Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-Oct-03, 04:20 (CDT), Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it's a historic injustice, Help! Help! I'm being repressed! The Man is keeping me down! Up with perl, down with make! Power to the people! Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making

Re: Bug#88029: Package which uses jam (instead make)

2003-10-19 Thread Steve Greenland
On 19-Oct-03, 13:03 (CDT), Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Oct 19, 2003 at 11:50:41AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: But it's a historic injustice, Help! Help! I'm being repressed! The Man is keeping me down! Up with perl, down with make! Power to the people! We

Re: docs, docs, and more docs(names of packages and location of files)

2003-01-17 Thread Steve Greenland
on my own. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: [devel-ref] author/homepage in description

2002-12-16 Thread Steve Greenland
-- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net

Re: Bug#39830: [AMENDMENT]: get rid of undocumented(7) symlinks

2002-11-13 Thread Steve Greenland
is still the most widely known unix documentation interface, new users may be helped by these pointers. Colin already volunteered to hack man to provide the pointers instead of a simple 'manpage not found'. Next! Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-21 Thread Steve Greenland
the alleged benefits of ash (small, loads faster on a slow/small memory machine). Why would I, Debian user, benefit from being able to run pdksh as /bin/sh? (Remembering that standards compliance, in and of itself, does not give me a sexual thrill.) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill

Bug#150456: coherency with mkfs and fsck filesystem package names

2002-06-19 Thread Steve Greenland
names, and it's much better to match that, so that when documents say build jfsutils then Debian users can just translate to apt-get install jfsutils. Manoj, AJ: See? I don't think everything needs to be in policy :-) Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-18 Thread Steve Greenland
. What is the purpose of Debian Policy? I always thought it was a way to decide/document choices, when more than one choice was reasonable, and when that choice affected other developers and our users. This subject falls into that definition, in my opinion. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-17 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Jun-02, 15:30 (CDT), Chris Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 16, 2002 at 02:17:12PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: It's not superfluous: if it's up to the developer, then they can move a binary from one to the other with no warning or discussion. Not if that binary has

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-17 Thread Steve Greenland
-- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world. -- seen on the net -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL

Re: RFD: Essential packages, /, and /usr

2002-06-16 Thread Steve Greenland
, as one can always work around any particular missing tool (or, if not, then we need to make sure that tool gets moved). Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying to take over the world

Bug#146023: suggested patch against policy, documenting libexec, or current custom on use of lib for binaries in lib* packages

2002-05-10 Thread Steve Greenland
, but something on the order of Hey, I need a place to put this extra perl script, hmmm, /usr/lib/perl5 looks good! Steve -- Steve Greenland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Working on debian developer's reference and best packaging practices

2002-05-09 Thread Steve Greenland
, but it was not completely clear to me. -- Steve Greenland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The meaning of must not modify wrt. passwd, shadow etc.

2001-12-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Dec-01, 07:14 (CST), Ben Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please CC me on all replies as I am not subscribed to this list. In Debian Policy 3.5.6.0 section 10.2.1 it says: Packages other than base-passwd must not modify /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/group or /etc/gshadow.

Bug#48045: normal and non-US names

2001-09-20 Thread Steve Greenland
, although not the proposal. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#112828: Example for using update-alternatives in package maintainer scripts

2001-09-19 Thread Steve Greenland
. While I share your pain, it's not a policy issue, but should go into the Developers Guide when that gets redone. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#112090: PROPOSAL]: support reduced footprint debs at build time]

2001-09-17 Thread Steve Greenland
particular options/features/chunks of the package they would choose. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#111025: debian-policy: typo in chapter 9: ldconfig and pre/post scripts

2001-09-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Sep-01, 06:59 (CDT), Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, what is it with all the Steves in this thread? :) Is your problem that there are so many of us, or that we seem to be excessively dim? I personally blame insufficient caffiene... Steve Greenland (No offense intended to Mr

Bug#111025: debian-policy: typo in chapter 9: ldconfig and pre/post scripts

2001-09-05 Thread Steve Greenland
On 05-Sep-01, 16:52 (CDT), Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vociferous Mole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So? Isn't it a bug? This isn't a case of a policy change creating a bug, but of a existing bug being highlighted by the policy clarification. It doesn't break anything, so it's not a

