Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread Lee
On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 7:55 AM 타토카 wrote: > > And can you explain to me what is it, please? * > > $ alias | grep sha > alias sha1='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha1 ' > alias sha256='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha256 ' > alias sha512='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha512 ' It's a way of getting sha sums for a

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread Franco Martelli
On 11/07/24 at 13:55, 타토카 wrote: And can you explain to me what is it, please? * $ alias | grep sha alias sha1='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha1 ' alias sha256='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha256 ' alias sha512='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha512 ' Since you are asking this question maybe you don't know

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread Dan Purgert
On Jul 11, 2024, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 17:23:43 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > But, what do you mean: "Because you haven't established a chain of trust > > from yourself to any of the signatures." > > Imagine someone walks up to you on the street and hands you a contract, > which

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 17:23:43 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > But, what do you mean: "Because you haven't established a chain of trust > from yourself to any of the signatures." Imagine someone walks up to you on the street and hands you a contract, which is signed by someone you've never heard of. You

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, cybertat...@gmail.com wrote: > gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature! That's normal. The concept of a "web of trust" suffers from the fact that most people which i know good enough to trust them in general have no idea of PGP and thus are not really trustworthy in

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread 타토카
Ok, I think this is really enough for verification ( Maybe (^_^) ). But, what do you mean: "Because you haven't established a chain of trust from yourself to any of the signatures." Is it only for Debian developers? And is it very important? On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:58 PM Greg Wooledge wrote:

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 16:47:45 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Why 64 signatures not checked and no ultimately trusted keys found here: > $ gpg --import key-DA87E80D6294BE9B.txt > gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: 64 signatures not checked due to missing keys > gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: public key "Debian CD

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread 타토카
And can you explain to me what is it, please? * $ alias | grep sha alias sha1='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha1 ' alias sha256='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha256 ' alias sha512='/usr/bin/openssl dgst -sha512 ' On Thu, Jul 11, 2024 at 4:47 PM 타토카 wrote: > Why 64 signatures not checked and no ultimately

Re: General questions

2024-07-11 Thread 타토카
Why 64 signatures not checked and no ultimately trusted keys found here: $ gpg --import key-DA87E80D6294BE9B.txt gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: 64 signatures not checked due to missing keys gpg: key DA87E80D6294BE9B: public key "Debian CD signing key " imported gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg:

Re: General questions

2024-07-10 Thread Lee
On Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 6:07 PM 타토카 wrote: > > Hello, dear Debian Community. > > I just wanted to check a key with GPG. > > I have found this on https://www.debian.org/CD/verify: > > pub rsa4096/DA87E80D6294BE9B 2011-01-05 [SC] > > Key fingerprint = DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294

Re: General questions

2024-07-10 Thread 타토카
Hello, dear Debian Community. I just wanted to check a key with GPG. I have found this on https://www.debian.org/CD/verify: pub rsa4096/DA87E80D6294BE9B 2011-01-05 [SC] Key fingerprint = DF9B 9C49 EAA9 2984 3258 9D76 DA87 E80D 6294 BE9B uid Debian CD signing key How can

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread gene heskett
On 7/8/24 19:02, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 06:08:49PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: On 7/8/24 17:20, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" The only cost associated with this mailing list

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 06:08:49PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > On 7/8/24 17:20, Andy Smith wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > > > I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" > > > > The only cost associated with this mailing list is your sanity. > >

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread gene heskett
On 7/8/24 17:20, Andy Smith wrote: Hi, On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" The only cost associated with this mailing list is your sanity. +1, Andy. Some of us get downright upset with the Karens that think they run this all

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 12:15:00AM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user" The only cost associated with this mailing list is your sanity. Thanks, Andy -- https://bitfolk.com/ -- No-nonsense VPS hosting

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, cybertat...@gmail.com wrote: >     2.2. I have done then: gpg --keyserver keyring.debian.org --verify > SHA512SUMS.sign SHA512SUMS >     2.3. Then I have got next info: Signed was made in 30 june 2024 >    And RSA key: DF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B > I have compared 2011 's key

