[CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
I was at the library yesterday afternoon. While I was there, I read an article in an issue of "Wired" that discussed the cubicle-type workplaces where so many work in the field of computer programing and coding. The article was dealing with the fact that many of the workers who toil in these pl

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread Tony B
Hardly News. The US enjoyed many years of great affluence after being the sole 'winner' of WW2, but aside from that this 'virtual slavery' has always been the norm. Gives you a great admiration for the labor organizers, until someone points out that's socialism and must be stamped out at all costs.

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Tony B wrote: > Hardly News. The US enjoyed many years of great affluence after being > the sole 'winner' of WW2, but aside from that this 'virtual slavery' > has always been the norm. Gives you a great admiration for the labor > organizers, until someone points o

[CGUYS] In Los Angeles

2009-11-24 Thread Marcio
Here I am in my daughter's place in LA. Can you imagine? Almost was not able to make the trip: from Belo Horizonte to Miami, 7.30 hours...the from Miami to LA 5.30 hours...squeezed there...in the back... But now here I am with my "expertise" trying tp fix their computers. One HP Quadcore and a

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread Tony B
Okay, I think I see the 'new' take on it. Or, at least I see it from Wired's perspective. Around here it's got nothing to do with extra hours. It's construction jobs being lost to 'Mexicans' (anyone that speaks spanish). I've heard it from both sides though - the employers complain the local guys

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Tony B wrote: > Okay, I think I see the 'new' take on it. Or, at least I see it from > Wired's perspective. > > Around here it's got nothing to do with extra hours. It's construction > jobs being lost to 'Mexicans' (anyone that speaks spanish). I've heard > it fr

Re: [CGUYS] Dead desktop computer -- what is likely the matter?

2009-11-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Steve at Verizon wrote: > Don't know how long ago she got the HP, but I just purchased one and there > is an HP provided utility to burn a 3 DVD set which will restore the machine > to its factory settings; i.e. the OS and the other junkware programs. I know > Len

Re: [CGUYS] ATT keeps whining, Apple attacks

2009-11-24 Thread John Duncan Yoyo
On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM, mike wrote: > Yeah...we all know hundreds of people who have died of second hand > smoke...oh wait, that's right there are none. Blah. Snobby machines for > snobby people fixed by snobs working for snobs. Apparently these users > didn't read the snob clause whe

Re: [CGUYS] In Los Angeles

2009-11-24 Thread Tony B
If you have to send a lot of faxes, do it on the internet. Note that most people can take email now, so faxes may not be necessary. Are you sure the Epson is shared on the network? Does either machine see it? Do they both see shared folders on each other? On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Marcio

Re: [CGUYS] ATT keeps whining, Apple attacks

2009-11-24 Thread mike
I know plenty of smokers who didn't get lung cancer, doesn't mean smoking doesn't cause it. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:33 PM, John Duncan Yoyo wrote: > On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:43 PM, mike wrote: > > > Yeah...we all know hundreds of people who have died of second hand > > smoke...oh wait, that

[CGUYS] M & M

2009-11-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
Microsoft and Murdoch have apparently decided to go into business together. What a perfect pairing. The two entities that both aspire to rule the world are joining forces. http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2009/s2751572.htm **

[CGUYS] microsoft pays to pla...er screw us

2009-11-24 Thread mike
http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2009/11/24/the_plot_against_google/index.html The gist of the article that MS will pay companies to de-list from google search, Murdoch among others is apparently on board. The one catch in this is that there are hundreds if not thousands of low

Re: [CGUYS] M & M

2009-11-24 Thread mike
HA! beat you to the post. I linked a Salon piece though..good catch. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 12:46 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: > Microsoft and Murdoch have apparently decided to go into business > together. What a perfect pairing. The two entities that both aspire > to rule the world are

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread Constance Warner
Hate to pour gasoline on the fire, but pretty nearly every type of job can be outsourced, shipped abroad, contracted out to a contract worker (who's actually an employee, but who doesn't get any benefits and perks), given to an illegal, or--a Washington area favorite-- assigned to an unpaid

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread Reid Katan
Quoting "phartz...@gmail.com" : current job. He leaves for work as the sun rises and usually never gets home until after dark. He has not taken a single day of vacation in the two years he has now worked for this new employer. His hobby and personal interests languish through disuse and being

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread Chris Dunford
> I really wonder, though, why employers are treating programmers (and > other computer professionals) so badly--it's not in their long-term > best interests or their enlightened self-interest.They depend on > you guys--they can't do ANYTHING without you. Besides, an editor > with a grudge can

