Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: [snip

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 23:53, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:04 PM, Laurent Bigonville bi...@debian.org wrote: Le Mon, 1 Dec 2014 23:05:09 -0800, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com a écrit : On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 08

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 3 December 2014 at 01:18, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-02 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 3 December 2014 at 01:36, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 12/02/2014 at 07:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 18:05, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 02 Dec 2014, Scott Ferguson wrote: Depends on what 'you' call *default*. It implies a choice

Re: libc6-i386 vs libc6:i386 (for vpn client)

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 1 December 2014 at 23:15, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Vi, 28 nov 14, 12:50:56, Ross Boylan wrote: Judging from https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO, which doesn't seem current but is all I could find, if I'm on the amd64 architecture and want to support i386 I

Fwd: libc6-i386 vs libc6:i386 (for vpn client)

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Ferguson
Apologies - accidentally sent to Ross only -- Forwarded message -- From: Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com Date: 2 December 2014 at 08:07 Subject: Re: libc6-i386 vs libc6:i386 (for vpn client) To: Ross Boylan rossboy...@stanfordalumni.org On 2 December 2014

Re: libc6-i386 vs libc6:i386 (for vpn client)

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 04:31, Curt cu...@free.fr wrote: On 2014-12-01, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: .deb... ? Ross - are you trying to install JN Net Connect Java client for SA? I thought he was trying to install this: http://www.scc.kit.edu/scc/net/juniper

Re: Replacing systemd in Jessie

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 08:18, Patrick Bartek nemomm...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Dec 2014, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/30/2014 11:27 PM, Patrick Bartek wrote: I fear that once If? systemd is firmly entrenched in Debian ? Perl might be, but it seems a little hyperbolic to say systemd is

Re: XDG Standard is not evil

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 11:49, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Having just waded through this thread, My sincere sympathies. and then reading the standard itself, Based on what you are quoting - that's the Base Directory Specification, which is part of the XDG Standards I can

Re: XDG Standard is not evil

2014-12-01 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2 December 2014 at 15:24, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 2 December 2014 at 11:49, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Having just waded through this thread, My sincere sympathies. and then reading the standard itself, Based

Re: fsck fails with partition in use error after partition umount'ed

2014-11-30 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 30 November 2014 at 23:49, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2014 at 06:09:38PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 30 November 2014 at 17:47, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: I notice that /dev/sdb1, an ext4 partition on a USB drive has remounted read-only. I try

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 29 November 2014 at 17:06, Rick Macdonald rickm...@shaw.ca wrote: On 28/11/14 05:21 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 28 November 2014 at 16:08, Rick Macdonald rickm...@shaw.ca wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snipped Hey, thanks for all this! No worries. Thanks

Re: Image cloning software

2014-11-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 30 November 2014 at 04:39, Miroslav Skoric sko...@eunet.rs wrote: Is there a good software for Debian 7.7 as well as for Debian 6.10 that is capable to produce a multi DVD/CD image of a working system, in a way that such image can be used later as a DVD/CD installation media for 'cloning' on

Re: clamav-daemon broken after latest upgrade

2014-11-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 30 November 2014 at 08:59, Robert S robert.spam.me.sensel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm running a stock-standard installation of debian (7.7). I do regular security updates. snipped # dpkg-reconfigure clamav-daemon /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: clamav-daemon is broken or not fully installed #

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 30 November 2014 at 09:37, Marc Shapiro marcns...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/26/2014 01:05 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: 'Now' I regret not keeping the notes when I setup an iPhone rule for someone last year! :/ This time I will. I still get no device under /dev when I plug in the iPod

Re: Image cloning software

2014-11-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 30 November 2014 at 10:53, Catalin Soare lolinux.so...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 30, 2014 1:26 AM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 30 November 2014 at 04:39, Miroslav Skoric sko...@eunet.rs wrote: Is there a good software for Debian 7.7 as well as for Debian

Re: Creating a peculiar Live-CD

2014-11-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 30 November 2014 at 02:30, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Scott Ferguson wrote: On 29 November 2014 at 08:17, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 11/28/14, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: snipped chuckle I've just proved

