>
> As I said, I'm not defending MySQL. I'm saying that the behaviour of
> NULLs in SQL is, well, buggered. Attacking a DBMS, any DBMS on the way
> it handles them in various situations is a bit like shooting fish that
> are fastened to the barrel of your gun.
>
> The thing i
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Dave Watts wrote:
>>I think that more points to a flaw in the concept of NULLs in SQL
>>(which, as it happens, is one of the most criticised aspects of the
>>language) than a flaw in MySQL per-se.
>
> It's one thing to observe a flaw in a language. I
> Would you take your bmw to some cheap mechanic that only used free
> tools or the new state of the art repair center?
I have a question to you, my dear friend: Would you buy a BMW with its hood
welded shut?
> Did you fall for the dumb scam of "we don't charge any closing fees"
> when you b
> From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On an unrelated note, I noticed that I can see better out of
> my right eye than my left eye. So, to improve my driving, I
> started driving on the left side of the road instead of the
> right side. I'm sure that will be a great improvement.
Dave,
LOL..
You would be fine in the UK
-Original Message-
From: Dave Watts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 15:53
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
> I think that more points to a flaw in the concept of NULLs in SQL
> (which, as it happens, is one of th
> I think that more points to a flaw in the concept of NULLs in SQL
> (which, as it happens, is one of the most criticised aspects of the
> language) than a flaw in MySQL per-se.
It's one thing to observe a flaw in a language. It's another to use that
flaw as justification for an application's fai
> Sorry, I should've pointed out that alternative - I think it
> comes down to personal preference?
I would recommend the use of the NULL attribute of CFQUERYPARAM over the
NULLIF database function if for portability reasons.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf S
Sorry, I should've pointed out that alternative - I think it comes
down to personal preference?
-Joe
On 6/1/05, Charlie Griefer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> or
> null="#yesNoFormat(NOT len(trim(form.foo)))#">
>
> (if the null attribute evaluates to YES, it overrides whatever is
> provided for t
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Joe Rinehart wrote:
> Can probably be written:
>
> NULLIF( maxlength="20">, '')
Or even:
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On 5/31/05, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hold on, now. Java is not exactly open source, is it? Don't
> > they still call it "Community Source" rather than open
> > source? In other words, Java belongs to Sun. You can't just
> > go out and start offering your own Java, a la Microsoft J+
On 6/1/05, Hugo Ahlenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > Let's say you're building a data warehouse -- doubling the
> | size of the
> | > text columns in the fact tables (from varchar to nvarchar) to make
> | > them unicode as opposed to using the correct character set makes a
>
> To add to Paul'
or
(if the null attribute evaluates to YES, it overrides whatever is
provided for the value attribute)
On 6/1/05, Joe Rinehart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey Adrian,
>
> >
> >
> >
> > > maxlength="20">
> >
> >
>
> Can probably be written:
>
> NULLIF( maxlength="20">, '
> Can probably be written:
> NULLIF( maxlength="20">, '')
Or better yet:
--
Damien McKenna - Web Developer - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Limu Company - http://www.thelimucompany.com/ - 407-804-1014
#include
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Logware (www.logware
Hey Adrian,
>
>
>
> maxlength="20">
>
>
Can probably be written:
NULLIF(, '')
Cheers,
Joe
--
Get Glued!
The Model-Glue ColdFusion Framework
http://www.model-glue.com
~|
Logware (www.logware.us): a new
On 5/31/05, Dave Watts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ironically, it's also barely even germane since you can easily run
> > the CF/MS-SQL combination with Apache. Or the MP part of the stack on
> > Windows, at least as long as "P" is Perl or PHP (I can't speak to
> > Python).
>
> You can certainl
On 5/31/05, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hold on, now. Java is not exactly open source, is it? Don't they still call
> it "Community Source" rather than open source? In other words, Java belongs
> to Sun. You can't just go out and start offering your own Java, a la
> Microsoft J++.
On 5/31/05, Bryan Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What's the example of the situation you NULL issue -- a simple SQL
> > example would help me figure out exactly what situation you're talking
> > about.
>
> Simple...and there is no SQL behind it..the DB screwed the data
>
> Took over a p
"Is PHP in general a better solution than CF?"
It depends on how the end user experiences it. On some points I think CF
excels and the same goes for PHP. Looking at things like cfgraph, report
builder, event gateway, those are all things you do not find in PHP.
There are possible yes, but requires
No, indeed it doesn'tin fact if you are using another technology as well
as CF - kudos to you ;-p
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 13:21
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Does belonging to this list infer that I believe CF i
Keith Gaughan wrote:
> Dave Watts wrote:
>
>>> Yup, and it'll give you the default value for that field. I
>>> don't see how this is a criticism.
