Re: How to set up dvd+rw-tools source the way it gets compiled for Debian sid ?

2015-08-07 Thread Nicolas George
Le decadi 20 thermidor, an CCXXIII, Thomas Schmitt a écrit : > First i need to have it. How to apply the patches from > dvd+rw-tools_7.1-11.debian.tar.bz2 to the unpacked > dvd+rw-tools_7.1.orig.tar.gz so that i get the same source > that is used for producing Debian binary packa

Re: How to set up dvd+rw-tools source the way it gets compiled for Debian sid ?

2015-08-07 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Reco wrote: > 1) Change the source as appropriate. First i need to have it. How to apply the patches from dvd+rw-tools_7.1-11.debian.tar.bz2 to the unpacked dvd+rw-tools_7.1.orig.tar.gz so that i get the same source that is used for producing Debian binary packages ? I strive for the sou

Re: How to set up dvd+rw-tools source the way it gets compiled for Debian sid ?

2015-08-07 Thread Reco
t; > Since growisofs has no upstream any more, i plan to submit > patches towards Debian sid. > But how to combine the growisofs source files of sid to the > source installation which yields the sid growisofs binary ? > > In > https://packages.debian.org/sid/video/dvd+rw-tools

How to set up dvd+rw-tools source the way it gets compiled for Debian sid ?

2015-08-07 Thread Thomas Schmitt
ombine the growisofs source files of sid to the source installation which yields the sid growisofs binary ? In https://packages.debian.org/sid/video/dvd+rw-tools there are http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/d/dvd+rw-tools/dvd+rw-tools_7.1-11.dsc http://http.debian.net/debian/pool/main/d/dvd+rw

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-25 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 02:57:49PM +0200, Frederic Marchal wrote: > On Wednesday 24 June 2015 18:51:24 Jose Martinez wrote: > > NaCL -- Sodium Chloride -- common table salt. That just means you have > > to add your own!!:-D > > Actually, it stands f

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-25 Thread Frederic Marchal
On Wednesday 24 June 2015 18:51:24 Jose Martinez wrote: > NaCL -- Sodium Chloride -- common table salt. That just means you have > to add your own!!:-D Actually, it stands for Native Client (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Native_Client). It is Google's attempt to re-invent javascript :-)

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-24 Thread Jose Martinez
NaCL -- Sodium Chloride -- common table salt. That just means you have to add your own!!:-D On 06/22/2015 11:18 PM, Tim Beelen wrote: Wow, thanks! An actual thing I can try. I also found out in the mean time that Chromium does not come with/is not compiled with NaCl enabled (whatever that

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Tim Beelen
Wow, thanks! An actual thing I can try. I also found out in the mean time that Chromium does not come with/is not compiled with NaCl enabled (whatever that is) and that would prevent actual execution of the plugin. Thank you for pointing me in the direction of the tools to figure out what pr

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Jose Martinez
Say, maybe a tin-foil hat for the affected system could be designed to prevent this from happening?? :-D On 06/22/2015 05:25 AM, Darac Marjal wrote: On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:38:30PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On 06/21/2015 06:42 PM, John Hasler wrote: Tim Beelen writes: How do I find out wh

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Stephen Allen
On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 09:25:29AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Tim Beelen wrote: > > Is it true? Is Google actively listening in on my conversations? > > Google is if you're using google now, but chromium on Debian is not. No, It has to be activated manually. One can use NO

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Sun, 21 Jun 2015, Tim Beelen wrote: > Is it true? Is Google actively listening in on my conversations? Google is if you're using google now, but chromium on Debian is not. > Apparently this: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909 See https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugrepo

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Darac Marjal
On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 10:38:30PM -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > On 06/21/2015 06:42 PM, John Hasler wrote: > >Tim Beelen writes: > >>How do I find out which application is accessing what device? > > > >It's all software. There is no hardware involved at all: they use a > >virtual device. It works ev

