from what i have read Mandrakesoft is a victim of runnaway vc managers
that burned cap faster than it could be produced
speaking of which i hope the "managers" in question got a real close
"national haircut" for their stupidity
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On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 16:05, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 19:51, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > One point I'd like to make is that you use the word irrevelant quite
> > excessively, mostly when you don't want to mentally encompass the other
> > person's point of view; the other person i
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 19:51, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > > He was talking about your comparison of the situations not being fair,
> > > not about fairness in the business world with regard to Mandrake's IBM,s
> > > and Red Hat's financial decisions. You know that and so does everybody
> > > else. Joh
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 06:31, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 05:16, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 07:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
> >
> > > > > and Red Hat both make the same decision and don't appear to be filing
> > > > > for bankruptcy protection...
> > > >
> > > >
On Friday 17 January 2003 00:02, J. Greenlees wrote:
> so, besides the bankruptcy protection application, maybe Mandrake can
> look at other mainframe manufacturers to see if any of them would be
> willing to invest in Mandrake, as IBM did with SUSE.
The reason why IBM gave money to SuSE was that
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Le Vendredi 17 Janvier 2003 12:04, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 16:49, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
> > > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to
> > > be profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets
On Friday 17 January 2003 06:55 am, Buchan Milne wrote:
> Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 05:16, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
>
> This is a
>
> > capitalist market, SuSE and Red Hat are MandrakeSoft's most significant
> > direct competitors, and they're both doing better financially. That'
Can these discussion on a technical mailing list be stopped ? Maybe we need a
mandrake-general-discussion. I can go to /. if I want such discussions of
half informed people trying to profiling themselfs.
moved to /dev/null in future
Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 05:16, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
This is a
> capitalist market, SuSE and Red Hat are MandrakeSoft's most significant
> direct competitors, and they're both doing better financially. That's
> just cut and dried fact, no matter how "fair" it is.
That's debat
On Fri, 2003-01-17 at 05:16, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 07:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > > > and Red Hat both make the same decision and don't appear to be filing
> > > > for bankruptcy protection...
> > >
> > > Redhat have millions left over from a sucessful IPO, and SuSE hav
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 16:49, Rolf Pedersen wrote:
> > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to be
> > profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near bankruptcy)
> > through normal business operations. If not, it deserves to fail. This is
> > the logic of ca
[snip]
> As far as IBM bailing out SUSE, that was also another first. They were
> the first of the majors to approach bankruptcy, I would hedge bets that
> if Mandrakesoft was the first approaching Bankruptcy, then IBM may well
> have bailed out Mandrake and SUSE would be declaring Chapter 11 style
SI Reasoning wrote:
~snip~
As far as IBM bailing out SUSE, that was also another first. They were
the first of the majors to approach bankruptcy, I would hedge bets that
if Mandrakesoft was the first approaching Bankruptcy, then IBM may well
have bailed out Mandrake and SUSE would be declaring C
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 23:16, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 07:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
>
> > > > and Red Hat both make the same decision and don't appear to be filing
> > > > for bankruptcy protection...
> > >
> > > Redhat have millions left over from a sucessful IPO, and SuSE hav
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 07:03, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > > and Red Hat both make the same decision and don't appear to be filing
> > > for bankruptcy protection...
> >
> > Redhat have millions left over from a sucessful IPO, and SuSE have recently
> > recived a shitload of cash from IBM (to stop
Adam Williamson wrote:
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
Could it be?
http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192
What does it mean?
It means that they have some breathing room and clearance from their
debtor
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 13:50, Leon Brooks wrote:
> On Thursday 16 January 2003 05:47 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
> > We might all feel a bit safer though if Mandrake's cvs were rsynced to
> > an independant location (or more than one), so if the worst does come to
> > the worst, all source code revision
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 03:58, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > It means that they have some breathing room and clearance from their
> > debtors so that they can continue business as almost normal. It also
> > means that we need to buckle down and try to make this company some
> > money any way we can.
>
On Thursday 16 January 2003 05:47 pm, Buchan Milne wrote:
> We might all feel a bit safer though if Mandrake's cvs were rsynced to
> an independant location (or more than one), so if the worst does come to
> the worst, all source code revisions are still accessible ... instead of
> what could be pi
On Thursday 16 January 2003 02:23 pm, SI Reasoning wrote:
> For one, I don't think Mandrake wants to stiff its investors,
> that could severely cramp any post-Mandrake company. So my best guess is
> that they will bargain some of the debt down to something more realistic
> to todays economy and con
On Thursday 16 January 2003 04:25 am, Thomas Backlund wrote:
> LETS MAKE SURE THAT THE MDK 9.1 RELEASE
> IS THE BEST EVER...
