Re: Maybe off topic: Where is bash gesture ${X=Y} described ?

ood enough for POSIX, then it must be good enough for bash, right?[1] For a long time I was believing that ${X=Y} is just an obsolete and less strict form of ${X:=Y} due to the way it is documented in BASH. Once I needed to distinguish empty an unset values. First hits in search engine result

Re: Maybe off topic: Where is bash gesture ${X=Y} described ?

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 09:50:36AM -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: [...] > Everyone skips over the sentence that begins with "Omitting the colon". Thanks for this one. I know /I/ did for long enough. Greg, this place would be a lot less helpful... > Every time we try to tell Chet, "Hey, man,

Re: Maybe off topic: Where is bash gesture ${X=Y} described ?

Hi, i wrote: > > maybe i am just too dumb to read the manual, or maybe i made an > > archeological discovery in the shells we use. Greg Wooledge wrote: > Everyone skips over the sentence that begins with "Omitting the colon". Oh well. Too dumb and not alone. I did read the sentence immediately

Re: Maybe off topic: Where is bash gesture ${X=Y} described ?

On Wed, Jul 24, 2024 at 15:33:11 +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > GRUB's test scripts often show this gesture > > : "${TMPDIR=/tmp}" > > Well known and described is > ${X:=Y} > which assigns a default value to variable X if it is empty (man bash > says: "

Maybe off topic: Where is bash gesture ${X=Y} described ?

: "${TMPDIR=/tmp}" Well known and described is ${X:=Y} which assigns a default value to variable X if it is empty (man bash says: "If [...] unset or null"). Also known and described is ":", the no-op command. So : "${TMPDIR:=/tmp}" would not be a riddle. But

Re: testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

David Wright wrote: > On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 19:29:31 (-0400), songbird wrote: > >> "df -x tmpfs" does the magic and gives me the better view that is >> more useful. > > FWIW I define dfree as: > > df --output=source,ipcent,fstype,size,used,avail,pcent,targ

Re: disable GUI/X?

On 19/06/24 at 04:24, David Chmelik wrote: How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I decide as startx/startxfce/etc. When I occasionally need to boot in the CLI instead of the GUI I boot the system in "recovery mode", it's an option of the GRUB's

Re: disable GUI/X?

David Chmelik wrote: > On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:47:58 +0200, tomas wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > >> > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > >

Re: disable GUI/X?

ow I would suppose they would have something simple to correlate to appending a 3. Could it possibly have switched available levels to 0 1 2 3 5 6 by now? Another thought: depending on what is desired from running the special boot, many systems' graphics for X will be unable to start if KMS is disable

Re: disable GUI/X?

El Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:47:58 +0200 va escriure el següent: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > > > > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > > &

Re: disable GUI/X?

Just remove any login-manager like gdm, kdm, sddm and lightdm. For testing purposes, you can eaily remove the binaries below /usr/bin/ to somewhere, for example to /root/. Then reboot and it will not boot into X. Startx will work. And if this is not what you want, just move the binaries back

Re: disable GUI/X?

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:47:58 +0200, tomas wrote: > On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >> > >> >> How can I disable G

Re: disable GUI/X?

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:54:00 -0400, Greg Wooledge wrote: > On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >> > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >> > dec

Re: disable GUI/X?

On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 01:06:04 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 04:39 (UTC): >> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >>> David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >>>> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot?

Re: disable GUI/X?

On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 04:39:50AM -, David Chmelik wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > > > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > >

Re: disable GUI/X?

David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 04:39 (UTC): > On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: >> David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): >>> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >>> decide as startx/startxf

Re: disable GUI/X?

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > >> How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I >> decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > > # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state

Re: testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

On Tue 18 Jun 2024 at 19:29:31 (-0400), songbird wrote: > "df -x tmpfs" does the magic and gives me the better view that is > more useful. FWIW I define dfree as: df --output=source,ipcent,fstype,size,used,avail,pcent,target -B 1000000 -x tmpfs -x devtmpfs -x fuse.po

Re: disable GUI/X?

On Tue, Jun 18, 2024 at 22:39:15 -0400, Felix Miata wrote: > David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > > > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > > decide as startx/startxfce/etc. > > # systemctl get-default # reports bootup

Re: disable GUI/X?

David Chmelik composed on 2024-06-19 02:24 (UTC): > How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I > decide as startx/startxfce/etc. # systemctl get-default # reports bootup state # systemctl set-default graphical.target sets GUI as default state # systemctl set-d

disable GUI/X?

