Tyler Durden wrote:
[...]
> Granted, Chonskty can be a little tiring on the ears
His voice seems to have mellowed over the years. I heard him on the
radio last week and he sounded just like Garrison Keillor :-)
Ken Brown
At 10:52 AM -0700 on 10/13/02, Bill Stewart wrote:
> (You may not remember, but there was a program from fortify.net
> that "fixed" 40-bit implementations of Netscape,
> and there was even a one-liner Javascript signature-line program
> that let you set Netscape to use 128 bits...
Not to mentio
At 01:06 PM 10/13/2002 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
>Oh yeah. Interesting. Of course, this would be done only.
>if the sender knew or supected how mass-scanning might be done.
>And so the existence of another level of heavier encryption ...
>might be a tip off that this is not simply a financial tr
>> > Our bombing of the sudanese
>> > pharmacuetical factory?
>>
>>Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual
>>deaths were one night watchman, "not tens of thousands",
If so, that's gross incompetence on the part of the US military,
since the official rationale for why we were cruise-missiling it
Sunder:
> > Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual
> > deaths were one night watchman, "not tens
> > of thousands", and he asserted that the
> > Sudanese government are the good guys in
> > the civil war, and their opponents
> > terrorists.
James A. Donald:
> And how many of their citiz
--- Tyler Durden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, you haven't given me a very convincing
> argument here. In most of his
> writings, Chomsky makes it clear that the deaths
> were not due to the bomb,
> but the loss of medicine (such as penecillin) in
> Sudan's only pharmecuetical
> factory.
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> "And of course you can package 'strong' encryption into a 'weak' encryption
> envelope, so you will only know that 'strong' encryption has been used after
> you've broken the 'weak' envelope."
>
> Oh yeah. Interesting. Of course, this would be done on
den <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: Echelon-like resources...
>Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2002 13:32:45 +0200 (CEST)
>
>On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
> > And indeed, in a world where most messages are fairl
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Sunder wrote:
> Of course, for all you and I really know that could have been an Anthrax
> factory cleverly disguised as as a pharmaceuticals factory, but we can put
> up rethorical questions and answers such as these for the next millenia
> and not get anywhere either.
Exac
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002, Tyler Durden wrote:
> And indeed, in a world where most messages are fairly weakly encrypted,
> bursts of strongly-encrypted messages will stand out all the more and
> possibly flag the need for other methods of investigation.
Doesn't figure: while it's easy to screen for
> Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual
> deaths were one night watchman, "not tens
> of thousands", and he asserted that the
> Sudanese government are the good guys in
> the civil war, and their opponents
> terrorists.
And how many of their citizens have or will die due to lack of tho
r dis-chomsky web page.
>From: James Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: was: Echelon-like resources..
>Date: Sat, 12 Oct 2002 11:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Tyler Durden
> > As for Chomsky lying, can you give us
> > some specific citations? Di
Tyler Durden
> As for Chomsky lying, can you give us
> some specific citations? Did he lie
> about our support for Sadam Hussein?
No
> Our support for Indonesia?
Yes
> Our bombing of the sudanese
> pharmacuetical factory?
Yes: The factory was bombed, but actual
deaths were one
ation.
But then again, I could be wrong, so do give us some examples, eh?
From: James Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources..
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 14:11:12 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > "Our overriding purpose, from the
use a lite form of cryptography (yes, such
as in Lotus Notes) on EVERY message they sent.
Or perhaps you've all discussed this before, but the responses I've seen so
far don't indicate that.
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROT
On Friday 11 October 2002 14:13, Trei, Peter wrote:
> If anonymous were a person of character...
Oxymoron, eh?
Pseudonymity has many socially acceptable features. Anonymity has all of
the practical benefits of pseudonymity and no additional advantages in
a conversational forum such as cpunks. A
You have to realize that there are any number of fedzis who subscribe to this
list, it's a well authenticated fact, matter of court testimony. And fedzis
aren't noted for brains, or even being able to read, which is why he attacked
you instead of me. And of course most fedzis positively foam at
At 02:11 PM 10/11/2002 -0700, James Donald wrote:
> > > > "Our overriding purpose, from the
> > > > beginning through to the present
> > > > day, has been world domination -
.
> > > > Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General
From: "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The Sun is an alternative
> > > > "Our overriding purpose, from the
> > > > beginning through to the present
> > > > day, has been world domination -
> > > > that is, to build and maintain
> > > > the capacity to coerce everybody
> > > > else on the planet: nonviolently,
> > > > if possible, and violently, if
> > > > necess
At 06:33 PM 10/11/2002 +0200, Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
> > majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is
> > conducted for the benefit of the
Here's the cite for the Ramsey Clark quote.
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 06:33:46PM +0200, Anonymous wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
> > majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about.
Anonymous wrote:
> >From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Durden lies, was: Echelon-like resources...
> >Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 18:33:46 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> >On Fri,
At 10:54 AM 10/11/2002 -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
Which returns to my original point: the "easy" availability of strong
crypto products does not mean it is unprofitable for an agency to continue
to push populations towards lighter forms of encryption.
Assuming that the agency's goal is to maxi
On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 10:29:53 -0400, you wrote:
>
> "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the
> majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is
> conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the
> masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler
OK, let's assume for the same of argument that it takes about 1 minute for
Echelon/NSA-like resources to break a weakly encypted lotus notes message.
And then let's assume that there's a whole LOT of these machines sitting
somewhere.
And as the grumpy Tim May has suggested, perhaps only a smal
Why the hell would anyone use lotus notes encryption for anything whatsoever?
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 09:37:52AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
> OK, let's assume for the same of argument that it takes about 1 minute for
> Echelon/NSA-like resources to break a weakly encypted lotus notes message
urden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Echelon-like resources...
>Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2002 09:39:01 -0500
>
>On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:29:53AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
> > Harmon Seaver wrote...
> >
> > > Why the hell would anyone
Harmon Seaver wrote...
>Why the hell would anyone use lotus notes encryption for anything
>whatsoever?
Lotus Notes or whatever, of course. The point here is that larger
organizations with decryption capabilities probably do not think on the
message-by-message level very often, just like c
On Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 10:29:53AM -0400, Tyler Durden wrote:
> Harmon Seaver wrote...
>
> > Why the hell would anyone use lotus notes encryption for anything
> >whatsoever?
>
> Lotus Notes or whatever, of course. The point here is that larger
Or whatever? What makes you think that anyon
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