Re: Software Licenced Under a Specific Version of GPL

2001-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Aug-01, 16:22 (CDT), Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's consider the following proposal: The GPL file in base-files should better be renamed to GPL-2 and GPL should be a symlink pointing to it. [ The proposal is independent of whatever step may come afterwards if/once

Re: Software Licenced Under a Specific Version of GPL

2001-08-31 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Aug-01, 10:43 (CDT), Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 31 Aug 2001, Andrew McMillan wrote: To make it happen you should file a wishlist bug against the package which provides the GPL, asking it to provide it as a versioned file and symlink /usr/share/common-licenses/GPL

Re: Software Licenced Under a Specific Version of GPL

2001-08-30 Thread Steve Greenland
On 30-Aug-01, 03:12 (CDT), Ari Makela [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't like the idea of licencing my software under a licence I cannot know because it doesn't even exist so I tend to use GPL version 2. So should I just ignore the error message or should there be file

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Aug-01, 12:30 (CDT), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find this assertion in tension with the one you make later that the one line description should be targetted at people who _don't_ have any idea what the package is. Why would such people know what HTTP stands for? I

Bug#108416: Format of short description should be mandated

2001-08-15 Thread Steve Greenland
the word except between specifications and in. And protocol is misspelled. Steve [1] With the possible exception of the should be less than 80 characters clause. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#100631: Changing to ammendment

2001-06-28 Thread Steve Greenland
severity 100631 normal retitle 100631 [AMMENDMENT 28/06/2001] Restrict http access to /usr/share/doc bye This proposal has two seconds and no ammendments. Since it has generated no controversy, I'm setting the discussion period of 10 days, which will end on 8 July 2001. Thanks, Steve -- Steve

Re: Resolving policy and practice wrt sbin directories (traceroute)

2001-06-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 26-Jun-01, 23:02 (CDT), Rene Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do we really mean must for FHS compatibility if we are advocating ignoring its directives for the sbin directories? Will you *please* stop harping on this? A substantial percentage of us think we *are* following the FHS w.r.t.

Bug#36151: Clearing out old policy proposals

2001-06-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 27-Jun-01, 07:09 (CDT), Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Agreed. So should we close this bug report? Yes, please. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#36151: Clearing out old policy proposals

2001-06-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Jun-01, 17:36 (CDT), Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2001 at 09:08:10AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 21-Jun-01, 17:33 (CDT), Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scripts which use programs in a directory other than /usr/bin and /bin (and /usr/bin/X11

Bug#36151: Clearing out old policy proposals

2001-06-22 Thread Steve Greenland
to be running MacOS, not Linux. Please proceed from here.) As a particular point, note that if they are not considered standard, most init.d scripts will have to be modified add them to the path, as start-stop-daemon is in /sbin. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#23661: Bug #23661:

2001-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
This note is being sent as part of a project to clean out old ( 1yr) debian-policy proposals. If you disagree with action below please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to me, so that the discussion may be carried out publically in debian-policy. Feel free to re-open the bug while it's being

Bug#27205: Bug #27205:

2001-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
This note is being sent as part of a project to clean out old ( 1yr) debian-policy proposals. If you disagree with action below please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to me, so that the discussion may be carried out publically in debian-policy. Feel free to re-open the bug while it's being

Bug#36151: Bug #36151:

2001-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
This note is being sent as part of a project to clean out old ( 1yr) debian-policy proposals. If you disagree with action below please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to me, so that the discussion may be carried out publically in debian-policy. Feel free to re-open the bug while it's being

Bug#42870: Bug #42870: every alternative should be usable

2001-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
This note is being sent as part of a project to clean out old ( 1yr) debian-policy proposals. If you disagree with action below please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to me, so that the discussion may be carried out publically in debian-policy. Feel free to re-open the bug while it's being