Re: fsck fails with partition in use error after partition umount'ed

2014-11-29 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 30 November 2014 at 17:47, Joel Roth jo...@pobox.com wrote: I notice that /dev/sdb1, an ext4 partition on a USB drive has remounted read-only. I try umount /dev/sdb1 then fsck /dev/sdb1 fsck from util-linux 2.25.2 e2fsck 1.42.12 (29-Aug-2014) /dev/sdb1 is in use. e2fsck: Cannot

Re: Creating a peculiar Live-CD

2014-11-28 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 29 November 2014 at 08:17, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: Cindy-Sue Causey wrote: On 11/28/14, Richard Owlett rowl...@cloud85.net wrote: snipped chuckle I've just proved ( again ;/ ) that my writing lacks clarity. It's hard to describe a custom live CD in a single, small post.

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-28 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 29 November 2014 at 07:05, lee l...@yagibdah.de wrote: Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com writes: snipped On 22/11/14 20:50, lee wrote: Didier, you have *totally* missed the OPs point. BTW, since you assume that no systemd takeover Hyperbole much? ? the use

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-28 Thread Scott Ferguson
My apologies for the delay in replying. On 28 November 2014 at 16:08, Rick Macdonald rickm...@shaw.ca wrote: On 26/11/14 04:20 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 27/11/14 06:32, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 08:24 AM, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-27 Thread Scott Ferguson
snipped Quick comment (I will get back to this later today or early tomorrow):- grep ntfs /lib/udev/rules.d/*.rules /lib/udev/rules.d/80-udisks.rules:ENV{ID_FS_TYPE}==ntfs|vfat, \ If this does control the effect you note, (which is easy to determine), then it's simple to create a rule based

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
'Now' I regret not keeping the notes when I setup an iPhone rule for someone last year! :/ This time I will. On 26/11/14 14:04, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/24/2014 02:39 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Thanks for the replies. On 24/11/14 05:12, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:23 AM, Scott

Re: disk group (was ... Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?)

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 21:27, Chris Bannister wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 02:46:24PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: In which case I'd recommend:- *1.* uncommenting the user_allow_other line in /etc/fuse.conf *2.* changing the fstab line to:- LABEL=WinBackup /media/WinBackup ntfs-3g uid=1000,gid=1000

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 11:07, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 09:14, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 02:44:19AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: snipped Now, (I hope I'm not wrong on this.) It seems that the default GNOME installation required a graphics card with hardware acceleration

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd (now moaning about GNOME-ing)

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 21:17, Erwan David wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:41:45AM CET, Curt cu...@free.fr said: On 2014-11-26, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: So this means gnome now depends on non free drivers ? So in your opinion there are no open source hardware acceleration drivers in

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
Thanks for replying. On 27/11/14 02:24, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Sorry, I don't know what DE means! Desktop Environment e.g. GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc KFCE

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/11/14 01:30, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 26/11/14 12:46, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 26/11/2014 11:07 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: And *what do we know about the original customisation* that was made

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/11/14 06:32, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 08:24 AM, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 26/11/14 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snipped Sorry for replying to my own post... I see now that it's

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-26 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 27/11/14 02:46, Patrick Wiseman wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 10:24 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 09:30:27AM -0500, Patrick Wiseman wrote: happened. But the upgrade was of over a thousand packages. All I was trying to do was to provide

Re: iceweasel and dolphin

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 17:17, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote: Hi, I am getting crazy with iceweasel not opening dolphin for containing folders. Hi, I run Debian Wheezy, with some backports, Iceweasel 33.1, KDE4[*1] and *no* GNOME on this workstation. [*1] kdebase-bin 4:4.8.4-2 (heavily customised KDE

Re: Purging a package............... (best practise for SuggestsImportant)

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 21:33, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Ma, 25 nov 14, 14:25:13, Charlie wrote: Thank you for that information, it was most helpful. I decided to add: SuggestsImportant { false }; }; To the existing etc/aptapt.conf.d/01autoremove file. This may or may not

Re: iceweasel and dolphin

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 04:45, Matthias Bodenbinder wrote: Scott, you made my day! Your email helped me to solve the issue. Thanks a lot. dolphin was set as my default file browser: 2# xdg-mime query default inode/directory dolphin.desktop I followed your next advice to disable nautilus in

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 08:03, Rick Macdonald wrote: Well, many hours of googling, and running grep on my entire filesystem, have failed me this time. I'm running up-to-date wheezy. DE? How does one override or change to options fuse gives to ntfs-3g (if I have that right)? I have an NTFS

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 09:14, Chris Bannister wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 02:44:19AM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: Or, perhaps a general rule for default settings - safest/do no harm? [just a wild guess] Wouldn't it make more sense having the default meaning: guarranteed to work on the majority

Re: [OT] alternative to dsndynamic.com?

