People,
Please end the thread at this point. Thank you.
As Andy Smith points out, I asked politely for this thread to cease
a while ago because it would degenerate to more heat than light.
I was wrong - it degenerated to futility.
Please remember the FAQ: remember the Code of Conduct and the way
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:59 PM Bret Busby wrote:
>
> On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> >> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> >> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *TH
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> I think the discussion might usefully stop at this point before it
> degenerates to more heat than light (as is the way of most discussions
> eventually - call it an application of mailing list entropy :) )
Three weeks on a
Will Mengarini wrote:
>> With no intention of ever creating a 100% offensive-free
>> language, removing the worst offenders from the scene often
>> is enough.
>
> Words I find offensive include "authority" and "manager", so
> checking `apropos authori manager` I see we have a lot of
> important wo
On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!
At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2
On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!
At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the
atmosphere to combine it w
* Mariusz Gronczewski [24-02/23=Fr 10:33 +0100]:
>>> It's entirely US political feel-good activism that
>>> doesn't change anything but wastes people's time. Do
>>> you actually think pressing on brake pedal oppresses
>>> anybody? Because it also has master and slave cylinders.
>>>
>>> All it do
Mike Castle wrote:
> Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any
> type of explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements
> leading to that conclusion?
Relax, everyone does something somewhere. But it would be
a boring world if they were only allowed to talk about that.
--
Alain D D Williams wrote:
> That is the big difference. Not use words *currently* deemed
> offensive in *new* publications (books, newspaper articles,
> ...) - this is not hard to do.
Indeed, and that is what you should focus on. The past is the
past anyway.
> What we are faced with is something
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 09:01:30AM -0700, Mike Castle wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
> > work.
>
> Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of
> explicit "I
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
> work.
Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of
explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements leading to that
conclusion?
mr
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:42:25AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Mike Castle wrote:
>
> >> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers.
> >> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in
> >> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different
> >> words will then be co
Mike Castle wrote:
>> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers.
>> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in
>> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different
>> words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this
>> all again?
>
> Yes.
Remember, the
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:07 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour our
> systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in, say, 20 years
> time when different words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this
> a
Alain D D Williams wrote:
> However that is not the way that the world works, or prolly
> more accurately how some people think. They see
> a word/phrase that they have decided that they "own" or
> somehow relates to them [...]
I am not black so I have no idea how black people consider
everything
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t's time to kill this thread - nothing useful is being said at this point.
At its best, this list is useful for helping people and for providing
information.
It's also a window on the world of Debian and how Debian contributors, regulars
on the list
(and t
Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 11:22:50
Alain D D Williams napisał(a):
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades
> > > walking back Po
ld you acquiesce that shunning certain words (nigger,faggot etc.)
that are used 99% as an insults is reasonable, while leaving ones that
have multiple uses (master, slave, git, gimp) and not being used in
modern speech as insults untouched is a reasonable approach ?
--
Mariusz Gronczewski (XANi)
GnuPG: 0xEA8ACE64
https://devrandom.eu
Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 00:27:41
Marco Moock napisał(a):
> Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100
> schrieb Emanuel Berg :
>
> > I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated
> > with everything negative that is black in language.
>
> I can't understand why people draw that associat
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking
> > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal
> > in what our software
Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 19:44:44
Jeffrey Walton napisał(a):
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith
> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking
> > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal
> > in what our software
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 10:22:09AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> I think I'm out of it. *Plonk*
> --
> t
For keeping that promise would it be better to use "Reply-To-List".
And in other cases is it also better to use "Reply-To-List".
Groeten
Geert Stappers
P.S.
The better e
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:30:35PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to
> >> make efforts to help 1 or 2 h
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> May I interject a different perspective?
>> what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that
>> some
>> see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teach
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to
>> make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and
>> healing.
>
> To make sure the "majority"
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> May I interject a different perspective?
> what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that some
> see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teaching those
> people how to free themselves fro
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
[...]
> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to
> make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and
> healing.
To make sure the "majority" stays majority for all so ever: white,
male, West
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 6:37 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to
> human
> > interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking
>
>
> I'm not s
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote:
>
> [...]
> Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking
> back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal
> in what our software accepts is untenable in the face of a hostile
> Internet.
++. Postel's Law
On 2/25/24, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100
> schrieb Emanuel Berg :
>
>> I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated
>> with everything negative that is black in language.
>
> I can't understand why people draw that association.
> Black as a color is differe
Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100
schrieb Emanuel Berg :
> I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated
> with everything negative that is black in language.
I can't understand why people draw that association.
Black as a color is different from the skin and different from illegal
May I interject a different perspective?
what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that
some see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teaching
those people how to free themselves from being controlled by those words?
Yes, your goals may be honorable
Hello,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> If anyone wants to remove the references to ifenslave and
> substitute others, that's entirely fine.
I really don't think in this specific case it would be a good idea
to remove all mention of ifenslave because:
- The cu
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Hi people,
As you might have expected: this subject is drifting off-topic and becoming
a little more personal.
In answer to the first question: there's a reference to a wiki page.
It's a wiki page: it can be edited by (almost) anyone. If anyone wants
to
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:17:15AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 2/24/24, Andy Smith wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >> I wrote:
> >> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> >> > clear that the work was already
On 2/23/24, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
>> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I know this is a loaded topic...
> ...
>> There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
>> activism
>
> Statement one above pro
On 2/24/24, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> I wrote:
>> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
>> > clear that the work was already done.
>>
>> Assuming we care about the most rapid healing possible for
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>>
>> > > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such
>> > > words.
>> >
>> > The etymology certainly *sho
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to human
> interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking
The basic assumption that people mean well is how con artists and
high pressure
Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 14:42:39
Emanuel Berg napisał(a):
> jeremy ardley wrote:
>
> >> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block
> >> market" work just fine?
> >
> > The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45.
> > It has nothing to do with slaves. It means tran
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> > > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such
> > > words.
> >
> > The etymology certainly *should* matter, insofar as that is the origin
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such
> > words.
>
> The etymology certainly *should* matter, insofar as that is the origin
> of the *meaning* of the word(s).
+1
However that is not the way that the wor
On 2024-02-24 at 08:42, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> jeremy ardley wrote:
>
>>> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block market"
>>> work just fine?
>>
>> The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45. It has
>> nothing to do with slaves. It means transactions in the dark,
jeremy ardley wrote:
>> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block
>> market" work just fine?
>
> The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45.
> It has nothing to do with slaves. It means transactions in
> the dark, not visible, not official.
I think the reason is bl
On 24/2/24 19:25, Emanuel Berg wrote:
But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block
market" work just fine?
The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45. It has
nothing to do with slaves. It means transactions in the dark, not
visible, not official.
ister.com/2019/08/28/gimp_open_source_image_editor_forked_to_fix_problematic_name/
Personally, I don't really care, at least not in the
master/slave and GIMP cases.
Blacklist perhaps could and should be changed to blocklist.
But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block
mar
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> I wrote:
> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> > clear that the work was already done.
>
> Assuming we care about the most rapid healing possible for those who
> are actually triggered by ce
>> Yeah like asking other people to do changes because they want to be
>> activists on internet but can't bother to put effort to do anything
>> that actually helps anyone.
>
> You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> clear that the work was already done.
Assuming we c
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 21:10:31 +0100
Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> I just think this mailing
> list probably is not the right place to argue this question.
Hear, hear!
Those who wish to weigh in have done so. I doubt any further
argumentation will change anyone else's mind. Now kindly stop wasting
y
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 09:26:09PM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> in my /etc/interfaces there is now:
>
> auto bond0
> iface bond0 inet static
> address 10.0.16.2/24
> bond-slaves en0 en1
> bond-mode 4
> bond-miimon 100
> bond-downdelay 200
> bond-updelay
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 20:10 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> One more time: a successor to the Ethernet bonding driver already
> exists and has for more than 10 years.
That is the other thing I wanted to ask here, I have configured a
LACP link aggregating interface more or less similar to what is
descri
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 18:13 +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> "Do what I say, discussion is not allowed because I don't want to
> make a sensible arguments!"