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread mike
You have seen the unemployment numbers right? I'm not saying this is good, but if my choice is working my ass off and feeding my kids or not having a job. Easy choice. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Reid Katan wrote: > Quoting "phartz...@gmail.com" : > > current job. He leaves for work as

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread db
In my opinion, the answer to your last question is ... the one that has been around forever... since the middle ages ... since the stone age ... since the dawn of time. If leaders/ bosses/ chiefs of countries, towns, corporations, companies, can lead "others" to make a profit for themselves,

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread C Ballinger
At least we don't have to worry about putting gas in the car or paying the mortgage. cb via iphone. _ On Nov 24, 2009, at 16:32, mike wrote: You have seen the unemployment numbers right? I'm not saying this is good, but if my choice is working my ass off and feeding

Re: [CGUYS] In Los Angeles

2009-11-24 Thread Brian Jones
There may be a phone jack from the old phone system in each room... connect the cable modem's phone line to the wall jack, and all the jacks in the house will be active. You may want to disconnect the old wires going to the outside world, as they cause a reduction in the signal strength.

Re: [CGUYS] ATT keeps whining, Apple attacks

2009-11-24 Thread tjpa
On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, mike wrote: I know plenty of smokers who didn't get lung cancer, doesn't mean smoking doesn't cause it. Of course! Fits the WFB MO 2 a T. * ** List info, subscription management, list r

Re: [CGUYS] microsoft pays to pla...er screw us

2009-11-24 Thread tjpa
On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:47 PM, mike wrote: The gist of the article that MS will pay companies to de-list from google search, Murdoch among others is apparently on board. Are you trying to get me to take back what I said about M$ not being able to innovate? I have said in the past that when

Re: [CGUYS] M & M

2009-11-24 Thread tjpa
On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:46 PM, phartz...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft and Murdoch have apparently decided to go into business together. What a perfect pairing. The two entities that both aspire to rule the world are joining forces. Murdoch has already effectively removed itself from Google as far

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread b_s-wilk
I've worked with many people like that. Surprising thing is that they're mostly libertarian types who shudder at the thought of having union membership and protection. Even a professional association to negotiate contracts is an anathema. Most don't even have contracts. They're their own worst

Re: [CGUYS] In Los Angeles

2009-11-24 Thread tjpa
On Nov 24, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Brian Jones wrote: Come on, Microsoft... this is not rocket science! This should work! Why do you keep changing the printer network protocols and breaking the printer drivers? Because they think it is funny to watch their customers have to scramble. As long

Re: [CGUYS] Dead desktop computer -- what is likely the matter?

2009-11-24 Thread tjpa
On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:10 PM, Robert Carroll wrote: By now, she might have tried the HP recovery program, don't know. Any advise? When I encounter a PC that is highly polluted I boot from a diagnostic CD and run my repairs from there. Your computer may contain one or more root kits that wi

[CGUYS] Opera web browser 'censors' Chinese content

2009-11-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
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Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread tjpa
On Nov 24, 2009, at 9:27 PM, b_s-wilk wrote: I've worked with many people like that. Surprising thing is that they're mostly libertarian types who shudder at the thought of having union membership and protection. Even a professional association to negotiate contracts is an anathema. Most don

Re: [CGUYS] In Los Angeles

2009-11-24 Thread tjpa
On Nov 24, 2009, at 9:05 PM, Brian Jones wrote: 2. The way it is I am trying to make the Laptop to print in the Epsom printer that is connected to the HP...through the wireless network. Have tryig all I think I knew...can't do it!... Some WIFI access points include a print server. Not expens

Re: [CGUYS] Gulag?

2009-11-24 Thread phartz...@gmail.com
On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 10:08 PM, tjpa wrote: > That's why there is such a vast propaganda engine pushing these ideas -- > stuff like Fox News. Too often I encounter working people whose thoughts > have been thoroughly clouded. They support exactly those things that run > counter to their interes

Re: [CGUYS] microsoft pays to pla...er screw us

2009-11-24 Thread mike
Well it's not a dirty trick, friend of mine on irc said it was unethical. It's not either, it's paying for a job to get done. But as I said, they are just screwing users in the end. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:13 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:47 PM, mike wrote: > >> The gist of the arti

Re: [CGUYS] ATT keeps whining, Apple attacks

2009-11-24 Thread mike
Re-read what I said, wilbur. Unless you think smoking doesn't cause lung cancer, then you read it a-ok. On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 7:11 PM, tjpa wrote: > On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:43 PM, mike wrote: > >> I know plenty of smokers who didn't get lung cancer, doesn't mean smoking >> doesn't cause it. >>