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Michael Lange
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:14:23 +0100 Brad Rogers wrote: > On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:36:50 +0300 > David Baron wrote: > > Hello David, > > >Just because I am paranoid, that does not mean they are not, in fact, > >after me. > > If they *are* after you, you're not paranoid. > But maybe they are aft

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Brad Rogers
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:36:50 +0300 David Baron wrote: Hello David, >Just because I am paranoid, that does not mean they are not, in fact, >after me. If they *are* after you, you're not paranoid. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever imme

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-22 Thread Riley Baird
> > >>> How do I find out which application is accessing what device? > > >> > > >> It's all software. There is no hardware involved at all: they use a > > >> virtual device. It works even when the computer is off. Doesn't matter > > >> if your machine has a microphone or even any audio input c

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-21 Thread David Baron
On Monday 22 June 2015 12:49:19 Stuart Longland wrote: > On 22/06/15 12:38, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 06/21/2015 06:42 PM, John Hasler wrote: > >> Tim Beelen writes: > >>> How do I find out which application is accessing what device? > >> > >> It's all software. There is no hardware involved at all

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-21 Thread Stuart Longland
On 22/06/15 12:38, Ric Moore wrote: > On 06/21/2015 06:42 PM, John Hasler wrote: >> Tim Beelen writes: >>> How do I find out which application is accessing what device? >> >> It's all software. There is no hardware involved at all: they use a >> virtual device. It works even when the computer is

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-21 Thread Ric Moore
On 06/21/2015 06:42 PM, John Hasler wrote: Tim Beelen writes: How do I find out which application is accessing what device? It's all software. There is no hardware involved at all: they use a virtual device. It works even when the computer is off. Doesn't matter if your machine has a microp

Re: Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-21 Thread John Hasler
Tim Beelen writes: > How do I find out which application is accessing what device? It's all software. There is no hardware involved at all: they use a virtual device. It works even when the computer is off. Doesn't matter if your machine has a microphone or even any audio input capability. --

Google Chrome and Open-Source derivative listening to me without my approval

2015-06-21 Thread Tim Beelen
Is it true? Is Google actively listening in on my conversations? Apparently this: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=786909 *Yesterday, news broke that Google has been stealth downloading audio listeners onto every computer that runs Chrome, and transmits audio data back to Goo

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-11 Thread notoneofmyseeds
On 06/10/2015 09:10 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: If you're building a new system, you might go with Intel at first, and later buy a discrete graphics card (AMD) if you need higher performance. I've had really good feedback from both AMD and Intel when filing bugs and having problems. I'm sure the n

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-11 Thread Bret Busby
27;t equal to either by a long shot. >> >> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdnv-phoronix-11&num=1 >> >> <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdnv-phoronix-11&num=2> >> >> >> >> So, in summary,

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-11 Thread Petter Adsen
> >> <http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amdnv-phoronix-11&num=2> > >> > >> So, in summary, I've always used nvidia as it's the same money as > >> AMD and Intel and is generally always faster with the nvidia > >>

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 09:45:07PM +0100, Terence wrote: > Hi, Andrew, > > If what you say is correct about Nvidia only allowing signed code in future > (and I have no doubt that you are correct) I, for one will break the habit > of a long time, and c

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread Terence
proposes AMD or NVIDIA for the > > workstations. > > > > I do not need a very fancy graphic card, I need something that > > works. I will proabably buy AMD as it seems to work well with the > > open source drivers. > > Intel is built-in to the modern CPUs, that's part

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread Andrew McGlashan
something that > works. I will proabably buy AMD as it seems to work well with the > open source drivers. Intel is built-in to the modern CPUs, that's part of the beauty of it; including plenty of good bang for your buck and lower energy options than the "super" graphic card

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread Dan
idia as it's the same money as AMD >> and Intel and is generally always faster with the nvidia drivers. So, >> while many will piffle and claim to not be a gamer, what about video >> editing? 3D Immersive education? Think you might want to do that at some >> point i

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread Sven Arvidsson
will piffle and claim to not be a gamer, what about video > editing? 3D Immersive education? Think you might want to do that at some > point in your life?? I'm all about Open Source. But, I'm not about > deliberate trashing of expensive hardware "for the cause". Nor do I >

