if they are connected, then there isn't anything to be decidet.
Well, there was already the hint that gmane or Google Groups can do
exactly that *or even do it* (mirror the mailing list in a Web based
forum-like view). But apparently it did not find enough acceptance
(including myself).
i imagine this mail2forum provides some sort of "[Subforum]"-tag
before each e-mail. To answer to a thread, simply answer the last
mail of that thread. To start a new topic, just write "[Subforum]
New Topic Name" as Subject of the mail. At least i would implement
it this way. And if it isn't
Am 26.07.2007 um 08:06 schrieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
"
...
So when an official forum is blessed by someone, please make sure
it is
a forum that has a *bidirectional* email gateway. Anything else is
simply sub-standard for my usage patterns.
...
"
-- Rod Whitby
-- MokoMakefile author
Mail2For
Am 25.07.2007 um 21:14 schrieb Giles Jones:
Hi,
I was thinking, there's a few people who are spending time hacking
away at HTC devices to get Linux running on them. While it is
commendable they would be better to help us with OpenMoko.
Maybe we could appeal to them if we're not already o
Am 26.07.2007 um 17:53 schrieb Harald Welte:
Hi!
Since we're now working on the "phase 2 neo", i.e. what is now known
officially as "Neo1973 GTA02", I'd like to address one issue:
For many information in the public wiki, it is not clear whether it is
1) general information about the openmoko
OpenMoko-0.5 or whatever scheme is already in place.
-2007 and -2008 so far. We might have 200x.y at some point.
Hm. I think using year-names is not a good choice for software
versions (mainly talking about stable releases).
It psychologically forces you to do one major release every year.
Harald wrote:
So you probably wouldn't save more than USD 50 (maximum) that way.
And
for that, you have all the risk of some assembly problem?
So, 450 - 50 USD = 400 USD for a kit...
Am 29.07.2007 um 21:07 schrieb Kyle Bassett:
I am curious, what do you estimate the cost (as a percentage
I know there are some MacOS users here. Let's get together and write
down some notes on using Neo1973 with your Macs. I started
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X where you can already find some
interesting information and references to other sites.
I know that Linux guys (geeks ;) very often
2007 um 16:35 schrieb Giles Jones:
On 31 Jul 2007, at 20:35, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
I know there are some MacOS users here. Let's get together and write
down some notes on using Neo1973 with your Macs. I started
http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MacOS_X where you can already fi
Am 03.08.2007 um 08:20 schrieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Actually, speaking as someone who imports electronic components and
peripherals for prototype systems from the US all the time, I do
know what to expect when I import.
Importation of computer devices and peripherals to the EU is indeed
Great!
Am 07.08.2007 um 11:45 schrieb Simon Moore:
I've managed to get dfu-util compiling and running natively (via
MacPorts) on Mac OS X, albeit with one patch (bug #672) and one
dirty little sed hack.
Yes, I also had to patch two NULL pointer dereferences.
Hopefully this will work for o
Am 07.08.2007 um 11:45 schrieb Simon Moore:
I've managed to get dfu-util compiling and running natively (via
MacPorts) on Mac OS X, albeit with one patch (bug #672) and one
dirty little sed hack.
Hopefully this will work for others - let me know if you have
success, or improvements to su
Am 07.08.2007 um 13:50 schrieb Simon Moore:
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
One more question - how did you manage that dfu-util is not
blocked by the AppleUSBCDC driver which also tries to bind to the
same USB interface?
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Am 08.08.2007 um 13:01 schrieb Igor Foox:
Hi,
I've successfully used Nikolaus Schaller's AJZaurusUSB and
OpenMoko Flasher applications to flash a new rootfs onto my new
Neo. But I can't flash a new kernel into it. When I try flashing a
kernel with OpenMoko Flasher it tries to write it i
Does anybody have the same experience?
The symptom is that I sometimes get the correct exit status and
sometimes a 255 - for the same repeated command. i.e.:
$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
0
$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
255
Using ssh -vvv shows that the debug messag
7;s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$ ssh -l root 192.168.0.202 true ; echo $?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
255
MacBook-hns:~ hns$
Am 11.08.2007 um 09:05 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
Does a
Hi all,
is anybody out there who could share a working kernel binary for the
GTA01b4 with hardfloat compiled in?
