Re: "Ethernet trouble" thread

2020-02-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 2:54 PM Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Sat, Feb 01, 2020 at 05:45:26PM +0100, Tom H wrote: >> >> You state that it's no longer udev that renames NICs. The following's >> from a sid VM using svsinit+sysvrc. > [...] >> udev is renaming "eth0&q

AMD 10.2 netinstall

2020-01-18 Thread tom h
Hello, Recently I have installed stable on a few old optiplex workstations that have an AMD graphics card. On first boot I always get a black screen and have to: 1. Enable non-free 2. Install firmware-linux-nonfree. Even though the netinstall media is firmware-10.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso

package install: pinning and warnings

2020-01-07 Thread tom h
So I've got a test box that I have sid installed on and the following in my /etc/apt/preferences Package: * Pin: release a=unstable Pin-Priority: 1000 Package: * Pin: release a=testing Pin-Priority: 100 I also have these two packages installed: sapt-listbugs apt-listchanges I went to install

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-20 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 1:02 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Have you looked

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-18 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Are you using a DM? A what? Xubuntu uses xfce4 if that answers the question. DM = display manager On Ubuntu, lightdm is the default DM. Are you

Re: An experiment in backup

2015-01-16 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Kevin O'Gorman kogor...@gmail.com wrote: I have a tar backup of the entire system, excluding /sys, /proc and /dev. I have a tar backup of a bind-mount of /dev. These were taken while the system was running, but quiet. I did it this way because I cannot get

systemctl disable/mask

2014-10-08 Thread Tom H
On 28 Sep 2014 04:35:03 +0200, lee l...@yun.yagibdah.de wrote: Anyway, it gives me to think that such a misunderstanding has come up to begin with and that it hasn't been fixed long ago. Someone who doesn't understand what disabled means is programming an init system: What other

Re: Choose your side on the Linux divide

2014-08-26 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/choose-your-side-the-linux-divide-248950?source=IFWNLE_nlt_daily_pm_2014-08-25 There's a OT list for this BS. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: /etc/rc.local and systemd

2014-08-25 Thread Tom H
Resending to the list On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 24/08/2014 19:31, Tom H a écrit : With v208, there's a generator, /lib/systemd/system-generators/systemd-rc-local-generator, that creates a symlink at boot in /run/systemd/generator/multi

Re: I hate network-manager (was /etc/rc.local and systemd)

2014-08-25 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: On Sun, 24 Aug 2014 15:44:26 -0400 (EDT), David Baron wrote: On Sunday 24 August 2014 11:45:40 Stephen Powell wrote: I have a static route command in my /etc/rc.local file to define a route to another network. I

Re: Help: Ubuntu 12.04LTS/14.04LTS PXE/netboot/preseed - does not initiate installation

2014-08-25 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 3:10 AM, Snow Leopard snow.leopard@gmail.com wrote: I stumbled on a problem with Ubuntu installation PXE/netboot/preseed. OS: Ubuntu 12.04LTS/14.04LTS I have setup for DHCP/TFTP/NFS which allows me to boot over network Live Ubuntu and everything works as it

Re: sysvinit-systemd transition details

2014-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 23, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Alexandre Ferrieux alexandre.ferri...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:00:02 PM UTC+2, Brian wrote: On Fri 22 Aug 2014 at 17:20:03 -0700, Alexandre Ferrieux wrote: I have a Jessie-based system, which up to the last upgrade used sysvinit of

Re: /etc/rc.local and systemd

2014-08-24 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 11:45 AM, Stephen Powell zlinux...@wowway.com wrote: I just thought I'd pass along something that I recently discovered. When using sysvinit as the init system, if the file /etc/rc.local exists and is executable, it will be invoked at the tail end of the boot process.

Re: Busybox: compile statically?