The most bugless ever. Report early, report often! Never give in! (-:
Cheers; Leon
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> Le jeu 16/01/2003 à 11:55, Pascal LACROIX a écrit :
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> > Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 09:58, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > > On Thu, 200
Le jeu 16/01/2003 à 11:55, Pascal LACROIX a écrit :
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> Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 09:58, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> > On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
> > > > Could it be?
> > >
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 11:54, John Allen wrote:
> > Uh, how is that normal business operations? Mandrake makes a business
> > decision to make a version of its distribution available for free,
>
> Mandrake is a commercial software company, with a free edition of their
> product. I believe whislt
On Thursday 16 January 2003 11:24, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 10:16, John Allen wrote:
> > > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to
> > > be profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near
> > > bankruptcy) through normal business operat
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 10:16, John Allen wrote:
> > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to be
> > profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near bankruptcy)
> > through normal business operations. If not, it deserves to fail. This is
>
> Ok then, lets assu
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 10:04, Levi Ramsey wrote:
> On Thu Jan 16 9:28 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > Uh, no, thanks for playing. I've been reading The Register since the
> > middle of the dot.com boom, I know all about various types of bankruptcy
> > (protection) ;). I was just considering worst
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Le Jeudi 16 Janvier 2003 09:58, Adam Williamson a écrit :
> On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
> > > Could it be?
> > >
> > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1
On Thursday 16 January 2003 08:58, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> > On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
> > > Could it be?
> > >
> > > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192
> > >
> > > What does it mean?
> >
> > It me
On Thu Jan 16 9:28 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> Uh, no, thanks for playing. I've been reading The Register since the
> middle of the dot.com boom, I know all about various types of bankruptcy
> (protection) ;). I was just considering worst case scenarios.
Looking at worst case scenarios is not
SI Reasoning wrote:
> As far as I can
> tell, the current structure of Mandrake looks fine and if worse came
> to worse... they could bankrupt Mandrake, take all of the open source
> code and start another company without the debt load. But that has its
> risks too. For one, I don't think Mand
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 09:24, Levi Ramsey wrote:
> On Thu Jan 16 8:58 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to be
> > profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near bankruptcy)
> > through normal business operations. If not,
On Thu Jan 16 8:58 +, Adam Williamson wrote:
> MandrakeSoft is a commercial software company. It ought to be able to be
> profitable (or at least not burn cash so fast it gets near bankruptcy)
> through normal business operations. If not, it deserves to fail. This is
> the logic of capitalism,
On Thu, 2003-01-16 at 05:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
> > Could it be?
> >
> > http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192
> >
> > What does it mean?
>
> It means that they have some breathing room and clearance from their
> debtors
It is a waste of energy at this point. Chapter 11 type bankruptcies does
not mean a company is going under. The debt is restructured so that it
can be paid off without breaking the company. As I understand things,
Mandrake expects to start turning a profit this year.
If I were to lay a guess, it
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
> Could it be?
>
> http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192
>
> What does it mean?
It means that they have some breathing room and clearance from their
debtors so that they can continue business as almost normal. It also
mean
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 22:43, OS wrote:
> > And this is not the place to discuss it.
> It's as good a place as any, considering how much love, time and money we've
> all put into it.
>
> Owen
I've always said on the Expert list and elsewhere; if Linux goes away,
so do all the Linux lists. Same t
;
> To: Edward Tandi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [Cooker] Mandrake Broke?
> Date: 15 Jan 2003 15:23:09 -0500
>
> On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
> > Could it be?
>
> Bankruptcy protection != bankrupt.
> http://www.mandrakesoft.com/compan
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Date: 15 Jan 2003 15:23:09 -0500
On Wed, 2003-01-15 at 15:01, Edward Tandi wrote:
> Could it be?
Bankruptcy protection !=
Viestissä Keskiviikko 15. Tammikuuta 2003 22:01, Edward Tandi kirjoitti:
> Could it be?
>
> http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192
>
> What does it mean?
IMHO it gives the management and the developers some
"breething space", atleast until the summer, since if MDK 9.1
ships
Could it be?
http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=192
What does it mean?
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