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 10:49, Howard Eisenberger wrote: On 2014-11-25, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: snipped Good thing. dnsdynamic stopped working again today. Seems they may have a systemic problem:- https://twitter.com/dnsdynamic snipped Regards, Howard E. Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 11:41, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 04:04 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 08:03, Rick Macdonald wrote: Well, many hours of googling, and running grep on my entire filesystem, have failed me this time. I'm running up-to-date wheezy. DE? Sorry, I don't know what DE

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
I missed some questions there :( On 26/11/14 14:46, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 11:41, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 04:04 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 26/11/14 08:03, Rick Macdonald wrote: snipped fuse doesn't seem to be a binary executable, Not by that name. /sbin/mount.fuse

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 12:46, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 26/11/2014 11:07 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: And *what do we know about the original customisation* that was made - which may have 'some' bearing on the badness of the upgrade/update defaults?? Oh, I get it, Patently, and demonstrably - you do

Re: [OT] alternative to dnsdynamic.com?

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 13:53, Chris Bannister wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 09:11:04AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Paul Scott wrote: On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 07:40:42AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November.

Re: How to override fuse args to ntfs-3g to set permissions?

2014-11-25 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 26/11/14 16:14, Rick Macdonald wrote: On 25/11/14 08:46 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Sorry, I don't know what DE means! Desktop Environment e.g. GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, etc KFCE. ?? https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=kfcesearchon=namessuite=allsection=all Gives me nothing

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 13:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: That is the huge majority of Debian users. Some will get a rude surprise when they upgrade and things don't work as expected. Apropos of what? That surprise from

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 11:36, Marc Shapiro wrote: ERROR: Pairing with device ea1f2a0800d76f91f9bc0d50d6620151d249e6a9 failed with unhandled error code -3 That's a plist error. What is the output of idevicepair -d pair (you may need to paste the output to paste.debian.net and provide a link to it in your

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
Thanks for the replies. On 24/11/14 05:12, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/23/2014 12:23 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: Briefly as it's been 40 degrees Celsius here and I've been outside working all day (almost beer o'clock) On 23/11/14 18:27, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/22/2014 04:09 PM, Scott Ferguson

Re: [OT] alternative to dsndynamic.com?

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 00:33, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: Hi, It seems dsndynamic.com bit the dust this weekend of the 23 of November. Is there an alternative of a free dsn server? Hugo noip.com is one of many - it's possible to use it with the debian package ddclient Do I use it? Yes. Is it

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 00:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork, or possibly another distro. But Debian will lose users. 1

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 00:53, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/24/2014 at 02:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 24/11/14 13:20, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/23/2014 8:42 PM, Ric Moore wrote: Like what?? I first installed systemd back when it was announced. I have yet to have a single problem with it. What

Re: Headless server just got suspended by updating systemd

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 01:03, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/24/2014 at 02:59 AM, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 08:58:46PM -0800, Matt Ventura wrote: I think the bug here IMO is that a system simply shouldn't *do* things in general without me telling it to. If I close the lid of my

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 01:57, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision. Possibly another fork

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 02:01, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:58 AM, Martin Read wrote: On 24/11/14 13:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: And exactly what is the Debian way to add custom (NOT customized pre-packaged) software to the system? As far as I can tell, the obvious things that go into the Debian

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 03:13, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 10:05 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 00:25, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip Yes, and while the Linux community continues, Debian will lose a lot of dedicated users due to this decision

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 03:26, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 10:52 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 25/11/14 01:57, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 8:54 AM, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/24/2014 2:56 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: snip snipped Do you expect customers to build .deb

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 03:36, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-24, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: Some of them came to Debian because it was one of the last holdouts. Is that a reference to a term used in a television show about the fictitious Wild West? I can only apologise of my

Re: Purging a package...............