2014-08-20 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 12:25 PM, antispammbox-debian antispammbox-deb...@yahoo.it wrote: How to compile busybox in static mode, adding some utility different from the usual, -dd, cat, other,... -, example, partimage, with all the dependencies, compress it, and install on a usb stick? You can

Re: Got skype 4.2 to connect again

2014-08-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 4:53 AM, Hans hans.ullr...@loop.de wrote: just another thing relating to this. I would like to repack the debian package and would like to change these in the package: - changelog - skype binary I tried dpkg-deb -x and also with -e, but I guess, this is wrong, as it

Re: Got skype 4.2 to connect again

2014-08-20 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Edit build/DEBIAN/control and bump up Version: version (or create a Version line of it doesn't exist because dpkg-deb needs it but dpkg-buildpackage doesn't so it might not be there). I felt that this was nonsense when I wrote

Re: networking fails with temporary systemd (was auto starting of ppp has stopped working)

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, August 14, 2014 9:10:02 PM UTC+5:30, Tom H wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Rusi Mody wrote: To add to my earlier report: I managed to remove graphviz and its associated libraries. So that now

Re: Irony

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:10 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In my view SQL is a query language that can do much more than look up records in a single table. To claim that some init system is superior to some other init system because it has 'SQL logging' is, as Andrew

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:35:11AM -0400, Tom H wrote: Stop in stop job isn't an adjective, it's a noun (or an attributive noun) just like office in office chair. Or it could be a verb, as in a command Stop

Re: Jessie won't install

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Francesco Ariis fa...@ariis.it wrote: On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 02:24:53PM +0200, Diogene Laerce wrote: Jessie (last testing version) does not want to install in a VM. It just get stucked If it regards Jessie, probably debian-testing [1] is a better place where

Re: auto starting of ppp has stopped working

2014-08-17 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 7:15 AM, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org wrote: Am 01.08.2014 10:45, schrieb Tom H: Either /etc/modprobe.d/filename.conf or in /etc/modules if the former isn't early enough. You are mixing two things up here: /etc/modprobe.conf and /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: In English, both 'stop job' and 'stopped job' are an adjective modifying a noun. The noun in both cases is 'job'. 'stop job' is a noun phrase expressing a type of job, and must be some kind of geeky usage. OTOH,

Re: networking fails with temporary systemd (was auto starting of ppp has stopped working)

2014-08-14 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: To add to my earlier report: I managed to remove graphviz and its associated libraries. So that now aptitude dist-upgrade gives me only 1 'issue' : The following packages have unmet dependencies: systemd-sysv :

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-13 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 2:51 PM, Paul E Condon pecon...@mesanetworks.net wrote: I interpret the quoted string in the Subject: header as being flawed use of English language. 'stop' should be 'stopped'. And, there is a bug in the script that fails to evaluate the variable USER and therefore

Re: Irony

2014-08-13 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 11:50:02 +0200 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: Debian isn't as special as you think, at least not from this perspective. Everybody earns money and needs money in this development

Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 16:07:01 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote: 2014-08-10 11:33 keltezéssel, Pascal Hambourg írta: sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1

Re: Irony

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Charles Kroeger ckro...@frankensteinface.com wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2014 21:50:01 +0200 Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: I had understood that Debian is in this, as in many things, different from most Linux distros. Yes you're right, that's what makes

Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:19 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014 04:53:51 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: And you've proven my point... Agreed, I just can't see why there is any controversy. You misunderstand. The fact that you can't accept that there may be others

Re: systemd fails to poweroff - A stop job is running for Session 2 of user $USER

2014-08-12 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Zenaan Harkness z...@freedbms.net wrote: Debian sid systemd currently fails to poweroff for me XFCE (appears to) exit, the mouse point shows for a while, then the kernel/ shutdown log appears. The last message is: A stop job is running for Session 2 of

Re: Question about dch

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:18 PM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/09/2014 07:16 PM, Tom H wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:52 AM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: dch -i tool allows to add new version to debian/changelog file. When I add new version I make

Re: NFS and iptables during bootup

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 3:40 PM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 6:33 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: I moved the script from /etc/init.d to /etc/network directory and changed the shebang line