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread Ric Moore
On 06/10/2015 03:01 AM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 18:01 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? It ALL depends on your needs. If you want gaming, or multi-card/monitor support, with all the goodies turned on, you'll

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 23:28 +0200, Dan wrote: > Hi, > I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to > use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you > recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. > > I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and t

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-10 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Tue, 2015-06-09 at 18:01 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: > > Which open source driver is better Nouveau or AMD open source driver? > It ALL depends on your needs. If you want gaming, or multi-card/monitor > support, with all the goodies turned on, you'll want the real drivers. > I

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-09 Thread Petter Adsen
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:38:46 +0900 Man_Without_Clue wrote: > > > On Wednesday, 10 June, 2015 07:01 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > > On 06/09/2015 05:28 PM, Dan wrote: > >> Hi, > >> I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like > >> to u

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-09 Thread tomas
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, Jun 09, 2015 at 11:28:59PM +0200, Dan wrote: > Hi, > I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to > use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you > recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AM

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-09 Thread Man_Without_Clue
On Wednesday, 10 June, 2015 07:01 AM, Ric Moore wrote: On 06/09/2015 05:28 PM, Dan wrote: Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia

Re: Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-09 Thread Ric Moore
On 06/09/2015 05:28 PM, Dan wrote: Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and the Nouveau drivers seems to work very well

Nvidia vs AMD open source drivers

2015-06-09 Thread Dan
Hi, I would live to buy a workstation and install Jessie. I would like to use the open source drivers for the graphic card. What would you recommend? My choices are Nvidia or AMD. I checked the Nvidia/Debian wiki and the Nouveau drivers seems to work very well: "As of jessie, the need fo

Re: install ati open source driver , but have no effect!

2015-05-25 Thread mudongliang
On 05/25/2015 09:52 PM, Sven Arvidsson wrote: On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 21:22 +0800, mudongliang wrote: 5. I use "glxgears -info" to test the performance. However ,the performance is so bad ! It seems no ati driver at all! 375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.986 FPS 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.857 FPS

Re: install ati open source driver , but have no effect!

2015-05-25 Thread Sven Arvidsson
On Mon, 2015-05-25 at 21:22 +0800, mudongliang wrote: > 5. I use "glxgears -info" to test the performance. However ,the > performance is so bad ! It seems no ati driver at all! > 375 frames in 5.0 seconds = 74.986 FPS > 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.857 FPS > 300 frames in 5.0 seconds = 59.855 FP

install ati open source driver , but have no effect!

2015-05-25 Thread mudongliang
:68e4] (rev ff) 2. the installation comes from https://wiki.debian.org/AtiHowTo Installation The following procedure will install the open source display driver packages, DRI modules (for 3D acceleration) and driver firmware/microcode: 1)Add "contrib" and "non-free" co

Re: developing on open source, apt

2015-01-06 Thread Joel Roth
On Tue, Jan 06, 2015 at 08:07:01PM +0100, bluehut wrote: > Hello list, > > Bear with me, this is a Debian question indeed. > I would like to help with LXQt development and have a question about how > to best go about this on Debian. > > As a general question: > Should I clone the git repo, build

developing on open source, apt

2015-01-06 Thread bluehut
Hello list, Bear with me, this is a Debian question indeed. I would like to help with LXQt development and have a question about how to best go about this on Debian. As a general question: Should I clone the git repo, build the programs and run them, or is there a way to actively develop without

Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-23 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 22:05:08, Joel Roth wrote: > > > Are you sure these files are from dbus? I'd rather guess they are from > > the 'apt' source package. Anyway: > > Yes, they are. I'm curious at which step they get generated. Me too. Care to explain

Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-23 Thread Eduard Bloch
these files are from dbus? I'd rather guess they are from > > the 'apt' source package. Anyway: > > Yes, they are. I'm curious at which step they get generated. Have a look at the timestamps which might provide a clue. I cannot see any integration tests or similar

Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
ave "dbus" in the command: $ apt-get source dbus All files in .pc directories are generated when the source package is unpacked. Please read the dpkg-source manpage. You are unpacking the most common source format "3.0 (quilt)". > I found the files listed above also need to

Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-21 Thread Joel Roth
On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 08:03:58AM +0200, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Jo, 20 nov 14, 12:29:32, Joel Roth wrote: > > > > However, there are files that apt-get source downloads that > > are not in the repository. Can someone tell me where they come from? > > They appear n

Re: apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-20 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Jo, 20 nov 14, 12:29:32, Joel Roth wrote: > > However, there are files that apt-get source downloads that > are not in the repository. Can someone tell me where they come from? > They appear necessary for the package to build. > > .pc/ > Package

apt-get source download has files not in git repository

2014-11-20 Thread Joel Roth
Hi list, I'm trying to build the dbus package from source. I can do it the usual way: apt-get source cd dbus-1.18.10 debuild -uc -us -b However, I would like to use the git repository. apt-get source helpfully announces: NOTICE: 'dbus' packaging is maintained in the '

Pulseaudio not listing sound source

2014-09-22 Thread Dr. Jennifer Nussbaum
Hi. Im running Pulseaudio on a pretty stock Wheezy installation. Im trying to get a USB audio output device to work, but it's not showing up in my Pulseaudio volume control. The device is an Audioengine AW1, and Id previously used this on my system with no problems. But now when I plug it in,

Re: IPv6 neighbor solicitations to use link-local source address

2014-09-05 Thread mett
:fed5:2fda: icmp_seq=2 ttl=64 > > > > > > time=0.205 ms 64 bytes from fe80::207:95ff:fed5:2fda: > > > > > > icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.201 ms 64 bytes from > > > > > > fe80::207:95ff:fed5:2fda: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.256 ms 64 > > > > &

Re: IPv6 neighbor solicitations to use link-local source address

2014-09-04 Thread Julien boooo
t; > > > > time=0.205 ms 64 bytes from fe80::207:95ff:fed5:2fda: > > > > > icmp_seq=3 ttl=64 time=0.201 ms 64 bytes from > > > > > fe80::207:95ff:fed5:2fda: icmp_seq=4 ttl=64 time=0.256 ms 64 > > > > > bytes from fe80::207:95ff

Re: IPv6 neighbor solicitations to use link-local source address

2014-09-04 Thread mett
icmp_seq=5 ttl=64 > > > > time=0.199 ms > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:55:38 +0200 > > > > Julien b wrote: > &g

Re: IPv6 neighbor solicitations to use link-local source address

2014-09-04 Thread mett
> > > ttl=64 time=0.199 ms > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH! > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:55:38 +0200 > > > Julien b wrote: > > > > > > > Hello everybody > &

Re: IPv6 neighbor solicitations to use link-local source address

2014-09-03 Thread mett
n Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:55:38 +0200 > Julien b wrote: > > > Hello everybody > > > > I'm very new to lists.debian.org so please appologize if I am doing > > something wrong by sending this email. I'm just out of idea with a > > behavior in NDP and m

Re: IPv6 neighbor solicitations to use link-local source address

2014-09-03 Thread mett
or in NDP and must find a solution. I didn't find anything on > the internet. > > RFC4861 section 7.2.2 says that the source address in NDP neighbor > solicitations can be any one of the addresses assigned to the > interface. It also says that using the prompting packet's sourc

IPv6 neighbor solicitations to use link-local source address

2014-09-03 Thread Julien boooo
Hello everybody I'm very new to lists.debian.org so please appologize if I am doing something wrong by sending this email. I'm just out of idea with a behavior in NDP and must find a solution. I didn't find anything on the internet. RFC4861 section 7.2.2 says that the source

Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Simon Hollenbach
> had with the package in stable (i.e. the reason an update would be > useful). So something like: "Integrity/authenticity of linux_3.2.57-3+deb7u2.dsc could not be verified because of missing key, RSA ID 1343CF44, in d-k." ? I would have thought that my statement on $ dpkg-source

Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 13 iun 14, 14:10:12, Simon Hollenbach wrote: > > I just filed a wishlist bug for this: > https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=751480 > I felt like not needing to explain the request in great lengths, if > anyone of you can contribute further information, I would really > appr

Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Simon Hollenbach
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 13/06/2014 12:44, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Vi, 13 iun 14, 12:07:00, Simon Hollenbach wrote: >> I am asking myself why the updated debian-keyring package is not >> available from wheezy-backports repository. Can someone shed some >> light on thi

Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Vi, 13 iun 14, 12:07:00, Simon Hollenbach wrote: > On 12/06/2014 21:39, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Matthias Großmann wrote: > >> after downloading the most recent linux source package for wheezy > >> on my wheezy system, I noticed that dpkg

Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-13 Thread Simon Hollenbach
On 12/06/2014 21:39, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Matthias Großmann wrote: >> after downloading the most recent linux source package for wheezy >> on my wheezy system, I noticed that dpkg-source fails to verify its >> signature: > [...] >> I would

Re: Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-12 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 12 Jun 2014, Matthias Großmann wrote: > after downloading the most recent linux source package for wheezy > on my wheezy system, I noticed that dpkg-source fails to verify its > signature: [...] > I would expect everything required to verify packages in wheezy to be > inc

Signature of wheezy's linux source package

2014-06-12 Thread Matthias Großmann
Hi All, after downloading the most recent linux source package for wheezy on my wheezy system, I noticed that dpkg-source fails to verify its signature: $ dpkg-source -x linux_3.2.57-3+deb7u2.dsc gpgv: Signature made Thu Jun 5 10:38:20 2014 CEST using RSA key ID 1343CF44 gpgv: Can't

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-17 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/18/14, Ric Moore wrote: > On 05/16/2014 10:49 PM, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> You get the world you consent to. > > Brother Zenaan, why do I hear "Unmarked Helicopters" by Soul Coughing > when these kind of issues spring up?? It's on YouTube, you'll love it! :) Thanks Ric, and Curt, and S

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Scott Ferguson writes: > No - you didn't. Please learn to read and stop spreading more rubbish > (or just go back to setting fire to cats and winos). > Good lord Scott, we're getting a bit wild here aren't we... hehe. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-requ...@lists.debian.org with a su

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-17 Thread Curt
On 2014-05-17, Zenaan Harkness wrote: >> >> "censure"? Did we miss something? Ric > > Yes :) > > Some more riveting moments... on ... Come on Down Debian .. have we > got some fun for you tonight. I never know what the hell you're talking about. :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-req

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-16 Thread Raffaele Morelli
http://xkcd.com/386/ /raffaele

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-16 Thread Zenaan Harkness
On 5/17/14, Ric Moore wrote: > On 05/16/2014 08:55 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> Okay, I take it back. >> >> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >>> Scott, you're not adding anything to the conversation, either. >>> >>> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Scott Ferguson >>> wrote: [som

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-16 Thread Joel Rees
Heh. If you missed my sarcasm below, more power to you. On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 3:24 AM, Ric Moore wrote: > On 05/16/2014 08:55 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> >> Okay, I take it back. >> >> On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >>> >>> Scott, you're not adding anything to the conversation,

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-16 Thread Ric Moore
On 05/16/2014 08:55 AM, Joel Rees wrote: Okay, I take it back. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Joel Rees wrote: Scott, you're not adding anything to the conversation, either. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: [something about something called "Fffflash" that may or may

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-16 Thread Joel Rees
Okay, I take it back. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > Scott, you're not adding anything to the conversation, either. > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> [something about something called "Fffflash" that may or may not be relevant >> to something]

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-16 Thread Joel Rees
Scott, you're not adding anything to the conversation, either. On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:27 AM, Scott Ferguson wrote: > [something about something called "Fffflash" that may or may not be relevant > to something] -- Joel Rees Be careful where you see conspiracy. Look first in your own heart.