Many thanks,
Nikolaus Schaller
Am 15.08.2007 um 17:22 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
Am 14.08.2007 um 19:43 schrieb Brian Brunswick:
On 14/08/07, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
There is a new version of OpenMoko Flasher: http://wiki.openmoko.org/
wiki/MacOS_X#Flashing_to_your_device
New features:
* supports multiple parallel downloads
* added progress bar(s)
* shows console output of dfu-util directly in a Text View
* separately remembers which package has been flashe
After unsuccessfully flashing different root-filesystems, I finally
found this note:
If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it
won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then
upload your rootfs first:
cu -l /dev/ttyACM0
GTA01Bv3 # nand erase rootfs
T
Hm,
in other words: everybody should subscribe (listen) to all other
lists to post questions in the correct sublist...
This is IMHO a very strong argument for a Forum system where you have
to register only once, but can change between topics easily - even if
new ones come up.
Just my 2 c
Am 21.08.2007 um 12:46 schrieb Harald Welte:
On Tue, Aug 21, 2007 at 11:19:57AM +0200, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller
wrote:
Harald,
please calm down. I know from your blog how upset you are from
setting
up the new office location, networks and servers during Taifun time.
in fact that was
Am 21.08.2007 um 10:39 schrieb Harald Welte:
Please don't bring up the forum debate again.
We have heared all the arguments.
We will not have a forum as long as I have any role in this project.
All FOSS projects that I've ever been involved in 10+ years FOSS
development use mailinglists, ver
Am 21.08.2007 um 17:13 schrieb andy selby:
If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it
won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and then
upload your rootfs first:
cu -l /dev/ttyACM0
GTA01Bv3 # nand erase rootfs
This *should* help but I am trying to underst
Am 21.08.2007 um 19:23 schrieb John Seghers:
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
After unsuccessfully flashing different root-filesystems, I finally
found this note:
If you upload rootfs image that is smaller that previous one it
won't work - you need to attach to bootloader, erase NAND and
OpenMoko Flasher 1.3 (for MacOS X) is now available: http://
www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko%20Flasher
Am 21.08.2007 um 09:35 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
Ah, I see.
I will add a feature that one can change the list of repositories
in the Preferences...
In the meantime, you can
I am quite sure that there will be others who are longer in the business
(like http://www.handheld-linux.com to name one I know very well) to
resell
the GTA02 from within Europe.
But we must be aware that reselling needs some more margin for
handling all these
duties, tax, repacking, shippin
As a Mac user/developer this might attract your interest:
http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko-Edition
http://www.quantum-step.com/wiki.php?page=Presentations
Am 05.09.2007 um 07:47 schrieb Christ van Willegen:
On 9/4/07, Jimmy McMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If you think you
Well,
if you have a touchscreen, why restrict to 9 buttons?
Basically, you end up in a handwriting recognition like xstroke:
http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/full_papers/
worth/worth_html/xstroke.html
which also uses 9 fields. Maybe this article helps to improve your
app
Am 09.09.2007 um 20:28 schrieb Dylan McCall:
The Neo is indeed behind the iPhone in almost every tech spec
except one: Openness.
And:
- replaceable standard battery - even compatible with Nokia batteries
- integrated GPS (well, does not yet work)
- much higher screen resolution (pixels per s
Dear all Mac users with a Neo,
I have now found time to add a GPL license and make a source package.
You can find it at http://www.dsitri.de/wiki.php?page=OpenMoko%20Flasher
I would be happy if you could submit patches so that OpenMoko Flasher
can be improved further.
Happy OpenMoko Flashing
Am 22.09.2007 um 19:11 schrieb Joshua Layne:
Sean Moss-Pultz wrote:
Dear Community,
...
Preferable this webshop should not be written in PHP. Either Perl,
Python or Ruby would be fine by us.