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 00:15:00 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Thank you all for your answers. > 1. But I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user":) But I really like > your answers about Debian's freedom. I think it is useful information. > Thanks. The debian-user mailing list is open to all who wish to

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread 타토카
Thank you all for your answers. 1. But I mean subscriptions like this "debian-user":) But I really like your answers about Debian's freedom. I think it is useful information. Thanks. 2. I just have verified GPG's keys manually: https://keyring.debian.org/ 2.1. I have downloaded SHA512

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 8 Jul 2024 22:24 +0500, from cybertat...@gmail.com (타토카): > 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? Others have already pointed out that Debian is free, but I want to note that this question seems to be based on a misunderstanding. The fact is that there are no "subscriptions" to Debian, in

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, cybertat...@gmail.com wrote: > 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? > Is checksum verification (sha216sum, sha512sum) enough? Only if you are trusting the site from where you downloaded the ISO. In that case you'd use the checksums in the files SHA256SUMS and SHA512SUMS as mere

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Dan Ritter
타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: > 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? Yes. There are non-Debian businesses which can sell you support, if you like, but Debian software is all free. > 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? Is checksum verification

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread tomas
On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 10:24:13PM +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: > 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? > 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? Is checksum verification > (sha216sum, sha512sum) enough? Should I verify with GPG? If so, how

Re: General questions

2024-07-08 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 22:24:13 +0500, 타토카 wrote: > Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: > 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? Debian is Free Software. You are allowed to download it, in both binary and source forms, without requiring a subscription, or a license, other

General questions

2024-07-08 Thread 타토카
Hello, dear Debian Community. I have several questions: 1. Are all subscriptions to Debian free? 2. How to check Debian Image Authentication? Is checksum verification (sha216sum, sha512sum) enough? Should I verify with GPG? If so, how can I do that? Or can you give me any additional advice to do

Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread l0f4r0
Hi again, 27 août 2023, 18:46 de l0f...@tuta.io: >>> ClamAV scan files but data scanned: 0.00 MB, why? I have Debian stable and >>> use last version of clamav (1.0.1+dfsg-2) >>> , which is located in debian stable repository. >>> I don't think your file has been scanned actually... Can you

Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread l0f4r0
Hello Takota, >> ClamAV scan files but data scanned: 0.00 MB, why? I have Debian stable and >> use last version of clamav (1.0.1+dfsg-2) >> , which is located in debian stable repository. >> Maybe someone on this list will be able to help you, otherwise I recommend you write to ClamAV dedicated

Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 17:01:22 +0600 Tatoka wrote: Hello Tatoka, >1. Is Subscribing to mailing list free? Yes. All that's needed is a valid email address to sign up with. >2. I have problem with ClamAv: Sorry, can't help with that as I have no experience with ClamAV. -- Regards _

Re: General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread tomas
On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 05:01:22PM +0600, Tatoka wrote: > Hello, dear users community of debian! I just wanna ask questions: > 1. Is Subscribing to mailing list free? Yes, it is. I am subscribed, so I know :) > 2. I have problem with ClamAv: When I scanned file: > --- SCAN SUMMARY

General Questions

2023-08-27 Thread Tatoka
Hello, dear users community of debian! I just wanna ask questions: 1. Is Subscribing to mailing list free? 2. I have problem with ClamAv: When I scanned file: --- SCAN SUMMARY --- Known viruses: 8671927 Engine version: 1.0.1 Scanned directories: 0 Scanned files: 1 Infected files: 0

Re: General Questions

2023-07-26 Thread David Wright
On Tue 25 Jul 2023 at 08:18:21 (-0400), Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Source Code wrote: > > > 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up > > > to 100-200 mb? > > > > That depends on what you choose to run,

Re: General Questions

2023-07-26 Thread Tim Woodall
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: Source Code wrote: 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up to 100-200 mb? That depends on what you choose to run, and how. I would not recommend trying to

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 08:51:59PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? > > Вт, 25 июля 2023 г. в 20:31, Michel Verdier : > > > On 2023-07-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > >> And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 09:18:10PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I'm sorry, Nicolas George, if I offended you. I didn't want it. I'm new > here and don't know how to post my questions without disturbing anyone. So > sorry everyone if my questions have distracted you in any way. I will try > to

