Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-14 Thread tomas
On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 06:56:07PM +0100, piorunz wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Same here, I am on GMX mailbox too, received a warning recently that I > will be unsubscribed forcibly because my e-mail provider GMX rejected > spam Debian list is sending towards me. LOL. Maybe Debia

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-14 Thread piorunz
Hi Thomas, Same here, I am on GMX mailbox too, received a warning recently that I will be unsubscribed forcibly because my e-mail provider GMX rejected spam Debian list is sending towards me. LOL. Maybe Debian e-mail server could improve filtering so I don't receive any spam in the first

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-13 Thread Alex King
hreat. the mail is an information that - if there are more bounces (and there is a number and a total number in x days _and_ a number in percent) that if the threshold is surpassed you will be unsubscribed. There is no threat. Only an information. As a point of information, there was a th

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Karen Lewellen wrote: > As a side note..I got the message, assuming you mean the one indicating it > was from new service with account statement or some such. Yes. The message which was bounced by GMX is in the list archive as https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2024/08/msg00366.html Ob

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Karen Lewellen
As a side note..I got the message, assuming you mean the one indicating it was from new service with account statement or some such. Naturally, I did not so much as open the item. seems like a broad list attempt, assuming this is the post you are referencing of course. Kare On Sun, 11 Aug 2

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread eben
actly what it is. The mail in question was not put into any mail box. I only became aware when i was informed by the Debian list automat that bad things would happen if ... Yes, and not only can you not disable their anti-spam measures, you have to log into webmail each time to undo it. O

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, debian-u...@howorth.org.uk wrote: > You don't need to run a mailserver to do something similar. I simply > told my ISP (Zen) not to filter spam out of my mail. Normally GMX puts spam into a separate box where i can unjail it if i deem it not guilty. (Happens often enough.)

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hello, On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 08:25:09PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > How do you then explain that it lasted 2 days until i got affected > exactly after i challenged the (potential) troll by stating: > "although i seem not to be worth to be targeted by our bounce assassin," > > Between the f

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread debian-user
Andy Smith wrote: > Personally what I do is silently discard spammy emails from known > list servers instead of rejecting them at SMTP time (which is > otherwise and usually desirable). Doing that does require running > your own mail server though, which almost no one does. You d

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > debian-user is the only mailing list where i ever > > witnessed that a troll exploited the unscubscription habits to > > throw out multiple users. Andy Smith wrote: > I was here when those events occurred and that is not what happened. > [...] > It was just a bug in Debian's list

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Andy Smith
on to the list, but it was incorrectly parsing out the subscriber it thought they were coming from. The result was that it was accumulating bounce score for whoever sent the mail that was being bounced, not the system bouncing the email. I explained this in the thread you linked to: https:/

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
ems by first asking how many mail providers differ slightly from the list servers assessment and reaction. As next step i would ask the list masters to consider ignoring bounces if the mail has a nearly-spam score on the Debian list. In such a case it is likely that other servers see a barely-spam s

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Sun, Aug 11, 2024 at 01:51:50PM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > i just received a message from the list server that my mail provider > GMX has rejected a spam message which the Debian list allowed to pass > by a tiny not-spam margin. > From this quite unsuspicious situation th

Re: Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Eike Lantzsch ZP5CGE / KY4PZ
On Sunday, 11 August 2024 07:51:50 -04 Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > i just received a message from the list server that my mail provider > GMX has rejected a spam message which the Debian list allowed to pass > by a tiny not-spam margin. > From this quite unsuspicious situat

Nearly-spam mail causes unsubscription threat

2024-08-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i just received a message from the list server that my mail provider GMX has rejected a spam message which the Debian list allowed to pass by a tiny not-spam margin. From this quite unsuspicious situation the automat of Debian Listmaster Team derived the threat to unsubscribe me. I see the

Re: Network-manager issue after installation, was: Re: your mail

2024-07-30 Thread Dan Ritter
Franco Martelli wrote: > On 30/07/24 at 17:29, Tawsif wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 01:08:39PM +0600, Tawsif wrote: > > I have a very small storage size for my laptop (64gb). So, I installed > > debian minimal in it. > > If you can, reinstalls Debian as usual, my KDE's installation takes abo

Network-manager issue after installation, was: Re: your mail

2024-07-30 Thread Franco Martelli
On 30/07/24 at 17:29, Tawsif wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 01:08:39PM +0600, Tawsif wrote: I have a very small storage size for my laptop (64gb). So, I installed debian minimal in it. If you can, reinstalls Debian as usual, my KDE's installation takes about 10GB: ~$ LC_ALL=C.UTF-8 df / Fil