Re: Netflix in chrome-unstable on Debian Sid

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Hugo Vanwoerkom hvw59...@care2.com wrote: And what is that google-chrome-unstable deb? Does that have a version number? $ apt-cache show google-chrome-unstable | grep Ver Version: 38.0.2114.2-1 $ apt-cache show google-chrome-beta | grep Ver Version:

Re: Irony

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:47 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Sat, 9 Aug 2014 16:26:40 -0400 Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: Some of the reasons I switched my desktop from Ubuntu to Debian were: 1) To do more config by editor and less by magical binary program.

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Tom H wrote: Bob Proulx wrote: I believe the point was that it should be make before break. They should have allowed people to use systemd without preventing people from not using it. They didn't make a new system without

Re: Quiet Bootups

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 6:36 AM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: With Grub, I did not see that endless stream of text pouring on the screen to rapidly to read. Because I (presumably) know how to configure it, I have gone back to lilo. Now have all that text back. Is there an append= or

Re: Question about dch

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 5:26 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 2:18 PM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/09/2014 07:16 PM, Tom H wrote: From the man page: --increment, -i Increment either the final component of the Debian release num

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 02:45 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: Charlie: According to the man pages all 3, halt, poweroff and reboot, use the shutdown command to perform the necessary steps when not starting in runlevel 0 or 6, which is

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 09:26 AM, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 8:46 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 02:45 AM, Bonno Bloksma wrote: If halt or reboot is called when the system

Re: System broken after full-upgrade: please help!

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 10:26 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 10:15 AM, Tom H wrote: On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 9:29 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/10/2014 09:26 AM, Tom H wrote: halt/poweroff/reboot have called shutdown at least since 6/squeeze

Re: Debian Jessie Release

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: PS: and I am still waiting for the replacement of policy-rc.d We know; you've complained here more than once. Have you filed a bug report? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject

Re: IP Forwarding to Windows machine

2014-08-10 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 10, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Nemeth Gyorgy fri...@freemail.hu wrote: 2014-08-10 11:33 keltezéssel, Pascal Hambourg írta: Nemeth Gyorgy's ruleset is too complicated. Use the bare minimum : sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 iptables -t nat -P ACCEPT iptables -t filter -P ACCEPT This is

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-09 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Zenaan Harkness wrote: Joel Rees wrote: This is precisely why systemd should have been brought up to speed in a separate, parallel, volunteer-only distro. (If you don't understand what I mean by a separate, parallel,

Re: Question about dch

2014-08-09 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 10:52 AM, George Shuklin george.shuk...@gmail.com wrote: dch -i tool allows to add new version to debian/changelog file. When I add new version I make this: package (1.0.2-1myname1-ubuntu0) UNRELEASED; urgency=medium * -- signature and date package

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 3:12 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: I've saved one or two relevant URLs from debian-devel@ pre-CTTE bug thread. I can dig them up and post them if you're interested. Please, give them. More than

Re: Systemd: follow-up

2014-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Thu 07 Aug 2014 at 20:25:22 +0200, Johann Spies wrote: After rescuing two laptops which were unbootable after the installation of systemd-sysfs I had

Re: NFS and iptables during bootup

2014-08-08 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: I moved the script from /etc/init.d to /etc/network directory and changed the shebang line from /bin/bash to /bin/sh. /bin/sh on my system points to /bin/dash. Thanks for those tips! Content of firewall rule-files can be

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-07 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:49 AM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Thu, 7 Aug 2014 16:19:03 +0100 Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: Consider it to be another database format. You wouldn't necessarily try to cat a MySQL or PostgreSQL datastore; you'd use the

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:01 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4 Thanks! But why '4'? Why not '42'? Or even better... journalctl show auth journalctl show apache2 journalctl show

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:53 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:01:57AM CEST, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com said: On Tue, 5 Aug 2014 17:57:02 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4 Thanks! But why '4'? Why not '42