Bug#43724: Bug #43724: experimental patch for very much faster dpkg -R

2001-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
This note is being sent as part of a project to clean out old ( 1yr) debian-policy proposals. If you disagree with action below please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED], not to me, so that the discussion may be carried out publically in debian-policy. Feel free to re-open the bug while it's being

Cleaning out old proposals

2001-06-13 Thread Steve Greenland
This is a summary of the status and disposition of many of the old ( 1yr) debian-policy proposals. Only bugs marked as fixed were considered; they were marked this way because they had been rejected or hadn't had any action in several months (stalled). If you disagree with my action, please

Bug#100631: [PROPOSAL] Restrict http access to /usr/share/doc

2001-06-12 Thread Steve Greenland
software was probably not a good idea. I'm asking for seconds. Steve Greenland -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#98291: being truthful about the FHS and us

2001-06-09 Thread Steve Greenland
... Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpr7wSSHnhHL.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [PROPOSAL]: encourage use of utf-8 in documentation and clarify encoding issues

2001-06-08 Thread Steve Greenland
be the maintainer's discretion. One suggestion: I think that last phrase might be better expressed as ...however, the documentation for any single package should use only one encoding. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe

Re: Bug#99714: dh_installexamples: install examples in /usr/share/$package/examples/ (with symlink from /usr/share/doc/$package/examples)

2001-06-02 Thread Steve Greenland
templates != examples. The former are covered by 11.7.3 (penultimate paragraph) , the latter by 13.7. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Steve Greenland
enough about various encoding to argue one over the other...) Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#99324: Default charset should be UTF-8

2001-06-01 Thread Steve Greenland
of parsing. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Is it allowed to remove old changelog entries?

2001-05-16 Thread Steve Greenland
, and most of those will fix them. Yes, there will be a very few stubborn idiots left. Deal with it. Life is like that sometimes. Sheesh. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Bug#97072: PROPOSED 2001/05/11] correct policy's comments on standards-version

2001-05-10 Thread Steve Greenland
complied when it + was last updated. The current version number is version;. /p p I second this proposal. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp7401VEp8RX.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Tasks policy

2001-05-08 Thread Steve Greenland
, roxen-group), so that one can do apt-cache search '-group' to find all those meta packages. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Finishing the FHS transition

2001-05-06 Thread Steve Greenland
an ammendent that clarifies reality, so that Adrian doesn't get mislead again :-). Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Bug#94827: tktable; Build-Depends: debhelper

2001-05-01 Thread Steve Greenland
members. See deb(5). (I suspect that support for signed debs implies more members, but not a change to the basic format.) Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Bug#94827: tktable; Build-Depends: debhelper

2001-05-01 Thread Steve Greenland
On 01-May-01, 12:19 (CDT), Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, May 01, 2001 at 11:45:42AM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: On 30-Apr-01, 14:33 (CDT), Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You could probably do without the latter two, but IIRC the deb format

Re: Bug#94827: tktable; Build-Depends: debhelper

2001-04-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 24-Apr-01, 05:25 (CDT), Herbert Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, I'm suggesting that build-depends could simply have an unversioned depends on debhelper. The buildds would then always[1] have the latest version of debhelper[2]. No effort

Re: Bug#94827: tktable; Build-Depends: debhelper

2001-04-23 Thread Steve Greenland
) that the discussion is not worth pursuing again. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Bug#94827: tktable; Build-Depends: debhelper

2001-04-23 Thread Steve Greenland
actual bugs in debhelper, of course. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: debian-policy_3.5.3.0_i386.changes INSTALLED

2001-04-23 Thread Steve Greenland
elsewhere. As a side note, did anyone else notice that dpkg-dev 1.8.3.1 containes a completely empty /usr/share/doc/dpkg-dev? Steve [1] Well, obviously I can tar it up and move it elsewhere...still annoying. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I

Re: Must and should again

2001-04-15 Thread Steve Greenland
to the point, we can have violate a MUST == RC Bug (modulo deliberate maintainer choice with good reason) but there is nothing in that says converse is true: there are lots of RC bugs that have nothing to do with policy. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent

Re: Must and should again

2001-04-12 Thread Steve Greenland
getting really confused by this whole thing, and I think that the RFC route is the far better known. I, for one, like Julian's proposal. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Bug#90511: proposal] disallow multi-distribution uploads