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 13:02, Charlie wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:24:29 +0200 Andrei POPESCU sent: Because of this I set APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant false; in apt.conf I have no apt.conf but I do have an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d directory? Am I missing an apt.conf file and should one be

Re: Purging a package............... (and apt-config processing order)

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
CORRECTION On 25/11/14 14:25, Charlie wrote: On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:02:37 +1100 Scott Ferguson sent: On 25/11/14 13:02, Charlie wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:24:29 +0200 Andrei POPESCU sent: snipped Notes:- *Fragments are processed in alpha order (numbers, then the following letters

Re: Purging a package............... (and apt-config processing order)

2014-11-24 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 25/11/14 15:14, The Wanderer wrote: On 11/24/2014 at 11:03 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: I don't know whether /etc/apt/apt.conf is processed before fragments in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d - but I'd be interested in learning. Anyone?? Now that you bring it up, I'd be interested in that myself

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
Briefly as it's been 40 degrees Celsius here and I've been outside working all day (almost beer o'clock) On 23/11/14 18:27, Marc Shapiro wrote: On 11/22/2014 04:09 PM, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 23/11/14 09:50, Marc Shapiro wrote: My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like

Re: systemd-free alternatives are not off topic.

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/11/14 19:07, Andrew McGlashan wrote: On 23/11/2014 11:14 AM, John Hasler wrote: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI writes: But they are anathema to the We are systemd of Borg, resistance is futile crowd. And then there is the Systemd is the Borg! Kill! Kill! crowd who jump into every mention of

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/11/14 22:13, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-22, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: What next? Shall we debate gravity or other pointless exercises[*1] (unless the Debian User list has become a school for aspiring sophists)? I've always been against gravity and am

Re: enough with the what's (not) on-topic discussions already

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 03:38, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: To any listmasters that might be paying attention. L'hôpital qui se moque de la charité? :) Apt. (In English Pot, meet kettle) Kind regards -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 04:56, Teresa e Junior wrote: Hello! I am using curl 7.26.0-1+wheezy11, and when I run `curl https://www.basebit.com.br', it fails with the message: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error I have done some research, and found

Re: curl: (35) error:14077438:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:tlsv1 alert internal error

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 11:25, Teresa e Junior wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:10:35 +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 21/11/14 04:56, Teresa e Junior wrote: snipped Your solution is much simpler, thank you! My pleasure. For completeness, you'll find this works also:- curl --ciphers AES128-SHA256 https

Re: my unintentional irony and self-satire - Now French saying to Aussie colloquialism fail

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 2014-11-23, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/11/14 08:06, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 24/11/14 03:38, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-23, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: To any listmasters that might be paying attention. snipped self-unaware, awesome joke L'hôpital qui

Re: my unintentional irony and self-satire - Now French saying to Aussie colloquialism fail

2014-11-23 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 24/11/14 16:42, Bret Busby wrote: On 24/11/2014, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 2014-11-23, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: snipped [*1] one-bookian equivalent - Matthew7:5,Paul6:42 In tems of Orstarlianinsms, does the above, mean that Matthew got 7

Re: Warning - bleachbit might kill KDE

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/11/14 19:07, Hans wrote: Lisi, my first thought also, but... 'perhaps' Stephen *did* read the OP's comment, and like myself, as a result of looking for the bug report in an effort to find any useful information without having to ask the OP - couldn't find any such bug report.

Re: Problems with grub2/initramfs-tools in chroot

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/11/14 19:50, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Saturday 22 November 2014 00:47:00 Scott Ferguson wrote: On 22/11/14 09:59, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 21 November 2014 22:43:11 Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/11

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
Please don't top post. On 22/11/14 20:50, lee wrote: Didier, you have *totally* missed the OPs point. BTW, since you assume that no systemd takeover Hyperbole much? will happen (despite it already has), what has been the outcome of the GR to support multiple init systems? It

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: It lost. Developers are not being forced to do what they don't want. The winner was developers will work it out themselves i.e. Debian won. Another

Re: Asterisk security

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/11/14 23:20, Rob van der Putten wrote: Hi there A lot of bugs [1] but no Debian updates. Should I be concerned? Sorry - I don't have an authoritative answer to that. It 'might' help if you gave some information about which release you are using. [1] For instance;

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
Dear sockpuppet - I'm surprised you're still around, I heard your bridge fell on you. [saddened] On 22/11/14 23:22, Gregory Smith wrote: Social progressives won. And that's a bad thing? I'm guessing you'd prefer social regressives (the anti-social) won. snipped On 11/22/14, Scott Ferguson

Re: Installing an Alternative Init?