Hi Sean,
This may be a stupid comment (and feel free to ignore it if it is),
but why build your
Am 23.09.2007 um 10:21 schrieb Krzysztof Kajkowski:
2007/9/23, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The "standard" Open Source Web Shop is OSCommerce (http://
www.oscommerce.com/).
The only requirements it does not solve are
* it is witten in PHP
* it has its ow
If you make use of a PHP framework then it is perfectly possible to
use a clear MVC concept.
Yes, it *is* possible, but that is not the point here to discuss
possibilities. The topic is about which Webshop technology sould be
used by OpenMoko.
It appears that oscommerce doesn't use MVC in
2007/9/23, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
The "standard" Open Source Web Shop is OSCommerce (http://
www.oscommerce.com/).
in fact we had developed a web shop even before the gta01 sales
started
and in the end put it into a deep, black hole.
yes it was bas
Just for the record, those are tablets, that weight more (i.e: they
have more battery life thus power) that can take such overhead. N800
Why do you assume that X is overhead that needs more weight and
battery capacity?
X11 is also using the same framebuffer as others are using. It is
just a
Am 25.09.2007 um 17:20 schrieb Dani Anon:
But hey I like how you conveniently left unanswered my comment about
how the FBUI and DirectFB projects exist solely to remove the X server
overhead. Can you explain to me and them why they are wrong and how
they have wasted all those months of developm
I think there is a place for both Openmoko and Qtopia. Useful
features and possibly even entire applications can be cloned/ported
back and forth between the platforms. Artwork, sounds, etc can
easily be shared.
There is even place for more options to discuss.
E.g. Objective-C + GNUstep + X
Friend,
which type of drugs do you use to loose reality and fairness?
People have different views on the world (even without drugs). And
different goals for their life (e.g. Earn lots of $$$ vs. Freedom for
Everything). Therefore, their conclusions what is correct and the
"right" thing is d
SIEMENS had shown such a display speaker at CeBIT 2002.
Here a German blog entry with some photos and descriptions:
http://www.usp-forum.de/prototypen-classics-limited-editions/15744-
display-speaker-phone.html
Am 02.10.2007 um 08:52 schrieb Sven Klomp:
I didn't thought about the subject.
Dear all Mac based developers and GTA01 owners,
after Apple has announced an SDK for native applications on the
iPhone (I assume it will allow to write .app bundles with Xcode), I
think I should mention (again?) that we are already working on a
Cocoa compatible Objective-C based SDK for th
Hi Community
Hi, welcome!
When is the exact release date of GTA01Bv4? The new Neo phone
Do you mean the GTA02? There is no announcement yet.
And just for my curiosity: how do you define "exact release" date?
a) the first announcement that you can order
b) the first device did leave the pro
I must admit that I can't follow the "patience" idea.
Some facts:
* FIC is a commercial company and they want to sell devices to finaly
make money
* impatience generates market demand - patient people wait forever.
This is no good business model.
What happens if the impatient people buy an
Good idea.
Traditionally, many newsgroups and mailing lists have monthly
reminder/updates/FAQ postings automatically sent out to all
subscribers...
Am 26.10.2007 um 08:48 schrieb Evgeny Ginzburg:
Michael Shiloh wrote:
Jeff,
That's a great idea. I'll look into implementing this.
Thanks,
M
Am 29.10.2007 um 00:41 schrieb Doug Sutherland:
Open hardware means availability of schematics and gerbers,
Are they available for the Neo?
Really open hardware would be if you get all the files to produce
your own silicon :-)
not source code, and this is not open hardware. Driver code
is s
Sorry,
I did copy the wrong link. Here is the correct one for the LCD-PDA
module.
http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download/
Am 29.10.2007 um 00:41 schrieb Doug Sutherland:
Open hardware means availability of schematics and gerbers,
Are they available for the Neo?
Really open hardware wou
Am 07.11.2007 um 19:08 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl:
On Wednesday 07 November 2007 18:23:18 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
You need not buy many units yourself
Didnt know they had Angstrom for it. That sure helps. But how do
you get
Angstrom onto the board? Do you need JTAG for that? Or can it boot
from SD or
USB the way it's shipped?
