On 22/8/19 3:25 am, Henning Follmann wrote:
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 07:43:26AM +1000, elvis wrote:
No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd?
I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by
spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month.
On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 22:23:20 +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:09:20 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> > On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 20:33:12 +0100, Joe wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100
> > > Brian wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Ease up? Perhaps.
> > > >
> > > > The "in gener
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 21:09:20 +0100
Brian wrote:
> On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 20:33:12 +0100, Joe wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100
> > Brian wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Ease up? Perhaps.
> > >
> > > The "in general" is interesting and informative. Suppose the USPS,
> > > Royal Mail or
On Mi, 21 aug 19, 20:07:36, Brian wrote:
> On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 13:19:32 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> >
> > Please ease up! I do not advocate this in general and I made
> > the limited use very clear. If a local plumber with 5 employees
> > uses this just for his business no freedom of speech
On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 20:33:12 +0100, Joe wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> >
> > Ease up? Perhaps.
> >
> > The "in general" is interesting and informative. Suppose the USPS,
> > Royal Mail or Deutsche Post etc decided the point of origin or the
> > destination for
On 2019-08-21 20:07, Brian wrote:
The epitomy of this is the discrimination against dynamic addresses.
Want
to be a mail second class citizen on the Net? Easy; don't have a static
address. Want to be homeless and send or receive a letter - Royal Mail
will not stop you. Email is a solution which
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 20:07:36 +0100
Brian wrote:
>
> Ease up? Perhaps.
>
> The "in general" is interesting and informative. Suppose the USPS,
> Royal Mail or Deutsche Post etc decided the point of origin or the
> destination for a mail was a criterion in their delivery policy? What
> a world we
On Wed 21 Aug 2019 at 13:19:32 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:38:13PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> > On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 14:43:08 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> >
> [...]
> > >
> > > In some cases I block complete regions (geoip blocking). This
> > > obviously works onl
On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 12:51:35 -0400
rhkra...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 02:44:22 PM Joe wrote:
> > I would be. Every day I read an email from my server listing every
> > sender's email address where my server has refused to accept the
> > mail and which were sent to one of the t
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:12:59PM -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:58:05 -0400
> Henning Follmann wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > I also block constantcontact and mailchimp, because they are basically
> > commercial spamming services and anyone can add anyone on any mailing list.
>
> See, t
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 05:21:14PM +0200, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:46:11AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:42:43PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> > >On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote:
> > >>>If you are not spamming people
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:51:22PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > I was referring to "add your MTA for no good reason".
> > That is vague and really not true.
>
> Why do you think that? Your ability to find out why a specific dom
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 07:43:26AM +1000, elvis wrote:
>
> > No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd?
> >
> >
> >
> I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by
> spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month.
>
postgrey has some severe
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:38:13PM +0100, Brian wrote:
> On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 14:43:08 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
>
[...]
> >
> > In some cases I block complete regions (geoip blocking). This
> > obviously works only for "local" mailservers.
> > But if you business doesn't have international
On Tuesday, August 20, 2019 02:44:22 PM Joe wrote:
> I would be. Every day I read an email from my server listing every
> sender's email address where my server has refused to accept the mail
> and which were sent to one of the three real names my server deals
> with.
So, is that from your own ema
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 05:32:28PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
On Tue 20/Aug/2019 23:11:27 +0200 Michael Stone wrote:
As an example, see https://www.spamhaus.org/dbl/ and "RHSBL"
These lists are used for content inspection
So you didn't look for what RHSBL means? The level of "my experie
On Tue 20/Aug/2019 23:11:27 +0200 Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:10:08PM +0300, Reco wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:45:31PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote:
Unless a blacklist adds victims by AS number, a change of M
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:46:11AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:42:43PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
> >On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote:
> >>>If you are not spamming people you also will not end up on a blacklist.
> >>
> >>Well, actual real-world
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:42:43PM +0200, Alessandro Vesely wrote:
On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote:
If you are not spamming people you also will not end up on a blacklist.
Well, actual real-world experience shows that to not be true.
You should (noisily) bring out that
On Tue 20/Aug/2019 19:26:23 +0200 Michael Stone wrote:
>> If you are not spamming people you also will not end up on a blacklist.
>
> Well, actual real-world experience shows that to not be true.
You should (noisily) bring out that case!
Blacklists have to balance between reliability and comple
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 07:43:26AM +1000, elvis wrote:
I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by
spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month.
Very little of my spam was blocked by postgrey, but it did break some
legitimate messages from providers not big enough to l
No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd?
I installed postgrey, my spam went from maybe 10 a day (that were caught by
spammassain) to maybe 1 or 2 a month.
--
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On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:10:08PM +0300, Reco wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:45:31PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
>
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:45:31PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > > So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regu
On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 15:29:41 -0400, Celejar wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:29:54 +0100
> Brian wrote:
>
> ...
>
> > The existence of an Internet swamped with spam has led to spam fighters
> > policing it and users demanding a means not to receive it. Between the
> > two, sending email direct
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
I was referring to "add your MTA for no good reason".
That is vague and really not true.
Why do you think that? Your ability to find out why a specific domain
got on a blacklist is pretty close to zero. You may be able to look a
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:39:43PM +0300, Reco wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regular basis" and "some
> blacklist can add your MTA for no good reason". First o
On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 14:43:08 -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 09:16:58PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> [...]
