Peter
Well said!
I would add one very important thing... actually 2 related things:
CF facilitates or encourages writing human-readable,
self-documenting, code better than any programming language I have
seen or used.
This means that you, or someone else, can easily read and understand
I shudder to recall those heady days when the popular challenge was
I can write that APL program in 1 line but I don't remember
what it does... and can't figure out how it does it!
Unfortunately those days have not gone, on the contrary...
s/APL/Perl/gi
Nick
At 9:03 AM +0100 4/25/01, DeVoil, Nick wrote:
I shudder to recall those heady days when the popular challenge was
I can write that APL program in 1 line but I don't remember
what it does... and can't figure out how it does it!
Unfortunately those days have not gone, on the contrary...
then.
Like I said, I think CF has its plusses and minuses, but it just seems less
compelling to me by the month.
Joe
From: Derek Hamilton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:40:36 -0700
A couple
Joe said:
If you're calling the better-suited things in as a CF object (e.g. Java,
COM,
MSXML) to do things, then why not just use those technologies (or
families
of technologies) and skip the CF entirely?
I'm not sure I follow this. To use JAVA, COM, or any of these other
techologies on a
If you're calling the better-suited things in as a CF object
(e.g. Java, COM, MSXML) to do things, then why not just use those
technologies (or families of technologies) and skip the CF entirely?
I'm not sure I follow this. To use JAVA, COM, or any of these other
technologies on a web
It's been a while since I've done any Java programming and I don't claim
to be an expert, but the most common browsers (IE / Navigator) have a Java
Virtual Machine in them. An applet runs in the browser and has nothing to
do with CF, ASP, JSP, or PHP. You don't need any of those
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From: Joseph Grossberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This isn't
so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This isn't
so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step back
and reevalutate things periodically.
Over the course of
Can someone point me to any online articles about NEO?
Bonnie E. Betts
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From: "John McKown" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: Is CF still
On 4/20/01, Joseph Grossberg penned:
Lastly, why do *you* still use CF? Is it because it's what you're best at,
and you don't want to try something new (where, temporarily, you'd be a
novice again)? Is it because your ccompany's legacy code is all in CF? Is it
because you genuinely think that
Brunt
Macromedia Consulting
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Fax 401.696.4335
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From: Joseph Grossberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll
CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 12:54 PM
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I have only dabbled in other programming languages, but from what I can
see, CF does most everything
the others do, but does it easier.
The high cost keeps it from being as popular as ASP and
: "Chris Giminez" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "CF-Talk" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 15:54
Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
I have only dabbled in other programming languages, but from what I can
see, CF does most everything
the others do, but does it easier.
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From: "David E. Crawford" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 11:08 PM
No one accused CF of being cheap to host but the fact is that it was never
targeted to the individual developer. CF Enterprise is expensive, but I am
sure others can attest to
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This isn't
so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step back
and reevalutate things periodically.
Over the course of my career as a web programmer/developer, I have worked
with a variety of sever-side
Joseph Grossberg wrote:
But, I can't help but wonder whether they are wasting their
time. Would they be better off spending their time learning ASP, Java or
another non-CF solution? Why or why not?
Well it depends on the individual doesn't it? If you have projects you can't
build in CF or
the job
done.
Greg
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Grossberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This isn't
so much an instigation or a whine
|Lastly, why do *you* still use CF?
I just started learning CF, I mean, JUST :) In fact I posted my first question
on the list about server trouble while trying my first example codes from a book
;) I haven't even figured out how to connect to a database using CF yet grin
However, I thought
April 20, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This
isn't
so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step
back
and reevalutate things periodically.
Over the course of my career as a web programm
.
- Scott
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Grossberg
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 4/20/01 3:27 PM
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This
isn't
so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step
back
and reevalutate things
: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This isn't
so much an instigation or a whine as it is a call for us to take a step back
and reevalutate things periodically.
Over the course of my career as a web programmer/developer, I have worked
and the Web.
Kind Regards - Mike Brunt
Macromedia Consulting
Tel 562.243.6255
Fax 401.696.4335
http://www.macromedia.com
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Grossberg [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:28 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss
wait to start coding in .NET for real, actual projects... Just my
opinion.
- Scott
-Original Message-
From: Joseph Grossberg
To: CF-Talk
Sent: 4/20/01 3:27 PM
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss this as a troll, please let me elaborate. This
isn't
so much an instigation
community, is that is has
a small community.
Why do I use it? It works.
jon
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From: "Joseph Grossberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:27 PM
Subject: Is CF still relevant?
Now, before you dismiss thi
ts plusses and minuses, but it just seems less
compelling to me by the month.
Joe
From: "Derek Hamilton" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:40:36 -0700
A couple thoughts...
Don't you think Neo
Costas Piliotis wrote:
First. Cold-fusion in and of itself cannot parse xml, but the MSXML parser
can, and if I'm not mistaken, it IS accessible as a CFOBJECT.
There is also no reason why you couldn't just connect to Saxon (as a
servlet) and in the future this might be the simplest approach
1) "JSP is good, but it's a pain to learn." -- would it not be worth the
extra time invested to learn it?
2) "Cold Fusion provides a great approace to providing rapid-application
development that quite honestly php, asp, and jsp cannot compete with. A
seasoned cold-fusion person can keep up
Message-
From: Jon Hall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:26 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
I dont have a problem parsing XML with CF, although no server side scripting
language like cf or asp and so on is ever going to be the best tool for
that.
Any
However, while I think that some additional stuff CF does is
good (e.g.
integration with Flash; I think the MM/Allaire merger is very
complimentary), it seems like it's just way behind on other
things.
And lets not forget Shockwave while we're at it. It doesn't get as much
attention as
ay, April 20, 2001 2:32 PM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
You brought up and interesting point, and Neo will be a big boost to CF,
IMHO, and I'll be psyched when it arrives. But if someone knows Java, why
not just use JRun at that point? Also, Allaire doesn't seem to have a
concrete
would like?
Derek Hamilton
Systems Developer
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From: "Joseph Grossberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: Is CF still relevant?
You brought up and interesting point, and Neo will
n leverage to
provide a good solution, I'll select it over something else any day.
Rey Bango
Team Allaire...
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