On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 22:59:24 +0100
robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > However, at the same time, this goes for the English documents, too.
> > (By the way, really the jakarta PMC is reviewing whole jakarta
> > subprojects' websites even written in english?)
> this is one of the
On Friday, July 18, 2003, at 11:40 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Very good points I think.
1. Legal risk
2. where to start as a first step
1.
Sure, I think if the ASF hosts the translated websites, we (sorry: I
prefer to use *WE* when indicationg the ASF) have to think about the
of translations. I
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:31:10 +0100
(Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization project)
robert burrell donkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> IMHO a major stumbling block is that a pmc cannot adequately
> supervise the committing of patches unless they there are sufficient
> fluent
elf to be more enthusiastic, but I really don't see
> the point of having the incubator at this moment in time.
>
> david
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [
On Wednesday, July 16, 2003, at 05:03 PM, Joerg Pietschmann wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I think that "bringing together a group of volunteers who are not coders,
and who may not even be experts on one particular project outside its
documentation, but who are able to provide translations" would be
> I set up the translated mirror site in my company's host
> (jakarta.terra-intl.com), but if there is *completely
> consistent infrastracture* in apache.org, I am willing
> to put the contents on it.
You are asking, I believe, about support for MultiViews. For any given
page, P, there could be P
Joerg Pietschmann:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I think that "bringing together a group of volunteers who are not
coders,
> > and who may not even be experts on one particular project outside its
> > documentation, but who are able to provide translations" would be great,
but
> > that's not a proje
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I think that "bringing together a group of volunteers who are not coders,
and who may not even be experts on one particular project outside its
documentation, but who are able to provide translations" would be great, but
that's not a project.
I think one part of the "infrastr
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:27:06 -0400
(Subject: RE: [i18n] Internationalization project)
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> As Thom May said, "the commits will have to be performed by individual
> projects, a place for translation teams to coordinate, develo
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:27:13 -0400
(Subject: RE: [l10n] localisation infrastructure (was Re: [i18n]
Internationalization project))
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was thinking on the l10n making "doc commits" a
> > Fair enough. So basically if you have an innovative idea/concept don't
> > bother calling the ASF?
>
> What is innovative about i18n? Come on David, put your fricken thinking
> cap on on stop acting like a baby. All code changes have to be approved
> by the project responsible for the code.
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 19:23:50 +0200
(Subject: [l10n] localisation infrastructure (was Re: [i18n]
Internationalization project))
Santiago Gala <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think the original proposal was purely about i18n technology for java.
> But the discussion drifted into tr
> I was thinking on the l10n making "doc commits" and "properties
> commits", ... themselves, and having means to track *both* the
> source document (in the original project cvs) and the translated
> documents (???).
That would be possible if they were invited to have Commit access to a
project's
If the purpose is to come up with a common XML schema (for the sake of
discussion) and common tools, I don't see it as being a TLP. Each project
will need to have its own resources using the common format and tools.
Does a DTD/schema and a set of common language bindings/utility libraries
warrant
Fair enough. So basically if you have an innovative idea/concept don't
bother calling the ASF?
What is innovative about i18n? Come on David, put your fricken thinking
cap on on stop acting like a baby. All code changes have to be approved
by the project responsible for the code. Likewise for doc
David N. Welton escribió:
"Roy T. Fielding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Personally, I think that creating a project that consists of people
that want to work on other projects is a bit weird. Why don't you
just ask for a mailing list? The actual commits will have to be
made by the specific proje
> i18n isn't a code project. It isn't even an documentation project.
> In fact, there doesn't even seem to be any reason for it to be a
> project.
> Why would incubator have anything to do with it?
You'll forgive me is I find that a somewhat shallower attitude than I may
have expected :(
> I was
"Roy T. Fielding" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Personally, I think that creating a project that consists of people
> that want to work on other projects is a bit weird. Why don't you
> just ask for a mailing list? The actual commits will have to be
> made by the specific projects, not by an ube
Hi
* Roy T. Fielding ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> >OK, well I had a discussion last night with some folks from the
> >incubator
> >PMC and frankly it upset me. It was one of those evenings when you
> >realise
> >how crap organisations can be and makes you wonder why you bother with
> >them
> >:
OK, well I had a discussion last night with some folks from the
incubator
PMC and frankly it upset me. It was one of those evenings when you
realise
how crap organisations can be and makes you wonder why you bother with
them
:( I really wasn't impressed.
i18n isn't a code project. It isn't even
riginal Message -
From: "Robert Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization project
>
> David - sorry - my intention wasn't to invite people to Jakarta General
from here, but to see where it should b
Robert Simpson wrote, On 15/07/2003 14.18:
If this is to possibly become a top-level Apache project, where should it be discussed?
In the Incubator we will accept for Top Level projects only those that
have a big and solid community around them.
For all others, there needs to be a sponsoring PMC
David - sorry - my intention wasn't to invite people to Jakarta General from
here, but to see where it should be moved, somewhere "above" JG, as indicated
by the discussions there. If this is to possibly become a top-level Apache
project, where should it be discussed? (Up to now, I've primari
How's about Apache Commons?
FWIW, we have some code in James that might be useful for in this area.
Yes, the James code is written in Java, but the real offering is the XML
resource format, and the operations.
--- Noel
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:53:30 +1000
Conor MacNeill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:52 am, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > For me, proposed project whose final target (destination) is TLP itself
> > would not fit to the incubator charter.
> AFAIK, the incubator is for all new code co
> On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:46:21 +0100
> (Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization project)
> "David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I really don't think placing such a project anywhere but the incubator
makes
> > sense...
>
> For me, propo
On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:52 am, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> For me, proposed project whose final target (destination) is TLP itself
> would not fit to the incubator charter.
AFAIK, the incubator is for all new code coming to Apache whether it is
destined for an existing project or it becomes a new Ap
On Mon, 14 Jul 2003 15:46:21 +0100
(Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization project)
"David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really don't think placing such a project anywhere but the incubator makes
> sense...
For me, proposed project whose final target (desti
:46:21 +0100
(Subject: Re: [i18n] Internationalization project)
"David Reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> Thanks for cross-porting, but please don't try to invite people to
> jakarta-general@ from this list! This list has a wider audience and as any
&g
Robert,
Thanks for cross-porting, but please don't try to invite people to
jakarta-general@ from this list! This list has a wider audience and as any
internationalization project will fail in it's objectives unless it is used
across the entire of the ASF the community@ list would appear to make mo
-1 this would exclude possible interested international folks. We should
keep the discussion on a list open to everyone!
On 7/14/03 2:21 AM, "Robert Simpson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To: Community@Apache.org
>
> On the Jakarta General list, we've been discussing the possibility of
> introdu
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