Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-26 Thread nrf
Well actually, yeah it is different. Perhaps not in theory, but in actual practice. Think of the composition of the sexual harrassment lawsuits - what is the proportion of women suing men for inappropriate behavior and vice versa? Exactly. For every one case of a man suing a woman, it's

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-22 Thread Kevin Cullimore
condemn. - Original Message - From: Thompson Alton To: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 3:56 PM Subject: RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653] Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Do you remember LU and PU and logic controllers?? Do they all work the same as IP networks or VOIP and IP

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-22 Thread Mark Odette II
a problem. :) Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:01 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653] On the other hand, who's more likely to show up to work late? Or show

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Thompson Alton
Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Do you remember LU and PU and logic controllers?? Do they all work the same as IP networks or VOIP and IP telephony networks? Do you know all the traffic in your data network??? You seem to be bitter about something. Do you want someone with 20 years

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Hartnell, George
Shucks, folks, 'most everyone knows that the real world has its moments. Users. They generally provide considerable exposure to that which is perceived as real. 'Course, it's always nice to have a test-bed; but I think lab rat is a different definition. So, perhaps to lighten things up,

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Peter van Oene
Why do you folks bother arguing these useless points? If you lost a job to someone who had less experience than you or vice versa, don't cry foul, go learn how to interview or reevaluate exactly what it is you bring to an employer and make sure you are getting that across. At 03:56 PM

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Jason Forrester
Peter, your a genius very good point. Jason CCIE 8748 Peter van Oene wrote: Why do you folks bother arguing these useless points? If you lost a job to someone who had less experience than you or vice versa, don't cry foul, go learn how to interview or reevaluate exactly what it is you

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Thomas Larus
I thought the experience versus certification debate had finally died a few days ago, but now it resurfaces over on the professional list. I may as well weigh in. The problem here is clear. Some folks with lots of experience are scared (or merely offended) that some manager or client might

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Last but certainly not least, how many mainframe guys know IP networking. You provide me a list?Answer is very few. Not where I work. I know and have worked with quite a few mainframe guys (and at least one extremely knowledgeable mainframe gal - although I'm not sure she'd appreciate the

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread adam lee
and Lab Rats [7:44653] Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Do you remember LU and PU and logic controllers?? Do they all work the same as IP networks or VOIP and IP telephony networks? Do you know all the traffic in your data network??? You seem to be bitter about something. Do you want someone

RE: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Priscilla Oppenheimer
At 03:56 PM 5/21/02, Thompson Alton wrote: Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Yes. (And if you were asking Howard, the answer is emphatically YES ;-) Do you remember LU and PU and logic controllers?? Yes. Do they all work the same as IP networks or VOIP and IP telephony networks? Yes,

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread nrf
Amen to that. Humility is called for on both sides. Apparently I've been tagged around here as the 'King Experience' guy. The very ironic thing is that on another message board, I was the person who was arguing that experience was NOT as important as other posters had indicated (this was an

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On the other hand, who's more likely to show up to work late? Or show up drunk or high? Or get into a fight with his coworkers? Or surf porn in front of female coworkers? The guy who's been in the working world for 25 years or a new kid? Umm, off-topic, but enlighten me, please. Why is it

Re: Logic and Lab Rats [7:44653]

2002-05-21 Thread Mike Mandulak
At 03:56 PM 5/21/02, Thompson Alton wrote: Do you remember Mainframe systems??? Yes. (And if you were asking Howard, the answer is emphatically YES ;-) HeHe! Heck I was doing some file transfer troubleshooting on a Mainframe towards the end of last year, I got elected because I knew the