This certainly is not my position. I have no problem arguing this
question, and I've got an opinion on it. I just think this mailing
l
or adding functionality.
I really don't want to argue any political arguments on the merits of
removing master/slave, blacklist/whitelist, black hat/white hat here,
but I think "it is some effort" or "it concerns only few people" is not
the strongest argument. *If* o
Hello,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 06:14:02PM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:50:12
> fxkl4...@protonmail.com napisał(a):
> > too many people have nothing constuctive to do
> > so they spend there days stirring the pile
> > idle hands and all that
>
> Yeah like asking
Dan Ritter writes:
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to bikeshed, though. Slavery ended in the US about 150
>> years ago. I don't know any slaves, and I don't own any slaves, so I
>> don't really have a dog in the fight.
>
>
> Point of fact: slavery is legal in the USA, as a legal puni
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 1:13 PM Gremlin wrote:
>
> On 2/23/24 12:51, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> [ >/dev/null ]
>
> >
> > Let's bring it back around to actual action.
> >
> > The possible positions:
> >
> > 1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
> >
>
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 5:36 AM Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>
> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> how far this has been progressed in Debian.
>
> Is there anyt
Am 23.02.2024 um 12:51:59 Uhr schrieb Dan Ritter:
> 1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
>
> 2. The terminology is bad, but I can't work on it myself.
>
> 3. The terminology does not bother me, but I don't care if someone
> else wants to fix it.
>
> 4. The terminolog
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:24:39AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Alain D D Williams :
>
> > It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour
> > our systems looking for similar issues in other languages ?
[...]
Fifty years ago it was "normal" to beat kids
On 2/23/24 12:51, Dan Ritter wrote:
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
[ >/dev/null ]
Let's bring it back around to actual action.
The possible positions:
1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
2. The terminology is bad, but I can't work on it myself.
3. The terminology does
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> I don't want to bikeshed, though. Slavery ended in the US about 150
> years ago. I don't know any slaves, and I don't own any slaves, so I
> don't really have a dog in the fight.
Point of fact: slavery is legal in the USA, as a legal punishment.
Other point of fact: t
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:50:12
fxkl4...@protonmail.com napisał(a):
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Andy Smith wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> >> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> >> political aspects of the
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:44:03
Andy Smith napisał(a):
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why",
>
> No surprise that there are a lot of people in this
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 5:08 AM Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 22.02.2024 schrieb Ralph Aichinger :
> [...]
> > Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> > network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decides
> > this terminology
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
>> political aspects of the "why",
>
> No surprise that there are a lot of people in this thread with very
> strong
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> political aspects of the "why",
No surprise that there are a lot of people in this thread with very
strong feelings that they simply must tell us about, even
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> It would *literally* break every single script that checks the status
> of bonding config in system, as it is all just plain text.
Unless a different driver was made instead. Which is what actually
happened.
Thanks,
Andy
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 11:25:25
> Roger Price napisał(a):
> > On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
> > > The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
> > >
> >
> > With the publication of RFC
On 02/23/2024 07:33 AM, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 12:40:19
Arno Lehmann napisał(a):
On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic...
...
There is no good reason *why*. It's ent
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 12:40:19
Arno Lehmann napisał(a):
> On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> I know this is a loaded topic...
> ...
> > There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
>
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Arno Lehmann :
> If there's a single person in the world who feels existing
> terminology to hurt them, I consider my usage of such terms.
Everytime there is somebody who doesn't like something.
I mostly care about technology and not the feelings a small amount of
users has.
On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic...
...
There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
activism
Statement one above proven.
...
All it does is wastes tens of thousands of p
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 10:54:09
napisał(a):
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > > political aspects of the "why",
t; packages (Network UPS Tools) did a vocabulary cleanup at release
> 2.8.0 which included changing Master/Slave to Primary/Secondary.
> There have been no reports in the mailing list of this causing any
> problems.
>
> Roger
>
Because nut have backward-compatible name support. Can&
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
With the publication of RFC 9271 "UPS Management Protocol", the nut packages
(Network UPS Tools) did a vocabulary cleanup at release 2.8.0 which included
changing Maste
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Alain D D Williams :
> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour
> our systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in,
> say, 20 years time when different words will then be considered
> offensive, by some, do this all again ?