Re: your mail

2024-07-30 Thread Walt E
anager doesn't seee my >wifi interface on that list thus it manages that interface. My question is why >does this happen? How can I prevent it? Like you know why can't I manage my >wifi interface with network-manager even though I removed it from the /etc/ >network/interfaces l

Re: your mail

2024-07-30 Thread Tawsif
e on that list thus it manages that interface. My question > is why > >does this happen? How can I prevent it? Like you know why can't I manage > my > >wifi interface with network-manager even though I removed it from the > /etc/ > >network/interfaces list? > &

Re: Never receive an unsubscription confirmation e-mail

2024-07-27 Thread Andy Smith
Hi, On Fri, Jul 26, 2024 at 05:39:30PM +0200, rudu wrote: > I wrote an e-mail to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with the > subject "unsubscribe" and sent it, expecting to receive a confirmation > e-mail ... which never comes ... > I also tried https://www.debian.org/Ma

Never receive an unsubscription confirmation e-mail

2024-07-26 Thread rudu
Hello, I'm just trying to suspend my subscription to Debian-user for a few weeks. So, I wrote an e-mail to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with the subject "unsubscribe" and sent it, expecting to receive a confirmation e-mail ... which never comes ... I also tried https:/

Re: Testmail_2: Re: Testmail_1: This is a new created mail!

2024-07-04 Thread The Wanderer
On 2024-07-04 at 16:01, Hans wrote: > Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2024, 21:59:23 CEST schrieb Hans: > >> This is a newly created testmail! This one should appear without >> the SPAM tag. >> >> After I get this mail from the list, I resent a reply to this mail &g

Testmail_2: Re: Testmail_1: This is a new created mail!

2024-07-04 Thread Hans
Am Donnerstag, 4. Juli 2024, 21:59:23 CEST schrieb Hans: > This is a newly created testmail! This one should appear without the SPAM > tag. > > After I get this mail from the list, I resent a reply to this mail named > Testmail_2. > > Hans This is a reply to my own Testma

Testmail_1: This is a new created mail!

2024-07-04 Thread Hans
This is a newly created testmail! This one should appear without the SPAM tag. After I get this mail from the list, I resent a reply to this mail named Testmail_2. Hans

Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam!

2024-06-23 Thread Felix Miata
CHRIS M composed on 2024-06-23 21:36 (UTC-0500): > Felix Miata wrote: >> Stefan's isn't the only, but few others from any source become repeats, one >> of which is every notification of new post added to subscribed thread on >> forums.opensuse.org. >> Trying to get EL to stop putting subscribed

Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam!

2024-06-23 Thread John Hasler
Felix Miata wrote: > Trying to get EL to stop putting subscribed email into "known spam" is > futile. The mechanism EL provides to avoid such diversions doesn't work > with debian mailing list posts. Quit using EL email. Use Pobox. Yes, it costs money. It's worth it. -- John Hasler j...@sugar

Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! (was: mounting external hard drive...)

2024-06-23 Thread CHRIS M
utting subscribed email into "known spam" is > futile. The mechanism EL provides to avoid such diversions doesn't work > with debian mailing list posts. > > :~( Sounds like its time to turn off Earthlink's Spam filtering and teach SeaMonkey Mail, what *IS* spam and wha

Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam!

2024-06-23 Thread Stefan Monnier
[ Sent directly to debian-user@lists. ] > FWIW, this reply goes to list because I expect high probability Stefan would > not > see it otherwise. Most mailing list posts flow through to me unimpeded. Not so > with Stefan's. AFAICT, every one of his is captured by Earthlink.net's "known > spam" fo

Re: OT - list mail claimed to be "known" spam! (was: mounting external hard drive...)

2024-06-23 Thread Felix Miata
Stefan Monnier composed on 2024-06-23 12:35 (UTC-0400): ... FWIW, this reply goes to list because I expect high probability Stefan would not see it otherwise. Most mailing list posts flow through to me unimpeded. Not so with Stefan's. AFAICT, every one of his is captured by Earthlink.net's "known s

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-06-16 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/05/2024 09:17, Max Nikulin wrote: On 15/05/2024 02:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 08:16:20PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Messages in Markdown in the Windows world? I have never seen it. [...] The only sensible interpretation I can come up with for why these asterisks

Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

2024-06-04 Thread Max Nikulin
On 04/06/2024 02:08, Chris M wrote: I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox format to store emails. It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client. You may configure local IMAP server (e.g. dovecot) to store your archive. It allows

Re: WAS: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ).. NOW~~The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

2024-06-03 Thread David Wright
On Mon 03 Jun 2024 at 14:08:46 (-0500), Chris M wrote: > I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox > format to store emails. > It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client. > > Is there any "dangers" I need

Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

2024-06-03 Thread Chris M
Felix Miata wrote: As I'm up 24/7, I never bother going "offline" in SM. What I meant was, I always click in SM: File > Offline > Work Offline That way SM isn't doing anything in the background while I am compacting folders. OLD bad habit, I know.