2001-03-31 Thread Steve Greenland
that the NMU'r and the developer didn't accidentally re-use the same revision number. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#91252: PROPOSED] enhanced x-terminal-emulator policy, second try

2001-03-31 Thread Steve Greenland
for this purpose. (Note that hardly any of the vt100 compatible terminal emulators are actually capable of doing a true VT100 terminal, there's lots of obscure (and rarely used) features, particularly weird keys.) Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: packages affected list for must changes to policy (was: Re: Bug#91257: [PROPOSED] changes to X font policy)

2001-03-28 Thread Steve Greenland
On 27-Mar-01, 23:57 (CST), Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 09:35:36AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: Encouraging I could agree with, particularly when the check could be automated against the Packages file. But even an automated check against

Bug#91261: PROPOSED] modernized rewording of X/Motif policy

2001-03-27 Thread Steve Greenland
to provide a statically linked version? Why can't they go in contrib (DFSG) or non-free (otherwise) with a dependency on OpenMotif, just like other non-free library using software? Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#91261: PROPOSED] modernized rewording of X/Motif policy

2001-03-27 Thread Steve Greenland
On 27-Mar-01, 12:09 (CST), Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:56:31AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: If OpenMotif is in the distribution, why do packages need to provide a statically linked version? Why can't they go in contrib (DFSG) or non-free (otherwise

Re: packages affected list for must changes to policy (was: Re: Bug#91257: [PROPOSED] changes to X font policy)

2001-03-26 Thread Steve Greenland
an automated check against the maintainer scripts is not feasible for most people, and a lot of checks are not possible to automate. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Bug#90511: new-proposal] (was disallow multi-distribution uploads)

2001-03-22 Thread Steve Greenland
uploaded to both dists hasn't changed in either dist anyway, so policy compliance won't *decrease*. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#90511: proposal] disallow multi-distribution uploads

2001-03-21 Thread Steve Greenland
-- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Bug#89473: PROPOSAL] dpkg-statoverride and Conflicts: suidmanager ( 0.50)

2001-03-14 Thread Steve Greenland
-- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] Allowing crypto in the main archive

2001-01-30 Thread Steve Greenland
country's laws. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Bug#76868: invoke-rc.d FINAL PROPOSAL

2001-01-19 Thread Steve Greenland
== constraints typo fix. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpEOWBLJkWjW.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: 60979@bugs.debian.org, 20373@bugs.debian.org

2001-01-18 Thread Steve Greenland
for the sysvinit package. Aren't these both superceded by Henrique's invoke-rc.d (#76868)? (Hmmm, don't see anything from Henrique since late November...) Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: changing priorities

2000-12-15 Thread Steve Greenland
sense to most of us, but lead to cries of censorship and cabal from those affected. No, I don't have a better solution right now, just picking holes. steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Bug#79538: FDL is missing from common-licenses

2000-12-15 Thread Steve Greenland
] Of course, reading debian-legal shows that most writers prefer to make up their own crappy licenses that don't do what they think they do and usually make things undistributable. Sigh. -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cleaning up our task packages

2000-12-08 Thread Steve Greenland
-* package would include in _its_ documentation a (brief) discussion of why each package was chosen, and a list of alternatives. steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Use $DEB_BUILD_DIR rather than parent directory?

2000-11-20 Thread Steve Greenland
if the package-building tools would place files in $DEB_BUILD_DIR if it is set. If it isn't, they will continue their current behavior of dropping them in the parent directory. I, for one, would like this feature. I'm vastly confused about why it would be a policy issue, though. Steve -- Steve

Re: Use $DEB_BUILD_DIR rather than parent directory?

2000-11-20 Thread Steve Greenland
On 20-Nov-00, 11:32 (CST), Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Previously Steve Greenland wrote: I, for one, would like this feature. I'm vastly confused about why it would be a policy issue, though. because it means all debian/rules files need to be changed to replace

Bug#76868: invoke-rc.d proposal)

2000-11-17 Thread Steve Greenland
of date, and needs to be fixed, but it's certainly not the same as start.) Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [RFC] Package build time config for installation directories.