According to
http://www.compulab.co.il/x270em/download/x270-em-linux-doc.zip
it appears tthat it can boot and f
Am 07.11.2007 um 17:20 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Anyone has an idea of another phone-pda that can at least allow to
compile your own programs?
I need phones for customers as service modules so they need to be
able to run Linux and be open enough to accept compilers for
Console program
That's a shame.
Have a look at the upcoming GSM-enabled h/w from Unicon Systems:
http://www.uniconsys.com/
Good pointer, and already available. But...
- 32 MB SDRAM
- 32 MB flash
- Screen:
- TFT LCD QVGA 3.5'' 16M color screen
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Am 07.11.2007 um 17:42 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Problem is I dont want to buy a lot of $750 US units if I could
just develop on e.g. gphone or iphone which will be way cheaper.
You need not buy many units yourself - there is an idea for a group
purchase. So if you can convince (many) ot
Am 05.12.2007 um 13:41 schrieb Gabriel Ambuehl:
On Wednesday 05 December 2007 13:07:11 Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
handling cost, credit card processing cost, etc. And finally some
compensation for the time we spend doing this instead of other
things. The largest single cost component is
Hi all,
we all love choice and openness.
Currently, there is only the GTA01 available for OpenMoko and the
GTA02 still needs some time. This has raised the search for
alternatives. Especially the Wireless PDA module EM-X270 from
Compulabs was discussed positively - except for its missing
Am 05.12.2007 um 22:36 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I'm able to ping the phone and my laptop, too.
But I can't connect to the internet: when I use ipkg update or the
web browser, nothing...
Looks like your laptop has no appropriate entry in its routing table
to forward traffic from your Ne
I did not know they charge you extra for SMS in the US, since SMS
is the data transfers that happens between pressing the 'call'
button and the connection to the other phone (actually SMS was a
hack found out by Nokia people back in the '90's)
It was part of the GSM standard right from the
dual-SIM slot in their products. And both SIMs are active at the same
time!
It requires two GSM modems inside Neo. That closes this issue.
Here is a description what dual SIM means and why: http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_SIM
-- hns
---
Am 16.12.2007 um 21:54 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz:
Dnia niedziela, 16 grudnia 2007, Ben napisał:
I can't hold out any longer.
I need a PDA that will work as reliably as possble, have a few
options
for easy automatic sync (with Mac or Linux) or at least automatic
backup. I will be using it
Am 16.12.2007 um 23:38 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz:
Dnia niedziela, 16 grudnia 2007, Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller napisał:
Am 16.12.2007 um 21:54 schrieb Marcin Juszkiewicz:
Any recent Windows Mobile PDA then.
Fortunaltely, there is no need to do such a strange move for a
Mac&Linux ad
05.12.2007 um 13:07 schrieb Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller:
Hi all,
we all love choice and openness.
Currently, there is only the GTA01 available for OpenMoko and the
GTA02 still needs some time. This has raised the search for
alternatives. Especially the Wireless PDA module EM-X270 from
Compulabs was
I postponed buying the neo, because the things i would do with it
will include networking (wifi) and i would really like to play with
'accelerometers'. But reading the presentation i was sure that
hardware was, for that version "usable".
A good example what I mean in my previous post. A GTA
I certainly know that. But it says:
- proper power management (i.e. no reasonable battery life yet)
There is this tiny "yet". It suggests that it - the GTA01 - is
going to
have a reasonable battery life in the future. And that's not going
to be
the case.
I think that this sentence was wri
Something interesting - could be good to see in GTA03:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8925554018.html
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Am 10.01.2008 um 21:29 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
Yeah, cool. Can you toss this up on the wiki in the appropriate
section?
If someone can help me to tell what "the appropriate section" is...
Dr. H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote:
Something interesting - could be good to see in G
Am 10.01.2008 um 22:20 schrieb Michael Shiloh:
We're still testing the hardware and gathering up little issues
before determining whether we need to create another version of the
board. We still expect to start shipping Neo FreeRunner sometime in
the next few months. As always, we can't be
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