Re: The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

2024-06-03 Thread Felix Miata
Chris M composed on 2024-06-03 14:08 (UTC-0500): > Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a > certain size? > or a certain amount of emails per folder etc? ... > I always go offline, and then compact my folders after I get done > reading emails. In SM at least, s

WAS: [ SOLVED] Re: Yet ANOTHER ThunderTurd ( Thunderbird ).. NOW~~The dangers of .mbox mail clients?

2024-06-03 Thread Chris M
I am needing a "refresher course" on mail clients that use the .mbox format to store emails. It's been years since I've used this kind of mail client. Is there any "dangers" I need to know about? Like, keeping the mailbox a certain size? or a certain amount of em

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 08:26:55PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 17/05/2024 18:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > On 17/05/2024 10:16, Karl Vogel wrote: > > > > https://github.com/aaronsw/html2text/ might interest you. It > > > > converts > > > > (relatively) sane HTML into Markdown. > > > >

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-18 Thread Max Nikulin
On 17/05/2024 18:10, Greg Wooledge wrote: On 17/05/2024 10:16, Karl Vogel wrote: https://github.com/aaronsw/html2text/ might interest you. It converts (relatively) sane HTML into Markdown. I put html2text.py into $HOME/lib and use this to call it: #!/bin/sh # [...] ht

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-17 Thread tomas
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 03:25:49PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML > >> into some lightweight markup (yeah, you need a bit of heuristics for > >> that ;-) -- say Org, but why not its poor s

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-17 Thread Chip Smith
ling list don't have the time.  I've also never really used Emacs as I came over to GNU/Linux from the later generations of the 9.x series of Windows in the early to mid 2000;s. On 5/17/24 20:31, Max Nikulin wrote: On 18/05/2024 02:25, Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually I've been tempte

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-17 Thread Max Nikulin
On 18/05/2024 02:25, Stefan Monnier wrote: Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML into some lightweight markup (yeah, you need a bit of heuristics for that ;-) -- say Org, but why not its poor sister Markdown. Please don't settle for markdown. I would

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-17 Thread Henning Follmann
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 03:25:49PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote: > >> Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML > >> into some lightweight markup (yeah, you need a bit of heuristics for > >> that ;-) -- say Org, but why not its poor s

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-17 Thread Stefan Monnier
>> Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML >> into some lightweight markup (yeah, you need a bit of heuristics for >> that ;-) -- say Org, but why not its poor sister Markdown. > Please don't settle for markdown. I would love a org

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-17 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 12:43:49PM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 17/05/2024 10:16, Karl Vogel wrote: > >https://github.com/aaronsw/html2text/ might interest you. It converts > >(relatively) sane HTML into Markdown. > > > >I put html2text.py into $HOME/lib and use this to call it: > >

Re: mail tags in kmail?

2024-05-17 Thread Anssi Saari
Hans writes: > Dear list, > > does anyone know, where kmail is storing its tags for mails? The tags I mean > are those like "already read". I've never done that but maybe this helps, from https://docs.kde.org/stable5/en/kmail/kmail2/faq.html#transfer-mail-and-setting

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-16 Thread Max Nikulin
On 17/05/2024 10:16, Karl Vogel wrote: https://github.com/aaronsw/html2text/ might interest you. It converts (relatively) sane HTML into Markdown. I put html2text.py into $HOME/lib and use this to call it: #!/bin/sh # I am puzzled by this wrapper. I expect that "$@" is enou

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-16 Thread Karl Vogel
>> On Thu, May 16, 2024 at 09:48:23AM -0400, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: > Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML > into some lightweight markup (yeah, you need a bit of heuristics for > that ;-) -- say Org, but why not its poor sister Markdown.

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-16 Thread Max Nikulin
On 16/05/2024 20:47, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML into some lightweight markup (yeah, you need a bit of heuristics for that ;-) -- say Org, but why not its poor sister Markdown. I am not familiar with pandoc features enou

mail tags in kmail?