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/11/14 02:10, Andrei POPESCU wrote: On Lu, 10 nov 14, 18:20:37, Tanstaafl wrote: On 11/10/2014 6:18 PM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 11.11.2014 um 00:14 schrieb Miles Fidelman: Ok, then explain to me the procedure for running the installer in such a way that systemd is never

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
In an effort to keep a ration discussion from sliding into a pointless flame-war. On 23/11/14 02:07, Martin Read wrote: On 22/11/14 09:50, lee wrote: Nobody understands udev rules, Challenge accepted. *looks at /etc/udev/rules.d* *looks at /lib/udev/rules.d* I'm honestly baffled that

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/11/14 03:03, Buntunub wrote: I understand your reasons for thinking Systemd is bad for Debian. I do, and I also agree with some of them. However, Debian is composed of a diverse group of people who have every viewpoint under the sun from Systemd is the bane of Linux, to Systemd is the

Re: Why focus on systemd?

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/11/14 08:47, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 22:43:01 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/11/14 22:14, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: On Sat, 22 Nov 2014 21:46:19 +1100 Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: It lost

Re: How to mount an iPod Touch

2014-11-22 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 23/11/14 09:50, Marc Shapiro wrote: My daughter has recently purchased an iPod Touch and would like to be able to maintain it from our linux box running Wheezy. My wife has an iPad Mini and it would be nice to be able to maintain that from the linux box, as well. I have googled. I have

Re: Custom /etc/kernel scripts not working.

2014-11-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 19:25, dE wrote: I've certain scripts placed in /etc/kernel post*.d to update the kernel and init in the efi system partition. This's the script -- #! /bin/bash cp -Lf /vmlinuz /efi/linux.efi cp -Lf /initrd.img /efi I tried echoing somthing and it did not produce any

Re: Warning - bleachbit might kill KDE

2014-11-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/11/14 05:53, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 21 November 2014 18:42:20 Stephen Allen wrote: So, do not use this option in bleachbit! I already filed a bugreport and think this warning might help others. You should file a bug report. Run reportbug, should be on your debian system. Erm...

Re: Problems with grub2/initramfs-tools in chroot

2014-11-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/11/14 09:59, Lisi Reisz wrote: On Friday 21 November 2014 22:43:11 Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/11/14 15:13, Ross Boylan wrote: Over the last week I've repeatedly found my machine unbootable

Re: Problems with grub2/initramfs-tools in chroot

2014-11-21 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 22/11/14 09:43, Ross Boylan wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:11 PM, Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com wrote: On 21/11/14 15:13, Ross Boylan wrote: Over the last week I've repeatedly found my machine unbootable, in the sense I couldn't get to a working system without

Re: wheezy php5 upgrade -- lots of cron emails

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 18:12, Tad Bak wrote: After the recent php5 security upgrade on wheezy (libapache2-mod-php5, php5-cli and php5-common) my cron started to generate a lot of e-mails: From: Cron Daemon root@... To: root@... Subject: Cron root@... [ -x /usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime ] [ -x

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 20:13, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Scott Ferguson a écrit : On 20/11/14 12:45, Martin Read wrote: On 20/11/14 01:03, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 20/11/14 04:06, Morel Bérenger wrote: I think it's msdos. AFAIK mdos partition tables don't support anywhere near that number of slices

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 01:48, Amodelo wrote: Am 19.11.2014 um 09:48 schrieb Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com: On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland

Re: USB problem, hardware issue?

