Re: [css-d] Floating tables

2005-07-19 Thread Kelly Miller
Christian Heilmann wrote: what is wrong with Short Short Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long and p.shorttext{ float:left;width:8em;} Tables for non-tabular data is hard

Re: [css-d] Firefox not showing background image in isolated code

2005-07-19 Thread matt andrews
On 7/19/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > See picture here of Firefox and IE. > http://webmarksonline.com/temp/test.gif > > What you see in IE is what I want. > > Why is Firefox not rending the background image of this page here > http://webmarksonline.com/temp/test.htm > > Ther

Re: [css-d] Floating tables

2005-07-19 Thread Christian Heilmann
> > > >Short Short > >Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long > >Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long > > Long Long Long > > > > > >and p.shorttext{ float:left;width:8em;} > > > >Tables for non-tabular data is hard enough to take in fo

Re: [css-d] Floating tables

2005-07-19 Thread Kelly Miller
Christian Heilmann wrote: Short Short Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long Long and p.shorttext{ float:left;width:8em;} Tables for non-tabular data is hard enough to take in for

Re: [css-d] Floating tables

2005-07-19 Thread Paul Novitski
At 07:37 PM 7/18/2005, Bill Hely wrote: Table criticisms aside, is it possible to "float" a short narrow table into the top-right corner of a longer wider table, such that short&narrow looks like a column of long&wide? My aim is to have the text in long&wide flow around the bottom of short&narro

Re: [css-d] IE problems

2005-07-19 Thread Schalk Neethling
Thanks for the info David. David Laakso wrote: Schalk Neethling wrote: Greetings All I wonder how many posts has had that subject :) Anyway, I have a problem occurring in IE Win. Please have a look at the following page: http://www.volume4.com/caradvisory/index.html As you will see in IE

[css-d] Typography and CSS

2005-07-19 Thread designer
Could someone please recommend a book which deals fully with typography and web design (ie, CSS, primarily :-). I've Googled and got a zillion hits, mainly web sites of course, many concentrating on which units to use. What I'm after really is a book which covers typography in the same way tha

Re: [css-d] Typography and CSS

2005-07-19 Thread Schalk Neethling
An absolutely beautiful book is: *The Zen of CSS Design: Visual Enlightenment for the Web* By Dave Shea , Molly E. Holzschlag designer wrote: Could someone please recommend a book

RE: [css-d] CSS alternative for ALIGN attribute in LEGEND tag?

2005-07-19 Thread jérôme coupé
>Is there any CSS alternative to the deprecated ALIGN attribute of LEGEND? This attribute made possible the relative positioning of a LEGEND in a FIELDSET >on visual browsers. Possible values were top, bottom, left, and right. Hello There, The align attribute was deprecated in HTML 4.01. The al

[css-d] bizarre top margin exception behaviour in IE6

2005-07-19 Thread Julia Collins
This is a page I am developing to have a row of tabs at the top of the form area which link to other parts of the form, which are viewed as other pages. The page is at: http://www.we3.co.uk/for_james3/AIF_admin.htm relevant css is on: http://www.we3.co.uk/for_james3/AIF_admin_files/grants.

Re: [css-d] whatever:hover fast and easy via Dynamic Properties

2005-07-19 Thread Klaus Hartl
Jan Brasna wrote: It seems to be working only in IE 6.0. May someone else confirm this results? Yes. Many friends and colleagues reported it this morning. It fails on the { } JS block. Thats right. I hadn't tested in IE 5. There is another way to create an anonymous function in JavaScript

RE: [css-d] bizarre top margin exception behaviour in IE6

2005-07-19 Thread jérôme coupé
Hello Julia, I do not have time right now for a full check but I would go for the infamous guillotine bug described here (with fix): HTH, Jérôme Coupé --

[css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread Tanya Renne
So I've posted three things to this list and not gotten any response at all. I've helped out several others on issues - but no nibbles on my problems ... do I have the secret handshake wrong or something? -- Tanya Orchid Suites, Inc.