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 5:54 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 16:33:23 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: If tomh-init is faster than

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-06 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:27 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:25:21 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: So, yeah, /var/log/messages sucks, and journalctl is better at generating a compatible output that that file ever was in itself. I definitely agree

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 14:03:35 +0200 Raffaele Morelli raffaele.more...@gmail.com wrote: I've seen tons of posts sent to this list about systemd... bla bla bla... and did not understand what's the matter with it. I

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: On Mon, 4 Aug 2014 15:34:22 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 4/08/2014 11:32 PM, Tom H wrote: Sure it counts

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 5/08/2014 5:44 AM, Erwan David wrote: Le 04/08/2014 21:34, Tom

Re: Wireless card unavailable in Debian, but works in Ubuntu

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:18 AM, S4mmael s4mm...@gmail.com wrote: I have a liittle problem with a wireless card of a cheap HP laptop. It works perfectly well out of the box in Ubuntu 14.04, but not in Debian Jessie. Here is what a managed to find. In Ubuntu it looks like that:

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 2:45 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 04, 2014 at 11:17:02PM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Andrew McGlashan wrote: Yes, that's what I meant, sysvinit is not broken. I rather

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 5 Aug 2014 08:58:47 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com napísal: If tomh-init is faster than htom-init, whether there's just ssh running or 100 daemons running, I want to use tomh-init. I can understand that there are people

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Steve Litt sl...@troubleshooters.com wrote: LOL, perhaps I'll boot to bin/bash, and then run a script to do everything else. Oh wait, I can't do that: I hear PAM now depends on systemd, for what reason I haven't a clue. Maybe you should look into adapting the

Re: End of hypocrisy, beginning of reason

2014-08-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 4:12 PM, AW debian.list.trac...@1024bits.com wrote: cat /var/log/auth.log or journalctl 'something unknown by me' journalctl SYSLOG_FACILITY=4 There's tab completion, so on my laptop where I've aliased systemctl and journalctl to sc and jc (and duplicated the systemctl

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: My own view is why systemd fix sysinit instead, where it is broken or rather the packages [whatever they are] that don't work properly. Who should fix sysvinit? The upstream sysvinit developers

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:33 AM, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: It turns out that the reason I never thought of using mkfs to build a working boot sector is that mkfs doesn't do that. Grub, however, does but I am still a bit confused as to how to get it working. I

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 4/08/2014 11:32 PM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: My own view is why systemd fix sysinit instead, where

Re: NFS and iptables during bootup

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:52 AM, Martin T m4rtn...@gmail.com wrote: I made a very simple bash script which loads the iptables configuration from /etc/firewall.conf and /etc/firewall6.conf files: # cat /etc/init.d/firewall #!/bin/bash iptables-restore /etc/firewall.conf ip6tables-restore

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Tue, 05 Aug 2014 00:37:06 +1000 Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au napísal: On 4/08/2014 11:32 PM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au

Re: The Fine Art of Making a Bootable Drive

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:57 AM, Martin G. McCormick mar...@server1.shellworld.net wrote: Tom H writes: Are you mounting /mnt/{dev,proc,sys} before chrooting? No. I did try the mount command after chrooting which successfully ran, but didn't fix the missing /dev. I bet this is the crux

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: What takes most time when booting a server is what the server does before booting the OS (before grub in case of linux). Optimising what comes after is non-sense. And VMs? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: Andrew McGlashan wrote: Yes, that's what I meant, sysvinit is not broken. I rather agree. But the opponents cite corner cases where the previous security model doesn't handle every possible access case. I always hate it when

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: On 5/08/2014 5:44 AM, Erwan David wrote: Le 04/08/2014 21:34, Tom H a écrit : Suppose that you have a 16-node cluster, some patches were applied to the systems overnight, a mistake was made, and you

