Rick,
I think you'll find that most of the HoF lists you mentioned (aside from
CF-Talk) have very limited participation recently - suggesting that
people are generally going to other lists or forums for support and
discussion on those topics, because the communities are larger and more
I unashamedly and completely agree with Carl and Russ.
Damn, Russ. I've fully agreed with you twice in a matter of weeks. What is
this world coming to? :-)
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Carl Von Stetten
vonner.li...@vonner.netwrote:
Rick,
I think you'll find that most of the HoF lists
On Sun, Sep 16, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.comwrote:
But more important than just communicating with anyone is communicating
with people you already have a relationship with.
When discussing responsive design, the most important to me is
communicating with experts
Gosh, perhaps someone let the bees out of your bonnet ;-)
Regards
Russ Michaels
On Sep 17, 2012 5:23 PM, Matt Quackenbush quackfu...@gmail.com wrote:
I unashamedly and completely agree with Carl and Russ.
Damn, Russ. I've fully agreed with you twice in a matter of weeks. What is
this
Hi, Michael...
Have you given any thought to creating a mailing list
for the hottest design paradigm to come along in a lng time?
Response and Adaptive Web Design
I think there would be a of interest in this, especially, the role
of CF in this design approach.
Nothing, I don't believe
it was impossibe to keep up.
Regards
Russ Michaels
On Sep 16, 2012 5:14 PM, Rick Faircloth r...@whitestonemedia.com wrote:
Hi, Michael...
Have you given any thought to creating a mailing list
for the hottest design paradigm to come along in a lng time?
Response and Adaptive Web Design
in, as long as
I'm
using CF, which will be forever...
Thanks for the feedback...
Rick
-Original Message-
From: Russ Michaels [mailto:r...@michaels.me.uk]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:25 PM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
I think you would
I give this idea a HUGE PLUS!!!
Terry
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From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:r...@whitestonemedia.com]
Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2012 9:14 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Mailing list for Responsive and Adaptive Web Design
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-Original Message-
From: Al Everett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: Recommend web design training
I've got a good handle on CF development
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:37 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: SOT: Recommend web design training
I've got a good handle on CF development. What I don't have a good handle
on, and which I'm tasked to do more and more, is basic web DESIGN.
I've a basic working knowledge of CSS
I've got a good handle on CF development. What I don't have a good handle on,
and which I'm tasked to do more and more, is basic web DESIGN.
I've a basic working knowledge of CSS, but certainly not a deep understanding.
The web applications I build are functional and work well, but they're
I've got a good handle on CF development. What I don't have a
good handle on, and which I'm tasked to do more and more, is
basic web DESIGN.
I've a basic working knowledge of CSS, but certainly not a
deep understanding. The web applications I build are
functional and work well
Enhancement
-Original Message-
From: Jake Churchill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:51 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: Recommend web design training
If you can find some place that Sandra Clark is talking, I'd highly
recommend checking it out. She works a LOT
Amen to Sandy. She's our go-to person for CSS. I didn't know she did any
training in creative design and graphics production techniques, but if she
does then I'd jump on it if I were you.
Funny how these topics come up right when my boss is asking me to look
for a resource.
We've got a
It sounds like you need two different sorts of training. CSS, Section 508
compliance, and other standards are one thing. Good design is something
else
entirely. I'm aware of all sorts of training for the first category, but
most people who learn about the second category do it as part of a
-Talk
Subject: Re: Recommend web design training
Amen to Sandy. She's our go-to person for CSS. I didn't know she did any
training in creative design and graphics production techniques, but if she
does then I'd jump on it if I were you.
Funny how these topics come up right when my boss is asking
Me? I LIKE writing code.
-Original Message-
From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: 2007 Web Design Survey
I don't see it so much a goal as a natural progression in one's career.
Who wants to be a 50-60 year old
I don't see it so much a goal as a natural progression in one's career.
Who wants to be a 50-60 year old code monkey?
On 10/18/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Web Development, no, but move your way up a corporate chain
into management, and you're getting closer...
If your goal is
I was somewhat kidding.
I don't (at this point) want to give up coding.
I don't want to manage people
I don't want to worry about other people's paychecks
I actually don't want to worry about mine.
I do like some of the technologist and business analysis work I am
doing now, but I still prefer
From the point of view of the small business sector and for-hire
consulting and design groups, I could see how someone might see cold
fusion and web design work as code monkey tasks.
But, in your larger, more established IT departments, there are jobs you
can only hold with a dozen years
LOL Jochem.
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development sharing, and articles on the Adobe Labs wiki.
well, hey, to each their own, whatever floats yer boat, etc. i'm on board
with that. :)
I'd prefer to make the most money, etc in my career, save lots of cash for
retirement (the original poster's question, I think), and still code for the
fun projects - like my NFL pool app I wrote about a
LMAO!
Thanks,
Eric
Jochem van Dieten wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Bruce, Great response. I'm doing the same thing you're doing.
I guess I just want to make that jump to a higher level beyond 9-5
and side jobs which is a great living. But I want to join those guys
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Bruce, Great response. I'm doing the same thing you're doing.
I guess I just want to make that jump to a higher level beyond 9-5
and side jobs which is a great living. But I want to join those guys
you see on their huge boat during the day wihc
, Andy Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Me? I LIKE writing code.
-Original Message-
From: Crow T. Robot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:13 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: 2007 Web Design Survey
I don't see it so much a goal as a natural progression in one's
Me! I also like writing code. I do it in my spare time, too.