2000-11-06 Thread Steve Greenland
there would be a lot more effort to follow this proposal than just sourcing the file and changing a few configure commands. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: [RFC] Package build time config for installation directories.

2000-11-06 Thread Steve Greenland
to enable this is something I think should be required (e.g. if someone files a bug that correctly solves this issue, you either accept the patch, or leave the bug open at normal severity). Fair enough. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list

Re: [RFC] Package build time config for installation directories.

2000-11-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 06-Nov-00, 13:35 (CST), Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Nov 06, 2000 at 10:58:30AM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: 1. Non-FHS ports. This seems to me a contradiction in terms. Marcus has weighed in with but HURD *is* FHS, and I don't see why other ports can't be as well

Re: RFC: initscript policy proposal

2000-11-01 Thread Steve Greenland
for now. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: RFC: initscript policy proposal

2000-10-31 Thread Steve Greenland
or doesn't, but I only did quick skim of the descriptions), and packages strongly urged to use it in the postinst, that would be a better solution. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: Priorities

2000-10-18 Thread Steve Greenland
so that other packages can depend on the presence of a specific function w/o depending on a specific package. If you want to provide such a function for the user (show me all the web browsers), implementing keywords would be a better, more useful choice. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL

Re: Priorities

2000-10-09 Thread Steve Greenland
on.) Someone (IanJ?) had a more detailed proposal for this a while ago, I'll see if I can dig it out. Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Bug#72980: virtual packages list layout

2000-10-09 Thread Steve Greenland
preprocessor that creates Postscript output postscript-viewer Anything that can display Postscript files Of what possible use are the -preview virtual packages? What would depend on any prepreprocessor that creates {PDF,PS} output? Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Priorities

2000-10-09 Thread Steve Greenland
On 09-Oct-00, 13:57 (CDT), Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au wrote: On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 12:13:47PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: preferred: The Debian preferred implementation of a common service that has multiple implementations (e.g. webservers, SMTP, mp3 players, etc

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-10 Thread Steve Greenland
. Hmm. Don't we all have task-debian-dev installed? I suspect a good many of us don't have *any* task-* packages installed, esp. if our initial install predates the task packages. Once one has a nicely set up system, why would I mess with the task packages? Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL

Re: Bug#70269: automatic build fails for potato

2000-09-01 Thread Steve Greenland
that should be listed everywhere that that build-depends is mentioned. /rant Why are people determined to make information so hard to find? Steve -- Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Please do not CC me on mail sent to this list; I subscribe to and read every list I post to.)

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-24 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Aug-00, 18:17 (CDT), Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Then why don't more package implement that policy? Because they're

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Aug-00, 23:12 (CDT), Daniel Barclay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some packages don't have a documentation directory at all. Then they are in violation of the Debian policy. Current policy requires that /usr/doc/package exist (possibly as a symlink to /usr/share/doc/package). Some others do

Re: Bug#62378: Redundant directory and package name

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Aug-00, 23:53 (CDT), Nicol?s Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the /usr/doc/foo symlink -- is foo-doc going to take care of that? What if I later install foo? Who gets to remove the link? I don't know, but this kludge is a secondary thing, and should not be

Bug#69487: the example for using nostrip in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is incorrect

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 20-Aug-00, 15:24 (CDT), Ben Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The nostrip check needs to be inside the debug check. Because of you are not compiling with debugging turned on, there's no reason to not strip the binaries. So (note, the blank should go first): ifneq $(findstring

Bug#69487: the example for using nostrip in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS is incorrect

2000-08-23 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-Aug-00, 16:26 (CDT), Franklin Belew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 02:59:39PM -0500, Steve Greenland wrote: While I agree with the philosophy, this code snippet is wrong, as it will add the -s iff DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS includes debug but not nostrip. This makes

Re: Bug#62378: Redundant directory and package name

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Aug-00, 18:27 (CDT), Nicol?s Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I subtly avoided those by specifying doc- rather than -doc :-) FWIW, I think we ought to come to agreement about the proper behaviour: right now I don't know *where* to look after installing foo-doc. Here