>>
>> You're kidding, right? That defeats the entire purpose of NULL. How would
>> you differentiate between default values and NULLs?
>
> I think th
No, indeed it doesn'tin fact if you are using another technology as well
as CF - kudos to you ;-p
-Original Message-
From: Matthew Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 13:21
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Does belonging to this list infer that I believe
riginal Message-
From: Calvin Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 8:15 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
I'm certainly not taking offense, I'm observing a pattern of behavour.
We also aren't entirely cognizant of the business strategy regarding th
I believe LAMP on Windows is called WAMP.
-Original Message-
From: Scott Stroz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 June 2005 13:11
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
I thought LAMP was Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP?
On 5/31/05, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We h
sday, June 01, 2005 8:04 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
Calvin,
As always, it not always depends on the requirements for a project, but
also on the strategy of business regarding sales, communication,
partnerships, certifications, etc.
Like others, we are not advocating, we are merely obse
I thought LAMP was Linux, Apache, MySQL and PHP?
On 5/31/05, Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We have a client that is trying to decide whether to go with my company or
> another company. We are a CF/MS SQL shop, and the other company does LAMP
> development (Linux, Apache, MySQL, Perl).
>
>
in Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: woensdag 1 juni 2005 12:51
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
What I am observing is an increasing number of participants on this list
(CF
list) advocating PHP instead of CF, without even the benefit of knowing
the
total requirements of a given p
.
Is PHP a better, more cost effective solution? If so, we are wasting our
time here and need to move on.
- Calvin
-Original Message-
From: Micha Schopman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2005 7:35 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: CF vs LAMP
"I don't think findi
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Dave Watts wrote:
>> Yup, and it'll give you the default value for that field. I
>> don't see how this is a criticism.
>
> You're kidding, right? That defeats the entire purpose of NULL. How would
> you differentiate between default values and NULLs
"I don't think finding someone would ever be an issue, there's a good
number of CF developers not employed or looking for additional work all
over the country/world."
This is definitely not the case. Maybe in the US, but certainly not
everywhere.
As far as lamp concerned, PHP is a very mature pl
May 31, 2005 6:24 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
There's a much larger developer base for LAMP. I'd consider that a factor
in selecting the environment - probably even in selecting the developer if
a developer insists on using a particular environment.
If I were the customer I
| > Let's say you're building a data warehouse -- doubling the
| size of the
| > text columns in the fact tables (from varchar to nvarchar) to make
| > them unicode as opposed to using the correct character set makes a
To add to Paul's informative post -- with the price of disk space today,
space
John Paul Ashenfelter wrote:
> the way you claim though I'll concede the point for i18n -- but not
> necessarily for l10n (localization).
yes, you want it for l10n as well (you seem to be missing the point of
i18n, it's to make an app ready for l10n). why on earth would you want
to manage an app
> Hold on, now. Java is not exactly open source, is it? Don't
> they still call it "Community Source" rather than open
> source? In other words, Java belongs to Sun. You can't just
> go out and start offering your own Java, a la Microsoft J++.
I suspect that John is referring to all the third-p
Hold on, now. Java is not exactly open source, is it? Don't they still call it
"Community Source" rather than open source? In other words, Java belongs to
Sun. You can't just go out and start offering your own Java, a la Microsoft
J++.
>
>I'll be talking about open source, especially Java, at
going with LAMP gives them a lot more options.
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From: "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk"
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 11:25 AM
Subject: CF vs LAMP
> We have a client that is trying to decide whether to go with my company
> or
>
Hey Adrian,
Yes..older version of MySQL...the point that you missed was that some shops
actualy think that "free" is/was "free"...but in reality they took longer to
build their apps and even longer to make changes (because they had to code
in what the DB should have done).
Yes..MySQL is gettin
>>> Not that I want to work too hard to paw fresh kitty litter over this
>
>and I look at it as "If it allows such a core thing to go wrong...what the
>hell else will it do" (I've seen the "gotcha" page..yikes)
>
>
>Yep Dave..I've chatted with local developers that use the MySQL/PHP (so
>called "
> What's the example of the situation you NULL issue -- a simple SQL
> example would help me figure out exactly what situation you're talking
> about.
Simple...and there is no SQL behind it..the DB screwed the data
Took over a project using MySQL 4.1.x. In trying to import the DB into
MS-SQL 2
> Ironically, it's also barely even germane since you can easily run
> the CF/MS-SQL combination with Apache. Or the MP part of the stack on
> Windows, at least as long as "P" is Perl or PHP (I can't speak to
> Python).
You can certainly run Python on Windows. The ActiveState distribution
provide
In a shared hosting environment, the point is moot since you touch the web
server via the ISPs web based interface.
-Original Message-
From: John Paul Ashenfelter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 2:33 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: CF vs LAMP
On 5/31/05, Dave Watts
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