(Especially when work is not as fun as it should be, and I need a
creative release)
My favorite time in the entire year is not Christmas or even my
birthday, it is the 4 day weekend at Thanksgiving where I pick a
single project, and
I happen to know some damn good programmers in their 40's and 50's who
are VERY content just being a code monkey. These guys have
degrees/experience and could get management positions, but they don't
want to. There is nothing wrong with being a worker bee all your life.
Bruce
Crow T. Robot
Discuss amongst yourselves.
http://alistapart.com/articles/2007surveyresults/
Andy Matthews
Senior ColdFusion Developer
Office: 877.707.5467 x747
Direct: 615.627.9747
Fax: 615.467.6249
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.dealerskins.com
I have only one but very strong response/opinion based on this survey. It just
proves that this line of work has increased in the amount of knowledge required
to do the job but the pay has been significantly descreased as the overall cost
of living has increased dramtically.
It no longer
While I agree with most of what you say, being self employed is not all
that. I know, I have done it. It is fast or famine. I seem to recall
several folks on this list who are self employed have gone through some
great times and some bad times. Sure you get a shit load of tax breaks,
but to me
Note that the vast majority of respondents said they've only been doing web
development for 1 or 2 years, which will definitely skew the salary numbers
down.
On 10/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have only one but very strong response/opinion based on this
similar views and that I'm not just on my own
osolated little planet. 8-)
I don't completely disagree with the points you made, but I think your
points are based on a survey that is skewed. I believe that the survey was
targeting web *design* professionals, not developers / engineers. Design
Hey Bruce, Great response. I'm doing the same thing you're doing.
I guess I just want to make that jump to a higher level beyond 9-5
and side jobs which is a great living. But I want to join those guys
you see on their huge boat during the day wihc great tans after their
month long vacation. I
Making a living as an independent developer is becoming more difficult.
As you stated, webapps are becoming more commoditized and what
I can build for a $3,000 can now be purchased for $25 per month.
I'm looking at trying to develop some turn-key apps that I can
sell repeatedly and more cheaply.
Web Development, no, but move your way up a corporate chain into management,
and you're getting closer...
On 10/18/07, Dave Watts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But I want to join those guys you see on their huge boat
during the day wihc great tans after their month long vacation.
Then perhaps
But I want to join those guys you see on their huge boat
during the day wihc great tans after their month long vacation.
Then perhaps web development is not the field for you. Web development isn't
hard enough to warrant that kind of paycheck,
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
Dave, Crow,
So true, so true. I hope to have my business. I own microfuelcell.com
which is an emerging technology for powering portable devices which is
predicted to replace the latest battery technologies. There's just the
age old issue of time and money to get the thing off the ground.
Ever the optimist, eh Dave? Tell it to the guys who started Google.
Seriously though, what is the American dream? To study hard, get a
'good' job, work yourself into the ground, and die an early death by
heart failure before ever seeing your grandchildren born? No! We live in
a free enterprise
Web Development, no, but move your way up a corporate chain
into management, and you're getting closer...
If your goal is to be a manager, there are probably easier ways to get there
than becoming a web developer first.
Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software
http://www.figleaf.com/
Fig Leaf
to cost £50/£60 for site!
How do you compete with that. You don't. You just say here's my card
incase you need me in the future.
Andy
- Original Message -
From: Jim McAtee [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 11:46:41 -0600
Subject: Re: free web design?
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
You
as good.
Cheers
Mike Kear
Windsor, NSW, Australia
AFP Webworks
http://afpwebworks.com
.com,.net,.org domains from AUD$20/Year
- Original Message -
From: Andy Jarrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2004 09:53:52 +0100
Subject: Re: free web design?
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Even
Subject: RE: free web design?
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oh it definitely was SPAM.But SPAM that caught my attention :)
At 11:00 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote:
Sounds like .SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
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From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2004 16:00
To: CF
-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: Re: free web design?
This is Unbeleivable!No one worth their weight in salt would do a
thing like this.Plus I ask my business customer do they really want to
bet the business on a 499.00 website?
-- Original
I got an email from these folks today, saying that they will create a 10
page site for free, all you pay for is the hosting (9.95/mo).There must
be a catch in this offer somewhere, but I don't see where.Anybody ever
heard of these guys?
http://www.addr.com/free-design/
How does one compete
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- Original Message -
From: Ray Champagne
To: CF-Talk
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 7:51 AM
Subject: free web design?
I got an email from these folks today, saying that they will create a 10
page site for free, all you pay
Sounds like .SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
_
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2004 16:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: free web design?
Been around for everjust template based cheesy sites I'm sureall
kinds of ISPs offer it as a loss leader to their hosting
Oh it definitely was SPAM.But SPAM that caught my attention :)
At 11:00 AM 10/1/2004, you wrote:
Sounds like .SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
_
From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 01 October 2004 16:00
To: CF-Talk
Subject: Re: free web design?
Been around for everjust
Ray Champagne wrote:
I got an email from these folks today, saying that they will create a 10
page site for free, all you pay for is the hosting (9.95/mo).There must
be a catch in this offer somewhere, but I don't see where.Anybody ever
heard of these guys?
There are lots of places online
reminds me...
http://www.cubicleman.com/?id=19
someone here in Atlanta was advertising this.Have websites become
such a commodity?LOL!
Doug
- Original Message -
From: Ray Champagne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 11:03:19 -0400
Subject: RE: free web design?
To: CF-Talk [EMAIL
Remember Jakob is a useability practitioner specialising in
HCI techniques.
There is a big difference between good usability or HCI and
good design
What's HCI?
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lol... sounds like an escort service ;-)
Great link... thanks.
--
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anyone know where i can get a good article that talk about what is the best
web design and pratice
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anyone know where i can get a good article that talk about what is the
best
web design and pratice
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