2024-05-16 Thread Hans
Dear list, does anyone know, where kmail is storing its tags for mails? The tags I mean are those like "already read". Background: When I rsync the folder with my mails, which is here ~/.kde/ share/apps/kmail/mail , to another computer, then all new mails are tagged as "n

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-16 Thread Curt
On 2024-05-16, Stefan Monnier wrote: >> When this sort of subject comes up (as it does, every so often), I wonder >> why `text/markdown` isn't offered as a mime type for sending emails. > > FWIW, last time I tried to send `text/(x-)markdown` messages, Attribute quotes accurately. https://wiki.

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-16 Thread Henning Follmann
o complain to their > > MUA's authors (most of those MUAs are of course proprietary and are not > > very ... responsive, but that's all we can do). > > Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML > into some lightweight markup (yeah, you ne

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-16 Thread tomas
and are not > very ... responsive, but that's all we can do). Actually I've been tempted to teach my mail reader to transform HTML into some lightweight markup (yeah, you need a bit of heuristics for that ;-) -- say Org, but why not its poor sister Markdown. > > The stupidest case I b

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-16 Thread Stefan Monnier
> When this sort of subject comes up (as it does, every so often), I wonder > why `text/markdown` isn't offered as a mime type for sending emails. FWIW, last time I tried to send `text/(x-)markdown` messages, I discovered that many "popular" MUAs do not display those at all (they treat them as att

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-15 Thread David
On Wed, 2024-05-15 at 15:57 +0100, Darac Marjal wrote: > On 15/05/2024 03:17, Max Nikulin wrote: > > > On 15/05/2024 02:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > > > On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 08:16:20PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: > > > > > > > Messages in Ma

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-15 Thread Darac Marjal
On 15/05/2024 03:17, Max Nikulin wrote: On 15/05/2024 02:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 08:16:20PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Messages in Markdown in the Windows world? I have never seen it. [...] The only sensible interpretation I can come up with for why these asterisks

Re: Markup in mail messages

2024-05-14 Thread eben
pecific to markdown. However sometimes I use them not expecting that the message will be rendered as markdown. Just to avoid ambiguity where a piece of code starts and ends. If your mail path is sufficiently modern, you might be able to use Unicode subscripts₁ and superscripts². But, they're

Markup in mail messages (was: Re: OT: Top Posting)

2024-05-14 Thread Max Nikulin
On 15/05/2024 02:32, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 08:16:20PM +0200, Nicolas George wrote: Messages in Markdown in the Windows world? I have never seen it. [...] The only sensible interpretation I can come up with for why these asterisks were added is that they're being placed a

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-20 Thread David Wright
n issue. > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages > on the server? Well, sorting by Date, mutt lists your post at position: 33858 L 231118 Peter Ehlert (1.2K) Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail out of a total of 33910 on

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-20 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:15:56 -0600 Mike McClain wrote: Hello Mike, >A second item that's slightly off topic, I've had no luck setting >up claws-mail to send out through frontier.net and if anyone knows how >to do that I'd appreciate the claws-mail setup for it. Wit

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-20 Thread Roy J. Tellason, Sr.
On Monday 20 November 2023 11:15:56 am Mike McClain wrote: > Seeing several messages complaining about fetching messages from > gmail.com I'd like to point out that gmail can be set to forward all > messages to a gmail account to another account on a different server. That's exactly what I'm doin

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-20 Thread Tixy
a message making that point several years ago, I'm sure I've mentioned that here before. I did it in my last job as my employer used Google for mail, so I just forwarded everything to an email account on my email server at home. -- Tixy

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-20 Thread Mike McClain
m log into gmail but get all messages sent to my gmail accounts by others. A second item that's slightly off topic, I've had no luck setting up claws-mail to send out through frontier.net and if anyone knows how to do that I'd appreciate the claws-mail setup for it. Thanks, Mike

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-19 Thread Darac Marjal
On 19/11/2023 17:50, Tixy wrote: On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 07:58 -0800, Peter Ehlert wrote: Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? My question was incomplete.  I should have added that I must have local copies of almost everything, for Me to filter

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-19 Thread Tixy
On Sun, 2023-11-19 at 07:58 -0800, Peter Ehlert wrote: > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave > > messages > > on the server? > My question was incomplete.  I should have added that I must have > local > copies of almost everything

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-19 Thread Peter Ehlert
uot; seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know who to trust I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? My question was incomplete.  I should have added that I must have loca