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
On 2014-05-15 22:02, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 16/05/14 05:53, Eelis wrote: On 2014-05-15 21:49, Scott Ferguson wrote: From the page you started this scare campaign with:- "Mozilla will distribute the sandbox alongside Firefox, and we are working on deterministic builds[*1] that will allow dev

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
>>>> encrypted by the plugin. *If* you choose to install it (and why >>>>>> would you?). >>>>> >>>>> The article talks about "preventing users from saving the content". >>>>> That's content that the closed-so

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 05:53, Eelis wrote: > On 2014-05-15 21:49, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> From the page you started this scare campaign with:- >> "Mozilla will distribute the sandbox alongside Firefox, and we are >> working on deterministic builds[*1] that will allow developers to use a >> sandbox compiled

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 05:51, Chris Angelico wrote: > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 5:36 AM, Scott Ferguson > wrote: >> (sigh, it's 5:30am here, I'm tired) > > Ditto here. I have to say, this debate is somewhat interesting, It shouldn't be a debate. Debating DRM in Iceweasel is like debating gravity - the occup

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
* are only restricted in how you can *playback* media encrypted by the plugin. *If* you choose to install it (and why would you?). The article talks about "preventing users from saving the content". That's content that the closed-source CDM plugin decrypted and passed on to Firefo

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
#x27;s a sandbox. The sandbox restricts the close >>>> plugin. *You* are only restricted in how you can *playback* media >>>> encrypted by the plugin. *If* you choose to install it (and why >>>> would you?). >>> >>> The article talks about

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
On 2014-05-15 21:49, Scott Ferguson wrote: From the page you started this scare campaign with:- "Mozilla will distribute the sandbox alongside Firefox, and we are working on deterministic builds[*1] that will allow developers to use a sandbox compiled on their own machine with the CDM as an alte

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 05:29, Eelis wrote: > On 2014-05-15 20:35, Eelis wrote: >> On 2014-05-15 20:27, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>> Mozilla will be shipping an Open Source sandbox for the plugin. >> >> Ah yes, that's also an interesting point, because one of the blog pos

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
. *If* you choose to install it (and why would you?). The article talks about "preventing users from saving the content". That's content that the closed-source CDM plugin decrypted and passed on to Firefox, isn't it? Yes. (sigh, it's 5:30am here, I'm tired) Perh

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
>> encrypted by the plugin. *If* you choose to install it (and why >> would you?). > > The article talks about "preventing users from saving the content". > That's content that the closed-source CDM plugin decrypted and passed > on to Firefox, isn't it?

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
On 2014-05-15 20:35, Eelis wrote: On 2014-05-15 20:27, Scott Ferguson wrote: Mozilla will be shipping an Open Source sandbox for the plugin. Ah yes, that's also an interesting point, because one of the blog posts says: “Adobe and the content industry can audit our sandbox (as it is

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 04:51, Eelis wrote: > On 2014-05-15 20:48, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 16/05/14 04:35, Eelis wrote: >>> On 2014-05-15 20:27, Scott Ferguson wrote: >>>> Mozilla will be shipping an Open Source sandbox for the plugin. >>> >>> Ah yes, that

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Brad Rogers
On Thu, 15 May 2014 20:12:23 +0200 Eelis wrote: Hello Eelis, >it open source software if during runtime it starts downloading and >running binary blobs from Adobe? :/ It (Firefox/Iceweasel) will already do that, if you let it (viz: flash). I've not read any of the relevant ar

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
On 2014-05-15 20:48, Scott Ferguson wrote: On 16/05/14 04:35, Eelis wrote: On 2014-05-15 20:27, Scott Ferguson wrote: Mozilla will be shipping an Open Source sandbox for the plugin. Ah yes, that's also an interesting point, because one of the blog posts says: “Adobe and the co

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Tom H
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 1:51 PM, Eelis wrote: > > I read[1] that Firefox will start shipping parts for which they won't > provide the source code (something to do with DRM..). Can I trust that > Iceweasel will remain open source, or will I have to switch to Lynx if I > want t

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 04:35, Eelis wrote: > On 2014-05-15 20:27, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> Mozilla will be shipping an Open Source sandbox for the plugin. > > Ah yes, that's also an interesting point, because one of the blog posts > says: > > “Adobe and the content industry