In
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:00:39AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 23.02.2024 schrieb :
[...]
> > Oh, goody. A culture warrior.
>
> I'm sure you have good reasons for changing the terms. Feel free to
> provide some real arguments that have a benefit for the users.
I'm not the one proposing chang
s that are packed in the
repo.
Such changes are normally done upstream.
> Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decides
> this terminology)? I know these things are slow to change, jus
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> > how far this has bee
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb :
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know t
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> > how far this has bee
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
how far this has been progressed in Debian.
There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-
ing you from having a look at their issue tracker to
see if there is already an issue in place about that and possibly
propose changes yourself.
> Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decid
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
how far this has been progressed in Debian.
Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
network bonding
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> >> This is not a Debia
t's not so data intensive and
> you'll be using the hard disk software to read it anyway, whether it's a
> film or data.
>
> If you need to copy e.g. a CD .iso image from DVD to burn a CD, then
> you've either got a DVD reader reading relatively slowly, buffered
y slowly, buffered and
mediated via HD programs -> CD writer or you put up with clobbering data
on one cable and bus to copy pretty much directly from master -> slave.
It's all pretty academic if you have a fast motherboard / fast
processor / large amounts of memory :)
> Should I
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This is not a Debian questionbut I am running Sid.
I am about to install a Sony DVD writer in my machine and would
appreciate some advice.
I already have a DVD reader and a CD writer installed.
The reader is on its own IDE channel... the writer
hi ya spamhog ( cute )
On 4 Oct 2004, SpamHog wrote:
> Interesting point: what's in bytes 447 and 448?
- the boot records ( MBR ) is 512 bytes total
- there is only 4 primary partitions ... each is 16 bytes
( 64 bytes is the total number of bytes needed to
( define your prim
Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> if of is the new target disk, it will wipe out your partition table of
> your new disk ( bs=446 or bs=448 is better ) if you want to preserve
> the partitions on the target disk
I'd never advocate if = source disk, of = d
hi ya
On 2 Oct 2004, SpamHog wrote:
to swap disks ...
== make sure you have a boot floppy and a boot cd
== that can boot into that disk you are currently using
/dev/hda --> /dev/hdb
change hda->hdb in /etc/fstab
change hda->hdb in /etc/lilo.conf
#delay in s before booting default
title
root=(hd0,4)
kernel=/vmlinuz2.8.39 root=(hd0,0) ro
Save this file, then run
grub-install
Where can be expressed either in grubian language or in
fstabese language.
As seen in 8), I prefer to have each system equ
John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> Grub is Grand
And I thought that "Grand Unified Bootloader" was hubristic!
Until recently I used automatically installed lilo or grub rather
indifferently, both as bootloaders and bootselectors. This way I could
SpamHog wrote:
Thank you for your reply, John!
You have just opened to me
vast new expanses of ignorance
I didn't know I possessed.
What do you hope to achieve?
Justice and peace in our time. I also want to themove the current 8GB
master and turn the recently added and thoroughly tested 40
Thank you for your reply, John!
You have just opened to me
vast new expanses of ignorance
I didn't know I possessed.
> What do you hope to achieve?
Justice and peace in our time. I also want to themove the current 8GB
master and turn the recently added and thoroughly tested 40GB slave
into maste
SpamHog wrote:
I have multiple Debian installs on 2 IDE HDs on the same channel.
I want to turn the SLAVE into MASTER & viceversa.
Here's my planned checklist - am I missing anything?
What do you hope to achieve?
For ease of changing things around, I keep a simple, self-installing
graphic boot _
I have multiple Debian installs on 2 IDE HDs on the same channel.
I want to turn the SLAVE into MASTER & viceversa.
Here's my planned checklist - am I missing anything?
For ease of changing things around, I keep a simple, self-installing
graphic boot _selector_ (GAG) in the MBR of /dev/hda, and
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:52:59 -0500
Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Cheryl Homiak([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
[apologies to Wayne for snipping his post; I didn't catch the original]
> > Also, the person installing this can get the best price for me on a
> > lite-on cdrw,
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