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread John Hasler
Source Code writes: > So sorry everyone if my questions have distracted you in any way. Apology accepted. > I will try to figure with my problems out myself in future. It's ok to ask for help again. Just respond politely when people try to answer your questions. -- John Hasler

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 09:18:10PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I'm sorry, Nicolas George, if I offended you. I didn't want it. I'm new > here and don't know how to post my questions without disturbing anyone.i If there is a language barrier here. maybe posting questions on debian-russian

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
I'm sorry, Nicolas George, if I offended you. I didn't want it. I'm new here and don't know how to post my questions without disturbing anyone. So sorry everyone if my questions have distracted you in any way. I will try to figure with my problems out myself in future. Thanks everyone! Вт, 25

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 09:02:36PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I have thought I have right to ask any question, for get answers which I > need :( Yes, you have. But the answers have the right to not be liked by you, at least not always :-) Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Nicolas George
Source Code (12023-07-25): > I have thought I have right to ask any question Oh, you have the right all right. And I have a right of not helping you. Which is exactly what I will do from now on, since you just spat in my face when I tried to. -- Nicolas George signature.asc Description:

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 05:02:09PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: [...] Oh, forgot the ref: > Or have a read at the rfkill source [1] [...] Cheers [1] https://sources.debian.org/src/rfkill/0.5-1/rfkill.c/ -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
I have thought I have right to ask any question, for get answers which I need :( I have another one question: can I use terminal in Debian Installer without any problem in the future? What hot keys I need to use? And what’s step in installer where I can use terminal? I know about shell in the end

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread tomas
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 04:54:54PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > Source Code (12023-07-25): > > People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? > > Step 1: get rid of stupid constraints. > > Step 2: install rfkill. Or have a read at the rfkill source [1] and see what you have

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Nicolas George
Source Code (12023-07-25): > People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? Step 1: get rid of stupid constraints. Step 2: install rfkill. Step 3: solve problem. Step 4: learn what top-posting means. Step 5: stop doing it. Regards, -- Nicolas George signature.asc

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
People, how to solve problem with rfkill without install rfkill? Вт, 25 июля 2023 г. в 20:31, Michel Verdier : > On 2023-07-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > >> And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will be > >> supported in future too? > > > > If people use them, and if the

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Michel Verdier
On 2023-07-25, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will be >> supported in future too? > > If people use them, and if the upstream developers of these projects > remain active and responsive, they will likely remain in Debian. And about dwm I would

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 06:26:20PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I use Debian on my PC not as a server. > > Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? > I've only been using it on a PC for 26 years - it is too early to be certain whether it is good or not. > And

Re: Debian as daily driver; WiFi networking and firmware (was: General Questions)

2023-07-25 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 25 Jul 2023 18:26 +0600, from rifesourcec...@gmail.com (Source Code): > Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? Debian is entirely usable as a daily driver workstation OS. I've been using it as such for around a decade, possibly longer; I have old notes and

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 06:26:20PM +0600, Source Code wrote: > I use Debian on my PC not as a server. > > Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? Both are common. Debian aims to be good for any purpose. > And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm.

Re: Low-memory Debian (was: General Questions)

2023-07-25 Thread Michael Kjörling
On 25 Jul 2023 08:18 -0400, from g...@wooledge.org (Greg Wooledge): >>> 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up >>> to 100-200 mb? >> >> That depends on what you choose to run, and how. I would not >> recommend trying to do anything interesting on a machine with

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
I use Debian on my PC not as a server. Using Debian for PC OS is not good? Is it recommended only for servers? And about third question, I mean: dwm and awesome wm. They will be supported in future too? It turns out you need free firmware to use wifi? But I can use wifi, but only with some DE.