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-08-04 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Brian a...@cityscape.co.uk wrote: On Mon 04 Aug 2014 at 17:17:02 -0400, Tom H wrote: Didn't all DEs use consolekit and policykit? IIRC wasn't the CTTE bug filed because of a debian-devel@ thread about Gnome depending on systemd (because of logind and/or libpam

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Bret Busby bret.bu...@gmail.com wrote: I have found, in the last day, that Microsoft has apparently cancelled Skype access for versions of Debian before 7.x. With the error message that I encountered, with my Skype 2.2 (beta) running on Debian 6, I went to the

Re: Skype access cancelled for Debian versions before 7

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Andrew McGlashan andrew.mcglas...@affinityvision.com.au wrote: There must be an alternative to Skype. http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/fed-up-with-skype-here-are-6-of-the-best-free-alternatives/ In theory but not in practice - unless you want to use one of the

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: In this case, yeah, experimental is experimental, but there are limits

Re: /usr on own filesystem, not already mounted -- yeech!

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:59 AM, David Baron d_ba...@012.net.il wrote: Started to get this message several times in bootup or maybe was simply not quick enough to catch it before. Everything seems to play. The Debian installer itself will place /usr on it own partition/filesystem. So what

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 08/02/2014 03:15 PM, Brian wrote: On Sat 02 Aug 2014 at 12:24:46 -0600, Bob Proulx wrote: Brian wrote: With sysvinit the default at booting is for the screen messages to fly past at a bewildering speed and then for

Re: Bug#736258: acpid won't stop, won't upgrade (systemd) - https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=736258

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: [snip] Is there a reason debian-user is subscribed to this bug report? Please don't top-post. Probably because it's a debian-user@ thread that resulted in the the bug report and we were added to the cc as a

Re: fsck progress not shown on boot with systemd as pid 1

2014-08-03 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Bob Proulx b...@proulx.com wrote: if [ -f /etc/inittab ]; then if grep -q '^1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty' /etc/inittab; then log Fixing getty --noclear in /etc/inittab sed --in-place '/^1/s/getty 38400/getty --noclear 38400/'

Re: auto starting of ppp has stopped working

2014-08-01 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 12:32 AM, Rusi Mody rustompm...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, August 1, 2014 12:10:02 AM UTC+5:30, Rusi Mody wrote: After some recent upgrades (this is on jessie) auto starting of ppp has stopped working. So every time after booting I now have to run pppoeconf. Some

Re: auto starting of ppp has stopped working

2014-08-01 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 2:49 AM, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote: On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 09:32:08PM -0700, Rusi Mody wrote: So now the question is: What is the 'modern' way of automatically doing 'modprobe pppoe' at boot/ifup time? Evidently something has changed that has

Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:52 AM, Pascal Hambourg pas...@plouf.fr.eu.org wrote: Tom H a écrit : On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mickael MONSIEUR mickael.monsi...@gmail.com wrote: post-up /sbin/route add 1.2.3.4 dev eth0 your route ... syntax looks wrong to me. Not to me. zenith:~# /sbin

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 9:18 PM, Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course

Re: systemd requires kernel to have CONFIG_CGROUPS enabled - installer check!

2014-07-31 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Jo, 31 iul 14, 20:13:23, JPT wrote: my self built system is dead because systemd installer does not check if control groups are enabled BEFORE upgrading the package. Could someone take care so the installer

Re: 'strictatime' vs. 'relatime' for /tmp

2014-07-30 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 4:12 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: When mounting a tmpfs on /tmp systemd sets 'strictatime'. I was wondering whether this is really needed. Does anybody know of software that would break with 'relatime' (the default) or even 'noatime'? I'd be

Re: missing LSB tags and overrides

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Darac Marjal mailingl...@darac.org.uk wrote: All this, of course, assumes the OP doesn't want to use the previously mentioned suggestion of aptitude purge '~c'. And that's fair enough; aptitude is not to everyone's taste. If you'd rather not use aptitude to