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-19 Thread peter ehlert
. I will message their support and help them correct their error. thanks for listening. Peter Ehlert On 11/18/23 09:06, peter ehlert wrote: damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts! now using the hateful Gmail... maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing l

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-19 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 11:57:03 + Joe wrote: Hello Joe, >On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:31:31 + >Brad Rogers wrote: >> Can be altered in Prefs. >> Display; Summaries Message list tab "Mark message as read" section. >Thank you. I never told it to do that. I think (but don't quote me) it's the def

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread Brad Rogers
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 + Joe wrote: Hello Joe, >currently, selecting an email in the list marks it as read, which is not Can be altered in Prefs. Display; Summaries Message list tab "Mark message as read" section. -- Regards _ "Valid sig separator is {dash}{dash}{space}"

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread David Wright
On Sun 19 Nov 2023 at 04:29:57 (+), Tim Woodall wrote: > On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote: > > > If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server > > using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may > > help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local s

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread Tim Woodall
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023, Joe wrote: If this area is likely to be the issue, try telnet to the IMAP server using port 143, you should get back a list of capabilities which may help. Oddly, though I'm using port 993 to my local server, it does not return any information from that port, only on 143. Pr

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread jeremy ardley
On 19/11/23 08:04, jeremy ardley wrote: On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote: IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via right-click -> delete. A client can also alter messages retained on a server or ev

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread jeremy ardley
On 19/11/23 01:59, Alex wrote: IMAP clients will therefore keep messages on the IMAP server and not delete them unless you specifically tell them to, for example via right-click -> delete. A client can also alter messages retained on a server or event insert new messages. This is interest

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread Charles Curley
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 19:20:49 + Joe wrote: > Claws cannot compose HTML emails, which may be a showstopper for you. > It can display HTML, though I always use plain text. If I really need > to see HTML, such as when an unsubscribe link is buried in 100K of > useless markup, I use a webmail clie

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 03:58:20PM -0500, Pocket wrote: > Will this work? > > symlink /var/mail/paulf to /home/paulf/Mail/in > > ln -vs /home/paulf/Mail/in /var/mail/paulf I wouldn't expect it to work. Most programs that try to deliver to an mbox file like /var/mail/usern

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Pocket
On 11/18/23 07:44, Paul M Foster wrote: Folks: After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in. I could r

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread Joe
t an issue. > > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave > messages on the server? Yes, IMAP is server-oriented, POP3 is single-client oriented. It's not unusual for me to have my IMAP account open in more than one client simultaneously. If you're having

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread Alex
On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:58:41 -0800 Peter Ehlert wrote: > Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave > messages on the server? That's why IMAP exists to begin with. IMAP was made to make it possible for multiple clients to manage the same mailbox[1]. IMAP c

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread peter ehlert
damn! I forgot... not able to receive on my POP mail accounts! now using the hateful Gmail... maybe that's why Thunderbird can't use a mailing list, they don't trust their own email app. Eff Them! On 11/18/23 08:58, Peter Ehlert wrote: thread back from the dead: first, thanks

Re: IMAP vs POP was Thunderbird vs Claws Mail

2023-11-18 Thread Peter Ehlert
webmasters dot com IMP vs POP ...the "web" seems to reverse the definitions! I don't know who to trust I really want to keep messages on their server, space is Not an issue. Question: with IMAP is it feasible for a mail client to Leave messages on the server? On 8/15/23 09:43, Pet

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Paul M Foster wrote: > Also worth noting that I have exim installed, which handles the cron job > emails, and puts them, by default into the standard location, > /var/mail/paulf. Missed this. You can either have exim hand off to maildrop, or deliver where you want via a .forward fil

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Paul M Foster wrote: > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 09:29:02AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of > > > going > > > back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I'

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Christoph Brinkhaus
Am Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:15:42AM -0500 schrieb Paul M Foster: > On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 09:29:02AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > > > Paul M Foster wrote: > > > After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of > > > going > > >

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 10:15:42AM -0500, Paul M Foster wrote: > This would be okay if all my mail was delivered to that spool file, but it > isn't. Fetchmail hands off (internet) mail to maildrop, which puts in my > spool file at /home/paulf/Mail/in. That's where mutt thinks

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sat, Nov 18, 2023 at 09:29:02AM -0500, Dan Ritter wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > > After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going > > back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get > > local mail in /var/

Re: Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Dan Ritter
Paul M Foster wrote: > After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going > back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get > local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in. > > I could run a

Fetching local mail

2023-11-18 Thread Paul M Foster
Folks: After using claws-mail for a number of years, I'm testing the idea of going back to mutt and fetchmail. One problem I've encountered is how to get local mail in /var/mail/paulf into mutt's inbox at /home/paulf/Mail/in. I could run a POP server, and have fetchmail query it

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-14 Thread Curt
On 2023-11-13, Andreas Ronnquist wrote: > > I believe gmail _requires_ OAUTH2 authorisation for "non-secure apps" > nowadays - which is pretty much all apps except gmails own. AFAIK, gmail still supports application-specific passwords.