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Joe
On Tue, 25 Jul 2023 08:18:21 -0400 Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > > Source Code wrote: > > > 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? > > > Let's say up to 100-200 mb? > > > > That depends on what you choose to run,

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Tue, Jul 25, 2023 at 07:53:52AM -0400, Dan Ritter wrote: > Source Code wrote: > > 3. Is it possible to reduce RAM consumption? And minimize it? Let's say up > > to 100-200 mb? > > That depends on what you choose to run, and how. I would not > recommend trying to do anything interesting on a

Re: General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Dan Ritter
Source Code wrote: > Hello dear Debian team! I really like this distribution. I use it with > great pleasure! But I would like to know more about this distribution. I > wanted to ask you: debian-users is composed of users of Debian, not a "team". > 1. After installing Debian without a single

General Questions

2023-07-25 Thread Source Code
Hello dear Debian team! I really like this distribution. I use it with great pleasure! But I would like to know more about this distribution. I wanted to ask you: 1. After installing Debian without a single desktop environment, there is only a web server, ssh server and standard utilities. Is it

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Steven Maddox (Architect)
Hi folks, Thanx for your answers... heres some clarifications... a) I meant to say Debian XFCE! not Ubuntu XFCE (sorry :D) b) I have already replaced mousepad for MadEdit (v.nice editor in my opinion) c) I know loads of text editors can do multi-file find/replace - but I want to do this on

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Raffaele Morelli
c) I know loads of text editors can do multi-file find/replace - but I want to do this on a massive scale, it would mean opening up every text file on the file system! - i.e. I want to -on mass- rename something unique in all configuration files mentioning it Don't you like CLI instead a GUI

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Kushal Kumaran
On 5/2/07, Steven Maddox (Architect) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, Thanx for your answers... heres some clarifications... snip f) on a bizarre connected note, I know that Debian is *rock solid* stable - but when doing an 'apt-get upgrade' I haven't noticed a since new thing! is this

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Mitja Podreka
Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: c) I know loads of text editors can do multi-file find/replace - but I want to do this on a massive scale, it would mean opening up every text file on the file system! - i.e. I want to -on mass- rename something unique in all configuration files mentioning it

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Karl E. Jorgensen
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:54:38AM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Hi folks, Thanx for your answers... heres some clarifications... a) I meant to say Debian XFCE! not Ubuntu XFCE (sorry :D) b) I have already replaced mousepad for MadEdit (v.nice editor in my opinion) c) I

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread John Hasler
Steven Maddox writes: I want to do this on a massive scale, it would mean opening up every text file on the file system! - i.e. I want to -on mass- rename something unique in all configuration files mentioning it As others have mentioned this is exactly the sort of problem sed was invented to

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Ron Johnson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 05/02/07 02:54, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: [snip] e) I was after some kind of tray icon auto-updater thingy for the XFCE Debian to tell me of new updates to Debian 4.0, this is a server however (I like GUI's don't sue me) so it would be

Re: General questions...

2007-05-02 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Wed, May 02, 2007 at 08:54:38AM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: b) I have already replaced mousepad for MadEdit (v.nice editor in my opinion) Sounds interesting, but did you compile from source? It's not in Debian repos (I'm asking because I'm interested in trying a new editor).

Re: General questions...

2007-05-01 Thread Paul Johnson
Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote in Article [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted to gmane.linux.debian.user: 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path change) krename sounds like what you need, though

Re: General questions...

2007-05-01 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Mon, Apr 30, 2007 at 02:57:06PM +0100, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path change) cream (gvim) text editor can do that. It's called 'Multi-File

General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Steven Maddox (Architect)
Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path change) 2) Ubuntu had a little graphical app that loaded upon double

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Andrew J. Barr
Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: 2) Ubuntu had a little graphical app that loaded upon double clicking DEB files, it let you install them - what is this app? :D gdebi -- Andrew J. Barr Thunderbird/1.5.0.10 (compatible; Icedove 1.5; X11; en-US; Linux 2.6.21-rc7 x86_64) Debian/1.5.0.10dfsg.1-3

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Johannes Wiedersich
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Alan Ianson
On Monday 30 April 2007 06:57, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and getting it to replace it (makes for easy re-configuring of files after a path

Re: General questions...