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 07:24, Joel Roth wrote: Dear List, I started noticing a delay between when I start moving the mouse on my T410 (running sid), and when the cursor actually starts to move. I replaced the mouse, but it didn't help. Now I am noticing that when I've left the USB keyboard idle,

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 06:45, Pascal Hambourg wrote: Scott Ferguson a écrit : Might be worth fscking the disk first in case that's where the problem lies. Why ? fsck works on filesystems, not disks or partition tables. Good question - because I didn't spend much time thinking about it, or, because I

Re: Problems with grub2/initramfs-tools in chroot

2014-11-20 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 21/11/14 15:13, Ross Boylan wrote: Over the last week I've repeatedly found my machine unbootable, in the sense I couldn't get to a working system without intervention. Sometimes I couldn't even get the grub2 menu. Tick Things are OK now, but I'm trying to understand what went wrong so

Re: Web site conformance and various browsers

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 18/11/14 04:47, songbird wrote: berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: ... PS: when I think about how crappy all of this is, and that I remember that many people said me that websites runs in the same way everywhere, I just laugh. I try to remember it everyday, since there is a rumor

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 07:54:48PM +0100, Erwan David wrote: snipped Not pdf, but printable That search term has

Re: Which Debian category am I located?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/11/14 15:13, Clarence wrote: There are tons of categories on Debian Mailing-List? I forgot which one am I located, when I tried to search the archive. located??? Please explain - what area/usage of Debian are you interested in? If as a user of Debian (English) then you have the right

Re: systemd for administrators, printable version.

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/11/14 20:53, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 07:48:49PM +1100, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 19/11/14 18:05, Erwan David wrote: On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 05:34:20PM CET, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk said: On Tue 18 Nov 2014 at 10:56:58 +, Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Mon, Nov

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 19/11/14 22:09, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com [2014-11-19 10:48 +0200]: Sadly, whoever told you that was misinformed - and misinformed you. Google results may vary according to the constantly updating search index - and search terms

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 04:01, golinux wrote: On Wed, 11/19/14, songbird songb...@anthive.com wrote: Subject: the developers have spoken To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Date: Wednesday, November 19, 2014, 8:11 AM the vote is in. [cut] My

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 04:04, Darac Marjal wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 03:49:09PM +, Curt wrote: On 2014-11-19, Renaud OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: The claim is your Google search history affects your Google search results. Seems Google tailors your results depending on what

Re: udev memory problem when trying to plug a disk with corrupted partition table

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 04:06, Morel Bérenger wrote: Le Lun 17 novembre 2014 19:32, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh a écrit : On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: So, what part of that disk should I extract, which could be usable and sharable? Partition table, of course, which is

Re: No Google bubble?

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 08:14, martin f krafft wrote: also sprach Scott Ferguson scott.ferguson.debian.u...@gmail.com [2014-11-19 21:46 +0200]: With the greatest respect Martin - have you tried testing it yourself? No, I have not used Google for over 5 years by choice because I do not like it when

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 08:14, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: snipped The vast majority on debian-user see this list as being for the support of

Re: Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:00, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: Hello. I need to reload the same kernel that the machine boots with with kexec, in order to specify different kernel parameters. Changing the boot loader is unfortunately not an option. I'm using Debian Wheezy with sysvinit. I can make a

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:16, Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 16:14:46 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Brian wrote: On Wed 19 Nov 2014 at 12:41:45 -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 03:25:24AM +1100, Andrew McGlashan wrote: No, not necessarily. For many, it

Re: Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:36, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: Thanks for the answer. If I understand correctly, your suggestions take effect when restarting the machine. I'm looking for something that takes effect when starting up. Simpler - add an extra GRUB entry. My apologies for the confusion (I've

Re: Reloading the kernel with kexec before other services start

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:43, Mario Castelán Castro wrote: This is a virtual machine whose bootloader is bypassed. GRUB is ignored completely, so I can't modify it to pass kernel options. That's why I need to use kexec. Then I'd suggest you:- ;try the reboot method - warm reboot and kexec should allow

Re: the developers have spoken

2014-11-19 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 20/11/14 10:15, Peter Nieman wrote: On 19/11/14 22:21, Miles Fidelman wrote: Jonathan Dowland wrote: On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 12:41:45PM -0500, Miles Fidelman wrote: Please DO report back. Some of us really do want to know the state of alternatives. If you insist then please use the

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