Very hard question to answer. It makes sense that static typing would
help, but in practice I never seem to get defects that are related to
types. Ergo, Clojure's approach to typing works well, and the code stays
very minimalist.
On Nov 8, 2011 12:52 AM, Sean Corfield seancorfi...@gmail.com
The main thing to keep in mind is that when coming from java/scala,
you'll have a hard time adjusting to clojure, and you're making it
harder by trying something so inherently full of state. I understand
the need to tackle problems that we like, but without a good
understanding of the
In his code I did notice he doesn't use destructing very much.
where would that have been useful?
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Am 07.11.2011 10:18, schrieb Dennis Haupt:
In his code I did notice he doesn't use destructing very much.
where would that have been useful?
defn x [{:keys [foo bar]} param]
instead of
defn x [param]
(let [foo (:foo param)...])
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Am 07.11.2011 08:00, schrieb Sean Corfield:
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
if by compatible you mean has a specific set of functions and fields,
then scala can do that without sacrificing static type safety:
Yes, I started working with Scala
On Nov 7, 9:14 am, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
The main thing to keep in mind is that when coming from java/scala,
you'll have a hard time adjusting to clojure, and you're making it
harder by trying something so inherently full of state. I understand
the need to tackle
On Nov 7, 12:41 pm, Milton Silva milton...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:14 am, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
The main thing to keep in mind is that when coming from java/scala,
you'll have a hard time adjusting to clojure, and you're making it
harder by trying something
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.comwrote:
Am 07.11.2011 10:18, schrieb Dennis Haupt:
In his code I did notice he doesn't use destructing very much.
where would that have been useful?
defn x [{:keys [foo bar]} param]
instead of
defn x [param]
Am 07.11.2011 14:01, schrieb Milton Silva:
On Nov 7, 12:41 pm, Milton Silva milton...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 7, 9:14 am, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
The main thing to keep in mind is that when coming from java/scala,
you'll have a hard time adjusting to clojure, and
Am 07.11.2011 14:02, schrieb Scott Jaderholm:
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com
mailto:d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 07.11.2011 10:18, schrieb Dennis Haupt:
In his code I did notice he doesn't use destructing very much.
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.comwrote:
Am 07.11.2011 14:02, schrieb Scott Jaderholm:
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:27 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com
mailto:d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 07.11.2011 10:18, schrieb Dennis Haupt:
On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 4:20 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
which is a good thing. type safety is good.
Is it?
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I remember having the same frustrations some time ago. Not that they
are gone now. :)
It obviously depends on the tool, and these code analysis you describe
you get only in IDEs. I don't know what tool you are using now, but
you have them all described in the Getting Started page (http://
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Am 06.11.2011 11:33, schrieb Razvan Rotaru:
I remember having the same frustrations some time ago. Not that
they are gone now. :) It obviously depends on the tool, and these
code analysis you describe you get only in IDEs. I don't know what
tool
I have a hunch (as oppose to IME as I don't have any yet :)) that
Clojure doesn't require as much due to at least the following points:
- there is much less incidental complexity and ceremony required to
manage (and therefore refactor)
- implementations in Clojure require more thought and are
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Am 06.11.2011 13:44, schrieb Colin Yates:
I have a hunch (as oppose to IME as I don't have any yet :)) that
Clojure doesn't require as much due to at least the following
points:
- there is much less incidental complexity and ceremony required
But aren't the edge cases fewer given the notion that functions
should be entirely defined by their inputs as oppose to being
dependant on mutable state external to he function, in the most part.
I am agreeing with you, and find these real world experiences incredibly useful.
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special cases that depend on mutable state are evil. i avoid mutable
states as much as possible, no matter which language i am using.
what i meant were cases where i roughly think about 3/4 of all cases,
start coding and along the way i notice that in
I suspect programming in clojure effectively is as much about changing
the *way* you develop as much as it is about about the shape of the
solution. It sounds as if you are suggesting this is so.
I am about to start my first clojure project tomorrow which is to
replace an existing web app which
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Am 06.11.2011 18:11, schrieb Colin Yates:
I suspect programming in clojure effectively is as much about
changing the *way* you develop as much as it is about about the
shape of the solution. It sounds as if you are suggesting this is
so.
yes.
On Sunday, November 6, 2011, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
this is a double edged sword. you *do* get it right *if* you think it
through, but reality is often more complex than you assume. if you
suddenly see that you forgot to handle special case x, you are
punished harder than
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Am 06.11.2011 19:06, schrieb Sean Corfield:
On Sunday, November 6, 2011, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com
mailto:d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
this is a double edged sword. you *do* get it right *if* you think it
through, but reality is often more complex than you assume. if you
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
let me guess: you had some classes that were used more than they should
have been because they were the best match and introducing a better one
would have taken more time - and since they could do so much, they were
Am 06.11.2011 20:56, schrieb Sean Corfield:
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
let me guess: you had some classes that were used more than they should
have been because they were the best match and introducing a better one
would have taken more time
The problem with Java is you can write a ton of it easily with Intellij (my
facorite IDE), but Intellij cant read that code for you, so now you have a
novel to wade through when the code is revisited.
On Nov 6, 2011 11:49 AM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
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Am 06.11.2011 22:00, schrieb Alex Baranosky:
The problem with Java is you can write a ton of it easily with Intellij
(my facorite IDE), but Intellij cant read that code for you, so now you
have a novel to wade through when the code is revisited.
after some time, your brain will filter the
On Nov 5, 12:16 pm, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
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hi,
i'm half done with my asteroids clone. i stumbled over a few problems
and wanted to know how others already solved them :)
i am used to less concrete programming. i ask my
In terms of Clojure refactoring tools the ones that looks most
promising to me are Emacs with Paredit, Swank, and Slime and,
hopefully as it matures, Clojure-refactoring (https://github.com/
joodie/clojure-refactoring).
Chas Emerick did a blog post last year that talks about what he would
want in
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Milton Silva milton...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 5, 12:16 pm, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
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hi,
i'm half done with my asteroids clone. i stumbled over a few problems
and wanted to know how
On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Dennis Haupt d.haup...@googlemail.com wrote:
if by compatible you mean has a specific set of functions and fields,
then scala can do that without sacrificing static type safety:
Yes, I started working with Scala in 2009 and it's certainly much
better than Java
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hi,
i'm half done with my asteroids clone. i stumbled over a few problems
and wanted to know how others already solved them :)
i am used to less concrete programming. i ask my tools to do the
actual analysis and coding for me:
* where is that used?
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