2007-04-30 Thread Celejar
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:11:01 -0700 Alan Ianson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 30 April 2007 06:57, Steven Maddox (Architect) wrote: Lo I've a few burning needs, so if anyone knows the answers - let me know! :D 1) I need a graphical way of searching text files for a string - and

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-24 Thread Marc Wilson
On Tue, Nov 22, 2005 at 09:42:16PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:59:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 08:33:00PM -0700, Scott wrote: The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04!

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 03:11:44PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: I meant what I said. We have OGo connecting to a previously-existing mysql database, for mailshots etc. It works perfectly well. I can only speak from my experience. You mean a mail merge? -- Chris. == Reproduction if

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-22 Thread Chris Bannister
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 09:59:22PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 08:33:00PM -0700, Scott wrote: The latest official Debian Sarge package for Firefox is for v 1.04! http://security.debian.org/pool/updates/main/m/mozilla-firefox/ Myself, I don't use Crapfox, and therefore

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-20 Thread Juraj Fedel
On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 10:22:02AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Clarification: When etch transitions from Testing to Stable, all the packages (including, by that time, OpenOffice.org 2) will stay in etch/Stable. Is there any known timeline when this my happen? Juraj Fedel -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-20 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:29:35AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 13:46 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Backporting from security fixes in Mozilla or Firefox are to heavy so they have considered to use 1.07 and rename it for Sarge. I thought that in those cases they

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-20 Thread Ron Johnson
On Sun, 2005-11-20 at 09:52 +0100, Juraj Fedel wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 10:22:02AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: Clarification: When etch transitions from Testing to Stable, all the packages (including, by that time, OpenOffice.org 2) will stay in etch/Stable. Is there any known

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Hi Antony, Am 2005-11-15 11:11:02, schrieb Antony Gelberg: It's not that simple. A lot of newbies dive into testing or unstable because they have to have the newest stuff, then they don't know what to do when their system breaks. HOW can a newbie come to TESTING or UNSTABLE? A newbie which

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-18 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-17 08:48:33, schrieb loos: 1. Normal = most of them does just that. I do not know ONE newbie which is using TESTING or UNSTABLE. 2. Debian unstable is just as good as a stable Fedora, etc. My Development Workstation was broken several times in the last 4 month. There was no

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-18 Thread Curt Howland
HOW can a newbie come to TESTING or UNSTABLE? I did. Testing, specifically, and ran into all the trouble one would expect. A newbie which come to our website, WILL download STABLE. False. There are more examples than just I. Unless, of course, by our you mean some other web site than

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread loos
newbie - unstable, that's normal. If you like it that way. And they will learn a lot. Why is it normal for a newbie to use unstable? It's usually an initial period of look at me, I'm using Debian without having to use their cruddy old software followed by a cry for help, either here or

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-13 03:43:00, schrieb Oliver Lupton: Firefox is currently @ 1.07 and every point release since 1.0 has been due to security issues. Following the link you gave, I get to a file such as mozilla-firefox_1.0.4-2sarge5_i386.deb, I'm not entirely sure what the '-2' part means, but

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-12 21:59:22, schrieb Marc Wilson: Myself, I don't use Crapfox, and therefore don't pay any attention to its Debian versioning, but if normal Debian practices are being followed, security fixes are backported to stable, rather than new and untested versions being packaged for

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-14 23:27:29, schrieb Antony Gelberg: Michael Marsh wrote: In short, the patched version of Firefox in sarge is *not* 1.0.7, so calling it 1.0.7 would be a mistake. Um, as I've said elsewhere in this thread, it is a newer upstream version than 1.0.4. Not sure exactly what

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-13 11:32:16, schrieb Antony Gelberg: Bruce Hohl wrote: OpenOffice 2.0 is an important piece of software. snip Why? Because you will need biger CPU's and more memory in your computer which will make the manufacturer richer. :-P Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2005-11-12 17:05:54, schrieb Antony Gelberg: Antony Gelberg wrote: http://www.debian.doc/releases might help you understand how releases work in Debian. Oops. s/doc/com | s/com/org/ Greetings Michelle -- Linux-User #280138 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org/

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 13:46 +0100, Michelle Konzack wrote: Am 2005-11-12 21:59:22, schrieb Marc Wilson: Myself, I don't use Crapfox, and therefore don't pay any attention to its Debian versioning, but if normal Debian practices are being followed, security fixes are backported to stable,