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 04:29, Eelis wrote: > Wow, you're a very angry person.. :( Not usually. Oh, and what sort of person do you call someone who claims to have read things that weren't written? Someone with good intentions? > > On 2014-05-15 20:27, Scott Ferguson wrote: >> On 16/05/14 03:51, Eelis wrote

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
On 2014-05-15 20:27, Scott Ferguson wrote: Mozilla will be shipping an Open Source sandbox for the plugin. Ah yes, that's also an interesting point, because one of the blog posts says: “Adobe and the content industry can audit our sandbox (as it is open source) to assure themselves

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 04:12, Eelis wrote: > Ah, thanks for the clarification! But now I'm confused; in what sense is > it open source software if during runtime it starts downloading and > running binary blobs from Adobe? :/ The plugin is separate, it doesn't change the code for Firefo

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
On 16/05/14 04:00, Gary Dale wrote: > On 15/05/14 01:51 PM, Eelis wrote: >> I read[1] that Firefox will start shipping parts for which they won't >> provide the source code (something to do with DRM..). Can I trust that >> Iceweasel will remain open source, or will I have

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Scott Ferguson
care campaign - what the article *actually* says is that the closed source bits will *not* be shipped by Mozilla - they are a plugin from, like most plugins, a third-source. Like Fffflash. And just like Fffflash you don't have to install it unless you have a compelling reason (whatever you define a

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
Ah, thanks for the clarification! But now I'm confused; in what sense is it open source software if during runtime it starts downloading and running binary blobs from Adobe? :/ On 2014-05-15 20:09, Sven Joachim wrote: On 2014-05-15 19:51 +0200, Eelis wrote: I read[1] that Firefox will

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2014-05-15 19:51 +0200, Eelis wrote: > I read[1] that Firefox will start shipping parts for which they won't > provide the source code (something to do with DRM..). You read incorrectly, here is the relevant part from [1]: , | As plugins today, the CDM itself will be distribut

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Francesco Ariis
On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 07:51:09PM +0200, Eelis wrote: > I read[1] that Firefox will start shipping parts for which they > won't provide the source code (something to do with DRM..). Can I > trust that Iceweasel will remain open source, or will I have to > switch to Lynx if I wa

Re: Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Gary Dale
On 15/05/14 01:51 PM, Eelis wrote: I read[1] that Firefox will start shipping parts for which they won't provide the source code (something to do with DRM..). Can I trust that Iceweasel will remain open source, or will I have to switch to Lynx if I want to use an open source br

Will Iceweasel stay open source?

2014-05-15 Thread Eelis
I read[1] that Firefox will start shipping parts for which they won't provide the source code (something to do with DRM..). Can I trust that Iceweasel will remain open source, or will I have to switch to Lynx if I want to use an open source browser? :) Cheers, Eelis [1]

Re: [solved] Re: jigdo various questions ( --noask does not work + how to use "/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" as source )

2014-04-30 Thread Tom Furie
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 12:16:32PM +0200, berenger.mo...@neutralite.org wrote: > Thanks for your replies. No problem, glad I could help. > I guess I'll have to submit some reports, for example that the man > does not says explicitly the order of the arguments. I'll do some > other tries before t

[solved] Re: jigdo various questions ( --noask does not work + how to use "/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" as source )

2014-04-30 Thread berenger . morel
Le 30.04.2014 00:01, Tom Furie a écrit : On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 05:00:03PM +0100, Tom Furie wrote: The URI needs to be the last element of the command. You will find most of the required files if you mount the iso and pass the mount point with --scan, passing the iso file finds 0 files. Usi

Re: jigdo various questions ( --noask does not work + how to use "/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" as source )

2014-04-29 Thread Tom Furie
On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 05:00:03PM +0100, Tom Furie wrote: > The URI needs to be the last element of the command. You will find most > of the required files if you mount the iso and pass the mount point with > --scan, passing the iso file finds 0 files. Using --scan causes jigdo to > not ask for f

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