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Andreas Ronnquist
;t include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail > and fetchmail won't work without an MTA. > I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email accounts at att.net > and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right to the point that claws-mail > will collect

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Karen Lewellen
no difference. To whom? The OP's problem, or hypothetically? Many people prefer IMAP, certainly. Equally, there are those that prefer POP3 - myself among them. Of course, with google, it's largely academic; They keep them all, anyway. It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Ma

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Brad Rogers
CM. POP3 and IMAP (etc, etc.) are protocols CM handles well. It also makes no difference to OP, personal preference aside, of course. >It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Mail mailing list. I think Already on it. Although I rarely post there these days. Never when it comes to setting up g

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Marco Moock
Am 13.11.2023 um 07:09:55 Uhr schrieb Jeffrey Walton: > It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Mail mailing list. I think > you will find there is a difference in the level of support for POP3 > and IMAP. There are usually several messages a month about the > differences. Can you

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
, or hypothetically? > Many people prefer IMAP, certainly. Equally, there are those that > prefer POP3 - myself among them. Of course, with google, it's largely > academic; They keep them all, anyway. It might be a good idea to join the Claws-Mail mailing list. I think you will f

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 05:22:13 -0500 Jeffrey Walton wrote: Hello Jeffrey, >I seem to recall IMAP is a better choice than POP when using Claws. It makes no difference. Many people prefer IMAP, certainly. Equally, there are those that prefer POP3 - myself among them. Of course, with google, it's

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Joe
+rpt2 (2023-10-05) aarch64 GNU/Linux This install didn't > > include exim4, postfix or anything supplying sendmail and fetchmail > > won't work without an MTA. I've set up several accounts in > > claws-mail for email accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far >

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
or anything supplying sendmail > and fetchmail won't work without an MTA. > I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email accounts at att.net > and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right to the point that claws-mail > will collect mail from an

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-12 Thread Marco Moock
ut an MTA. I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email > accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right > to the point that claws-mail will collect mail from any of those > accounts via POP mail. Claws mail directly supports IMAP, POP3, SMTP and N

Re: claws-mail

2023-11-12 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 13 Nov 2023 04:39:02 + (UTC) mike.junk...@att.net wrote: Hello mike.junk...@att.net, >I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to get claws-mail working Head over to https://lists.claws-mail.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/users Maybe even subscribe to their list. Expect to have

claws-mail

2023-11-12 Thread mike . junk . 46
t an MTA. I've set up several accounts in claws-mail for email accounts at att.net and gmail.com but so far haven't got them right to the point that claws-mail will collect mail from any of those accounts via POP mail. I'd appreciate any suggestions on how to get cla

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-12 Thread Gareth Evans
On Sat 11 Nov 2023, at 20:56, Thomas Schmitt wrote: On Sat 11 Nov 2023, at 20:23, Greg Wooledge wrote: >> Telnet to bendel, port 25. Wait for the banner. Type "EHLO your.domain". >> Type "quit" to get out. > > The protocol is named SMTP. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_Mail_Transfer_Pr

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-11 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, > On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 08:16:20PM +, Gareth Evans wrote: > > > On 9 Nov 2023, at 13:47, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > > > > > > 220 bendel.debian.org ESMTP Postfix > > > ehlo penguin > > > 250-bendel.debian.org > > > 250-PIPELINING > > > 250-SIZE 3072 > > > 250-STARTTLS > > > 250-ENHAN

Re: limit on attachment in mail to list

2023-11-11 Thread Greg Wooledge
On Sat, Nov 11, 2023 at 08:16:20PM +, Gareth Evans wrote: > > On 9 Nov 2023, at 13:47, Byung-Hee HWANG wrote: > > > > 220 bendel.debian.org ESMTP Postfix > > ehlo penguin > > 250-bendel.debian.org > > 250-PIPELINING > > 250-SIZE 3072 > > 250-STARTTLS > > 250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES > > 250-8B

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