> > > I could go on.
> >
> > No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd?
> >
> >
> In most cases I use spamassassin.
> However my main defen
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 19:29:54 +0100
Brian wrote:
...
> The existence of an Internet swamped with spam has led to spam fighters
> policing it and users demanding a means not to receive it. Between the
> two, sending email directly has become more and more difficult. Spam
> hasn't disappeared or be
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:58:05 -0400
Henning Follmann wrote:
...
> I also block constantcontact and mailchimp, because they are basically
> commercial spamming services and anyone can add anyone on any mailing list.
See, this just illustrates the problem with aggresive blocking. Those
policies ma
An eye opener for me was when my site got blacklisted as a spammer because
I was sending bounce messages for every email I refused to accept (due to
spam).
False positives happen more often then you'd think when you're receiving
legitimate emails in English, from international non-native speakers,
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:24:42 -0400
Michael Stone wrote:
> Heck, there are even debian
> contributors whose personal email domains bounce emails from other
> debian contributors. Who knows if they're even aware of that?
>
I would be. Every day I read an email from my server listing every
sende
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 09:16:58PM +0300, Reco wrote:
[...]
> > I could go on.
>
> No need to. I have a single question - do you use SpamAssassin or Rspamd?
>
>
In most cases I use spamassassin.
However my main defense line is spamhaus and spamcop.
On spamcop I use also their service to submit co
On Tue 20 Aug 2019 at 11:24:42 -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > > If you setup your DNS properly creat
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:45:52PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:22:23PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -040
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 08:22:23PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300,
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 01:22:27PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regular basis" and "some
> > blacklist can add your MTA for no good reason". First one is universal
> > (applies to any Internet-facing
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> Heck, there are even debian
> contributors whose personal email domains bounce emails from other
> debian contributors. Who knows if they're even aware of that?
Ar
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
So it boils down to "MTA needs care on a regular basis" and "some
blacklist can add your MTA for no good reason". First one is universal
(applies to any Internet-facing service), second one can be beat with a
creative use of hosting. Also, htt
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 12:58:05PM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400,
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:14:01PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Hen
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 11:24:42AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > > > If you setup your DNS properly cr
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 05:57:40PM +0300, Reco wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> If you setup your DNS properly create SPF an DKIM almost all
> providers will accept your email IF (and that's
Hi.
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 10:48:44AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
> > If you setup your DNS properly create SPF an DKIM almost all
> > providers will accept your email IF (and that's a very big if)
> > you do not spam.
>
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 07:31:57AM -0400, Henning Follmann wrote:
If you setup your DNS properly create SPF an DKIM almost all
providers will accept your email IF (and that's a very big if)
you do not spam.
That's a nice idea, but simply not true. You'll be ok right up until you
aren't, and as
On 2019-08-19 19:35, Richard Owlett wrote:
IOW
*CHEAPSKATES LOSE*
You've been to the Isle of Wight haven't you.
--
Key ID4BFEBB31
On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 07:31:57 -0400
Henning Follmann wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 05:15:41PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 03:57:32PM -0500, Christopher Marlow wrote:
> > > On 8/19/19 3:41 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > > And, there are paid mail services which are no
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 05:15:41PM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 03:57:32PM -0500, Christopher Marlow wrote:
> > On 8/19/19 3:41 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
> > > And, there are paid mail services which are nonetheless pretty
> > > terrible. All that using a paid mail service m
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 03:57:32PM -0500, Christopher Marlow wrote:
On 8/19/19 3:41 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
And, there are paid mail services which are nonetheless pretty
terrible. All that using a paid mail service means is that you
aren't using a free mail service.
I disagree... I like h
On 8/19/19 3:41 PM, Michael Stone wrote:
And, there are paid mail services which are nonetheless pretty
terrible. All that using a paid mail service means is that you aren't
using a free mail service.
I disagree... I like having my domain and email.. I just didn't like the
way the free emai
On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 10:33:22PM +0200, Étienne Mollier wrote:
Besides, even when paying for your mail provider does not mean
Google won't read the mail received on the Gmail inbox of your
And, there are paid mail services which are nonetheless pretty terrible.
All that using a paid mail ser
David Wright, on 2019-08-19:
> On Mon 19 Aug 2019 at 13:35:13 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> > TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, TNSTAAFLetc ;/
> > I have a *PAID* email provider.
> > I have a *PAID* Usenet provider.
> >
> >
> > IOW
> > *CHEAPSKATES LOSE*
> >
> >u get what you paid for!
On Mon 19 Aug 2019 at 13:35:13 (-0500), Richard Owlett wrote:
> TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, TNSTAAFLetc ;/
> I have a *PAID* email provider.
> I have a *PAID* Usenet provider.
>
>
> IOW
> *CHEAPSKATES LOSE*
>
>u get what you paid for
It's reasonable to demand to know what yo
On 19/08/2019 19:35, Richard Owlett wrote:
TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, TNSTAAFL etc ;/
I have a *PAID* email provider.
I have a *PAID* Usenet provider.
IOW
*CHEAPSKATES LOSE*
u get what you paid for
Er, glad you got that off your chest!
--
Mike Howard
TANSTAAFL, TINSTAAFL, TNSTAAFLetc ;/
I have a *PAID* email provider.
I have a *PAID* Usenet provider.
IOW
*CHEAPSKATES LOSE*
u get what you paid for
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