Re: systemd waisted 5 hours of my work time today

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Thu, 24 Jul 2014 13:00:24 +0100 Tom Furie t...@furie.org.uk napísal: You are, of course, aware that testing and unstable are test platforms where breakage is to be expected? They shouldn't be used for anything mission

Re: [Wheezy] [networking] post-up NOT executed

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Mickael MONSIEUR mickael.monsi...@gmail.com wrote: I have a fresh installation of Debian Wheezy 7.6.0 amd64. The post-up line does not execute when eth0 is mounted! (by against my eth0 interface is mounted!) I have to mount routes, and are not: post-up

Re: systemd support for init level use case

2014-07-27 Thread Tom H
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 7:44 PM, Gregory Seidman gsslist+deb...@anthropohedron.net wrote: I'm on stable, but I'm reading the threads about systemd and I want to be prepared for the next stable release. I run a RAID1 with an encryption loop and LVM on top of that for my home directories and a

Re: systemd log messages during boot (Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd)

2014-07-24 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 12:06:51AM CEST, Michael Biebl bi...@debian.org said: Am 22.07.2014 19:22, schrieb Erwan David: Le 22/07/2014 18:59, Michael Biebl a écrit : Am 22.07.2014 18:24, schrieb The Wanderer: As far as I

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 21/07/2014 18:23, Tom H a écrit : On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438

Re: Sid Systemd upgrade

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Miles Fidelman mfidel...@meetinghouse.net wrote: Damn right I don't use development or testing versions in production. I'm looking down the road a year

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-22 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 11:01 AM, The Wanderer wande...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 07/22/2014 10:34 AM, Tom H wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: So it seems there is a quiet on the default command line, which does not mean same thing when using systemd

Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:00 AM, Lisi Reisz lisi.re...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday 19 July 2014 23:34:28 Tom H wrote: To the OP: can't you install a supported and more recent chrome from google.com? Not on Squeeze. You have to update to at least Wheezy. Thanks. I assume that it's a shared

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel@. I'm sure that if you asked those who want this supported they'd tell you that this isn't what was decided and if you asked those who

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote: 1 poweroff takes ages (several minutes), and sometimes fails completely, this is very annoying On Fedora, v208 introduced slice units and I (and many others) had a problem at shutdown with the logged-in user's slice taking

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 7:29 AM, Slavko li...@slavino.sk wrote: Dňa Sun, 20 Jul 2014 07:46:17 +0200 Sven Joachim svenj...@gmx.de napísal: On 2014-07-19 19:14 +0200, Slavko wrote: Then it seems, that there is way to have policykit without systemd. The alternative (on which policykit-1

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:30 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: systemd-shim is no more an option in testing. This is temporary. It's dependent on cgmanager being added to the archives. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe.

Re: Skipping releases on dist-upgrades [was: Re: Is this safe?? Chrome in Debian 6]

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:16 AM, Joe j...@jretrading.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 04:04:04 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:02 AM, Andrei POPESCU andreimpope...@gmail.com wrote: On Sb, 19 iul 14, 18:34:28, Tom H wrote: This was discussed on debian-devel

Re: End of hypocrisy ?

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:19 AM, Martin Steigerwald mar...@lichtvoll.de wrote: Am Montag, 21. Juli 2014, 07:30:40 schrieb Erwan David: Still… also hibernate and suspend with KDE is currently broken with sysvinit- core. And systemd 208 just doesn´t boot my workstation at work, while it works

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: Le 20/07/2014 16:11, Andrei POPESCU a écrit : On Du, 20 iul 14, 14:40:27, Erwan David wrote: Add to this the fact it throws away years of habits with yet another language (yes the systemd unit files are nit shellscripts

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:18 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 09:59:55AM CEST, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com said: On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 10:33 PM, sp113438 sp113...@telfort.nl wrote: Booting is fast That's one of the development goals. I switched today

Re: I'm not a huge fan of systemd

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Erwan David er...@rail.eu.org wrote: libpam-systemd now refuses systemd-shim (with v208 in testing)... You must be skipping emails in this thread. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble?

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