Re: [css-d] whatever:hover fast and easy via Dynamic Properties

2005-07-19 Thread Jan Brasna
Thats right. I hadn't tested in IE 5. There is another way to create an anonymous function in JavaScript and this one works in IE 5 as well. :-) Aaah, god bless you ;) I was playing two days with eval()s and dividing it to a function definition and a call etc. and no luck. This is great! --

[css-d] WIKI changes: BrowserBugs

2005-07-19 Thread Ingo Chao
I have made separate WIKI pages for some of the browsers, trying to provide at least one relevant external resource link. http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=BrowserBugs This is still an inadequate section of the WIKI. Thank you Ingo -- http://www.satzansatz.de/css.html ___

Re: [css-d] Firefox not showing background image in isolated code

2005-07-19 Thread Jim Davis
Try changing #wrap to this: #wrap { width: 750px; /*size to fit design*/ background-image: url(bodytexture.gif); display: table; } IE doesn't support display: table; so it is ignored. FF will render the background image as it should. Jim You said... > Why is Firefox no

Re: [css-d] Do classes cascade?

2005-07-19 Thread Michiel van der Blonk
I believe this person can better use http://www.w3schools.com. By your learning speed standards any newbie can learn CSS there in about 5 minutes. Seriously: after that you start looking up specific things on W3C; after three months you take the weekend, print the whole CSS2.1 spec and start an

Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread david
Tanya Renne wrote: So I've posted three things to this list and not gotten any response at all. I've helped out several others on issues - but no nibbles on my problems ... do I have the secret handshake wrong or something? What particular problems were you asking about? They let me in here w

Re: [css-d] Typography and CSS

2005-07-19 Thread Arlen Walker
On Jul 19, 2005, at 4:14 AM, designer wrote: Since so much of the web is about the presentation of text I feel sure there must be a book . . . Web Type Expert is the best book I know of dedicated to typography on the web. It's no better than mediocre on the subject, but the rest are wors

Re: [css-d] bizarre top margin exception behaviour in IE6

2005-07-19 Thread Julia Collins
Hi Jerome Thank you for this - I think it has solved my problem! The oddity was these are two floated elements, when the article seems to imply that the problem is with a floated and unfloated element in the same container but after much fiddling around, enclosing both elements in a ne

Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread Michael Cassidy
On Jul 19, 2005, at 8:40 AM, Tanya Renne wrote: So I've posted three things to this list and not gotten any response at all. I've helped out several others on issues - but no nibbles on my problems ... do I have the secret handshake wrong or something? Its hard to help when in every browser

[css-d] Looking for some menu advice

2005-07-19 Thread Michelle Tarby
I've put together a css-based menu which seems to cause intermittent problems for IE users. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions how to ease the problems they're experiencing or if this is just an isolated problem. Here's a sample page: http://www.lemoyne.edu/alumni/index.htm And

Re: [css-d] Typography and CSS

2005-07-19 Thread jeremy
http://www.markboulton.co.uk/journal/category/Typography/ You might check this out. I am not the best at using type, but I am good at illustration/drawing, and composition. This helped me to think about type a little differently... it got the ball rolling for me. The interesting part about it

Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread Ingo Chao
Tanya Renne schrieb: So I've posted three things to this list and not gotten any response at all. I've helped out several others on issues - but no nibbles on my problems ... do I have the secret handshake wrong or something? Don't know what handshake you are talking about. In "[css-d] float

Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread Ingo Chao
After researching http://www.ewriteonline.com/ , I think one option is to float both the green and the yellow box to the right, giving them an appropriate width. Both are already positioned relative and are perfect usable to establish containing blocks for absolutely positioning of the "e-wr

[css-d] Another vertical menu question

2005-07-19 Thread Justin Reid
Hey all, I'm having a problem with stacking order in MS-IE6. There's a horizontal menu at the top that displays vertical sub menus on roll over. The menus use relative and absolute positioning and display just fine except for the fact that in IE they appear under another element that has relative p

[css-d] Re: Bullet list-position problem with background-image

2005-07-19 Thread casmussen
Lacking a response from the list (I guess I don't ask questions well), I finally found a solution on my own and would like to share. My problem was SOMETIMES, default bullets appeared briefly and were then replaced by the custom bullets, but only in IE (see www.mobiledatasys.com). I replaced list-s

Re: [css-d] Typography and CSS

2005-07-19 Thread David Laakso
designer wrote: Could someone please recommend a book which deals fully with typography and web design (ie, CSS, primarily :-). I've Googled and got a zillion hits, mainly web sites of course, many concentrating on which units to use. What I'm after really is a book which covers typography i

solutions ... smaller problems Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread Tanya Renne
Okay - so here's what I learned and my deepest apologies beforehand - VALIDATE your css first - did that - silly of me not to before hand. Validates as CSS2 fine now ... should it validate as CSS3? Just a question. I also took the suggestion below (thanks Ingo) and implemented it - happily no