Re: Bug#62378: Redundant directory and package name

2000-08-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Aug-00, 21:02 (CDT), Nicol?s Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Think this: Do the docs document the docs? /usr/share/doc/mutt documents mutt, but /usr/share/doc/mutt-doc... documents... what? mutt-doc? Is a nonsensical place for documentation, I think. It only has some sense from a

Re: Bug#62378: Redundant directory and package name

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Greenland
On 21-Aug-00, 14:10 (CDT), Nicol?s Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Except that a package named doc-rfc will already have files in /usr/share/doc/doc-rfc (copyright and so forth), and so having others in /usr/share/doc/rfc is a little weird and unexpected. For you. Not for me. And I

Re: Bug#62378: Redundant directory and package name

2000-08-21 Thread Steve Greenland
On 21-Aug-00, 15:56 (CDT), Nicol?s Lichtmaier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I expect that when I install a package named doc-, all if its content is going to be in /usr/share/doc/doc-. The Debian standard, whether spelled out in policy or not, supports such expectation. That's a

Bug#27137: REJECTED] Clarification of non-free: packages encouraging donations with claims about non-donation

2000-07-06 Thread Steve Greenland
On 04-Jul-00, 18:05 (CDT), Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So are people happy with changing the wording of the last two lines to read: otherwise they must go in non-free. FWIW, I'm happy with that. steve greenland

Re: problem with emacs configuration scripts

2000-07-04 Thread Steve Greenland
On 02-Jul-00, 23:38 (CDT), Thomas Bushnell, BSG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Specifically, because the files are conffiles, they are not removed when the package is removed, and so the files stay around to continue to affect the behavior of emacs. This happened to me with the user-de and user-es

Re: 'editor' alternative policy?

2000-06-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Jun-00, 04:09 (CDT), Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I see in /v/l/d/a/editor is the priorities are random now. In my system, /bin/ae 20 /usr/bin/joe 70 /usr/bin/nano 40 (I copied from Pico, IIRC) /usr/bin/vim 20 And I don't think a priority of 70 conforms to any

Bug#36151: REJECTED] /etc/init.d scripts should specify an explicit PATH

2000-06-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 21-Jun-00, 13:17 (CDT), Julian Gilbey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brock Rozen suggested that init.d scripts should have explicit PATH=... settings. No-one commented on the idea. As I recall, there was a lot of discussion...although maybe it occurred in -devel before Brock formally proposed

Re: 'editor' alternative policy?

2000-06-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Jun-00, 17:54 (CDT), Jordi Mallach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Woo, thanks for the info. I tried to find something, but in that message pool it's difficult. It wasn't on any of the debian-* lists, just cc'd among the editor maintainers. That would be great, but I see a problem if we don't

Re: 'editor' alternative policy?

2000-06-22 Thread Steve Greenland
On 22-Jun-00, 20:15 (CDT), Carl R. Witty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Greenland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In fact, I wouldn't mind revisiting the idea that the vi clones should be ranked much lower. Anybody who want vi is going to type vi; somebody who is so new to unix that they type

Bug#65764: changelog shouldn't be in the copyright file

2000-06-18 Thread Steve Greenland
On 17-Jun-00, 22:57 (CDT), Brian Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [wrt content of README.Debian] Yes, but it should be general information of this type. I think that a detailed list of changes to the upstream source does not fit in here. When I see README.Debian, I immediately assume that

Bug#65764: changelog shouldn't be in the copyright file

2000-06-16 Thread Steve Greenland
On 16-Jun-00, 14:32 (CDT), Brian Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have always considered the copyright file as the place to go when one needed to determine what has been done to the upstream sources by the Debian maintainer. (In one sense, it is a summary of the .diff.gz file). It is

Bug#64437: PROPOSED] Must/Should/May in policy

2000-05-26 Thread Steve Greenland
On 23-May-00, 11:32 (CDT), Josip Rodin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 01:07:12AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote: - Packages can and should place scripts in + Packages may place scripts in tt/etc/init.d/tt to start or stop services at boot

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