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:43 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:26:50AM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: I think users need to get back to learning a little. I was asked by a customer yesterday why Thunderbird doesn't capitalise the H in Hello like Outlook (Word) does. I was

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:23 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Ron Johnson wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:11 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Andy Streich wrote: [snip] No, it's not, and that's not what I said. I was pointing out that encouraging newbies to use testing or

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:40:32AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:43 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: So it's inefficent. So what? Because in 6 months or a year, when the size of that quick-and-dirty DB grows bigger than expected, and becomes vital to the organization (or

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-17 Thread Ron Johnson
On Thu, 2005-11-17 at 22:41 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 09:40:32AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote: On Wed, 2005-11-16 at 22:43 -0500, Carl Fink wrote: So it's inefficent. So what? Because in 6 months or a year, when the size of that quick-and-dirty DB grows bigger

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread loos
\ 9- # chmod 777 /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/soffice This step seemed but soffice was installed with mode 000 and therefore could not be executed (started). Bad idea, there are a lot of steps between 000 and 777 Don't ever use 777 It is a program you don't need write

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 10:33:37PM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: [OpenOffice.org's new database-front-end capabilities] I'd still like to know what, in business terms if you like, you can do with this, that you cannot do with e.g. LAMP. It's a weird question. There's nothing there you can't

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Steve Lamb
Carl Fink wrote: What the Access-like features of OOo 2 let one do is create and manipulate and use databases WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LEARNING HOW. Ah... you mean inefficiently and incorrectly. Got it. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 04:52:55PM -0800, Steve Lamb wrote: Carl Fink wrote: What the Access-like features of OOo 2 let one do is create and manipulate and use databases WITHOUT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME LEARNING HOW. Ah... you mean inefficiently and incorrectly. Got it. Ah, you're a

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Bruce Hohl
--- loos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 9- # chmod 777 /opt/openoffice.org2.0/program/soffice This step seemed but soffice was installed with mode 000 and therefore could not be executed (started). Bad idea, there are a lot of steps between 000 and 777 Don't ever use 777 It is a

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Thu, Nov 17, 2005 at 01:26:50AM +, Antony Gelberg wrote: I think users need to get back to learning a little. I was asked by a customer yesterday why Thunderbird doesn't capitalise the H in Hello like Outlook (Word) does. I was too speechless to suggest just typing properly. In

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:11 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Andy Streich wrote: latest and greatest of everything. What I did find surprising after reading this list for a while was that stable meant not only really stable but also really slow release cycle. Okay,

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread loos
Em Ter, 2005-11-15 às 16:44 -0600, Ron Johnson escreveu: On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 11:11 +, Antony Gelberg wrote: Steve Lamb wrote: Andy Streich wrote: latest and greatest of everything. What I did find surprising after reading this list for a while was that stable meant not

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread Bruce Hohl
It's not that simple. A lot of newbies dive into testing or unstable because they "have" to have the newest stuff, then they don't know what to do when their system breaks. So it's Debian's *fault* that newbies whine when they make no effort to read the Debian web site? Gentlemen: My

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-15 Thread Ron Johnson
On Tue, 2005-11-15 at 18:25 -0800, Bruce Hohl wrote: It's not that simple. A lot of newbies dive into testing or unstable because they have to have the newest stuff, then they don't know what to do when their system breaks. So it's Debian's *fault* that newbies whine when they make

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread loos
Em Dom, 2005-11-13 às 17:19 -0500, Carl Fink escreveu: On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:16:27AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Carl Fink wrote: Why use a distro if you're going to have to manually install things anyway? That might make sense if we were just installing an OS but everyone

Re: A few general questions from a Debian newbie

2005-11-14 Thread Carl Fink
On Mon, Nov 14, 2005 at 01:39:07PM -0200, loos wrote: Em Dom, 2005-11-13 ?s 17:19 -0500, Carl Fink escreveu: On Sun, Nov 13, 2005 at 11:16:27AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote: Carl Fink wrote: Why use a distro if you're going to have to manually install things anyway? That might

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