[css-d] Strange CSS Error in IE

2005-07-19 Thread Jim Jeffers
Hi folks, I was wondering if anyone can figure out what's going on here in IE. On the site I am working on: http://www.jltmobilecomputers.com/notyet/ If you browse through the site but then click the back button in IE the top half of the page does not load. Also, if you goto a page in IE and

Re: [css-d] Looking for some menu advice

2005-07-19 Thread Zoe M. Gillenwater
Michelle Tarby wrote: I've put together a css-based menu which seems to cause intermittent problems for IE users. I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions how to ease the problems they're experiencing or if this is just an isolated problem. Here's a sample page: http://www.lemoyne.edu/a

Re: [css-d] CSS alternative for ALIGN attribute in LEGEND tag?

2005-07-19 Thread Roberto Gorjão
Olá Jérôme, Thanks for answering. I've googled a bit and it seems that there is not an alternative, so we are obliged to stick with labels on the left side of fieldsets... I really couldn't believe in it, so I was looking forward for some inspired suggestion... Anyway, it's always possible to sim

[css-d] Re: IE6 shows extra space below menu item

2005-07-19 Thread metasilk
A while back, I'd written about a menu that had gone buggy in IE6/Win but was kosher in FF. Nandan and Riddle both replied, and I appreciate their suggestiosns! It turned out, however, that I didn't need "display:inline" nor to remove whitespace in the html file. Instead, I needed a width in the

Re: solutions ... smaller problems Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread David Laakso
Tanya Renne wrote: I also took the suggestion below (thanks Ingo) and implemented it - happily now it looks the same is everything but IE on the mac - so two questions: 1) how do I get the green and yellow bar to come up horizontal with the keyboard image on the left 2) in IE for mac (5.2) the

[css-d] Collapsible DIVs with nested floated elements

2005-07-19 Thread sonicDivx
Am I correct to assume that to have collapsible DIVS (display:block) that the nested DIVs with (style: float) that they also should have the property (display:block) set? __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.or

[css-d] Containers and floats

2005-07-19 Thread Skip Knox
I'm sure this is somewhere in the archives but I couldn't figure out how to construct the right search string. I have a site here: http://www.boisestate.edu/courses/latemiddleages/ The problem I have is that I very often have an image on the page (as in the above case) and if the image is too bi

Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread Felix Miata
Tanya Renne wrote: > So I've posted three things to this list and not gotten any response at > all. I've helped out several others on issues - but no nibbles on my > problems ... do I have the secret handshake wrong or something? Normally when I try to look at a site and find subatomic text (12p

RE: [css-d] Typography and CSS

2005-07-19 Thread Peter Williams
> From: designer > > Things like the relationship of sizes for > text/headings, which fonts are most 'readable/legible' etc etc. > I know it is not exactly what you want, but Joe Gillespie has some good typography for the web info at his web site. http://www.wpdfd.com/editorial/wpd0704news.htm#

Re: [css-d] The secret handshake?

2005-07-19 Thread Keith Burgin
Felix Miata wrote: Normally when I try to look at a site and find subatomic text (12px is 36% of the real size of my 20px default, 52% of my 10pt browser menu text: http://members.ij.net/mrmazda/auth/area76.html ), I don't bother to reply, because the font sizing issue has been discussed here ad

RE: [css-d] Floating tables

2005-07-19 Thread Bill Hely
> This is a question that might be easy to answer if you > provided a sample HTML page. Why don't you mark up > what you're talking about and post that? Most of the > time when I do that I answer my own question in the > process of preparing the test page. Actually I can give an existing exampl

[css-d] Extraneous lines on screen

2005-07-19 Thread Joseph Polanik
I have a table inside of a 'viewport' composed of elements in fixed positions on the screen. The table expands or contracts in length as the user toggles +/- symbols (javascript and the display: property do the work.) The problem occurs when the user expands the table enough to cause the scrol

[css-d] Centered with indent. Works on FF, not IE could use some help.

2005-07-19 Thread Terry Jeske
Hello, Working through CSS positioning frustration. I've spent more time tweaking this than coding the back-end -agh!!! Not sure if it is worth it. Getting close, but have what I hope to be the last issue. I have header and a footer divs that span the entire width of the viewport. I have a

Re: [css-d] Containers and floats

2005-07-19 Thread Steve Clason
On 7/19/2005 3:20 PM Skip Knox wrote: I have a site here: http://www.boisestate.edu/courses/latemiddleages/ I realize that, because I have floated the image right, it (or rather the div it's in) is not in the normal document flow. I don't want to set a minimum height on the container becau

Re: [css-d] Centered with indent. Works on FF, not IE could use some help.

2005-07-19 Thread Rahul Gonsalves
Hi Terry: I'm not sure if this will work for you, but removing the padding: 0 1em 0 1em; from the main block helped a bit. Try that out? I know IE implements the box-model wrong, so maybe somebody else can explain that more fully. Cheers, Rahul. Terry Jeske wrote: For some reason IE seems

[css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread Theresa Mesa
Okay, I'm beyond confused. My brain has melted from the heat and humidity. I think I'm going senile. http://www.mdh-test.com/perry/ http://www.mdh-test.com/perry/perry.css http://www.mdh-test.com/perry/includes/nav.html Navigation is in SSI. **I'd like to keep it there.** Right now, the a:hover

RE: [css-d] Floating tables

2005-07-19 Thread Paul Novitski
Bill, What you want to do is easy. First, stop using tables to lay out your text. You're correct about how to use floats, but you can't use them with tables. I'd try something like this: Table of Contents ...

Re: [css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread Al Sparber
From: "Theresa Mesa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Can someone please tell me how to do this? Please spell it out for me step by step, because I'm an idiot. I can't find anything on the web that tells me how to do exactly what I want to do. ProjectSeven had a bunch of stuff mixed up, like backgrounds, e

Re: [css-d] Centered with indent. Works on FF, not IE could use some help.

2005-07-19 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Terry Jeske wrote: http://www.buzzjeske.com For some reason IE seems to be doubling the indented margin on the left. Anyone have any ideas? Yes, it is indeed the 'margin-doubling bug' in IE/win :-) Cure - tested in your page: #mainBlock { display: inline; } Look for more info over at:

Re: [css-d] CSS condenser tool

2005-07-19 Thread !!blue
I know! Everytime I visit the site, something inside me dies a little. :-S I googled and found another one here: CSS Formatter and Optimiser/Optimizer http://cdburnerxp.se/cssparse/css_optimiser.php I haven't tested it though. ciao, Zulema On 7/19/05, Tanya Renne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [css-d] Centered with indent. Works on FF, not IE could use some help.

2005-07-19 Thread Terry Jeske
Awesome. Thank you so much. I have not posted a lot of questions here, but when I have the positioneverything.com site is usually cited. I wish they had a site search or something. Anyway. Off I go. Thx again. On 7/19/05, Gunlaug Sørtun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: [css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread Bruce Martin
Theresa Mesa wrote: http://www.mdh-test.com/perry/ All I want to do is swap out the white box gif with a blue box gif. Active page. Blue box. Non-active page. White box. Add a class to the Sections body Add an id to the list items ... ... ... ... ... Then reference them in the css

Re: [css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread jason zietz
But you'd have to have a different navigation file for each page to accomplish assigning the current page as the uberlink, which defeats the purpose of having an SSI for the navigation. From my experience, you'd have to write some code to detect which page your on, then assign the appropriate

Re: [css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread Theresa Mesa
Wait, the links are in a server side include, not on the page itself. The page is linking to the virtual include, so essentially, the information is the same on each page. Normally, this is a wonderful way of doing navigation, banners, and footers. Make one change, and it affects every page. How do

Re: [css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread Theresa Mesa
A little confused. You have me doing , but you're assigning IDs. Did you mean to write it that way? I'll check out the article tomorrow. Thanks! -- Theresa Mesa, http://mesadesignhouse.com "CSS is a wonderful terrible thing..." On 7/19/05 8:11 PM, "Bruce Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [css-d] Re: IE6 shows extra space below menu item

2005-07-19 Thread David Laakso
metasilk wrote: [...] Anyway, site draft is still here if you're interested. http://www.greenmountainaccess.net/~ktalmage/vyc/ Strangely, the products page now jumps wider in FF but not IE. Not sure if this is what yiu mean, but I get page shift in Moz on your site that may be due to some

Re: [css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread Al Sparber
From: "Theresa Mesa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Al Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "CSS-discuss list" Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [css-d] Uberlinks... Wait, the links are in a server side include, not on the page itself. The page is linking to the virtual include, so essen

Re: [css-d] Uberlinks...

2005-07-19 Thread Theresa Mesa
You guys rock. Thanks. I'll play with it in the morning. -- Theresa Mesa, http://mesadesignhouse.com "CSS is a wonderful terrible thing..." On 7/19/05 8:43 PM, "Al Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Use a body ID method. > > Leave your main link styles for the menu the way they are as