How can I disable GUI/X for next boot? I just want to run it when I decide as startx/startxfce/etc.

testing, various tmpfs /run directories, df -x tmpfs

/systemd-tmpfiles-setup.service tmpfs 781M 64K 781M 1% /run/user/1000 tmpfs 1.0M 0 1.0M 0% /run/credentials/getty@tty1.service = "df -x tmpfs" does the magic and gives me the better view that is more useful. songbird

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 1/29/24, David Wright wrote: > On Sat 27 Jan 2024 at 14:50:25 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: >> On 1/19/24, David Wright wrote: >> > On Fri 19 Jan 2024 at 22:19:21 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: >> >> Package dependencies to me are just DAGs, >> > Are they? No circular dependencies? >>

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On Sat 27 Jan 2024 at 14:50:25 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 1/19/24, David Wright wrote: > > On Fri 19 Jan 2024 at 22:19:21 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > >> Package dependencies to me are just DAGs, > > Are they? No circular dependencies? > > The way I see them, "circular

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 1/19/24, David Wright wrote: > On Fri 19 Jan 2024 at 22:19:21 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: >> Package dependencies to me are just DAGs, > Are they? No circular dependencies? The way I see them, "circular dependencies" are "cultural". "organizational" issues not essentially technical

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On Fri 19 Jan 2024 at 22:19:21 (+), Albretch Mueller wrote: > Package dependencies to me are just DAGs, Are they? No circular dependencies? > [ … ] I haven’t found a book yet, explaining it all. > At times I have found great explanations about single aspects. What sales figures would you

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 1/19/24, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 03:22:52PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: >> On 1/19/24, Max Nikulin wrote: >> > Precise steps >> > depend on degree of your paranoia. >> ... and mine is of the totally irrevocable, even joyful kind; so, >> where are the steps? >>

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 1/19/24, Max Nikulin wrote: When adding a third-party repository, evaluate that GPG key you are going to add really belongs to repository maintainers. The sentence above is important to get the next phrase right. On 19/01/2024 22:22, Albretch Mueller wrote: On 1/19/24, Max Nikulin wrote:

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 03:22:52PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 1/19/24, Max Nikulin wrote: > > Precise steps > > depend on degree of your paranoia. > > ... and mine is of the totally irrevocable, even joyful kind; so, > where are the steps? > > I have always believe that Debian’s

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 1/19/24, Max Nikulin wrote: > Precise steps > depend on degree of your paranoia. ... and mine is of the totally irrevocable, even joyful kind; so, where are the steps? I have always believe that Debian’s basic assumptions about using the Internet as a relatively secure, “private” venue are

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 18/01/2024 12:45, Albretch Mueller wrote: On 1/14/24, Max Nikulin wrote: Generally just pay attention that GPG keys for repositories are obtained through trusted channels. How do you functionally (that is, give me the step-by-step command line statements, ... in order to) do that?

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 1/14/24, Max Nikulin wrote: > On 14/01/2024 04:43, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> >> And use of HTTP in other fetches is dangerous, and HTTPS should be >> used. See >> . > >

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 14/01/2024 04:43, Jeffrey Walton wrote: And use of HTTP in other fetches is dangerous, and HTTPS should be used. See . https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-3462 states that this particular

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 9:06 AM Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > On 13 Jan 2024 13:44 +, from lbrt...@gmail.com (Albretch Mueller): > > E: Failed to fetch > > https://myattwg.att.com/olam/jsp/login/uverse/VS/UverseAccount.html > > File has unexpected size (7009 != 20884).

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 06:19:06PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > My access to the Internet seems to be fine. I tested various urls: > > url="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/facebook-energy-heating-homes; That doesn't prove anything. Just *look* at the URL that you got from the error: > >>

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 06:19:06PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > My access to the Internet seems to be fine. I tested various urls: In that case, I'm out. Cheers -- t signature.asc Description: PGP signature

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

My access to the Internet seems to be fine. I tested various urls: url="https://www.wired.co.uk/article/facebook-energy-heating-homes; ### curlvers=$(curl --version | head -n 1 | awk '{print $2}') bn=$(basename "${url}") dt=$(date --utc +%Y%m%d%H%M%S.%N) ofl="${bn}_${dt}.html"

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 04:36:14PM +, Albretch Mueller wrote: > On 1/13/24, Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > > On 13 Jan 2024 13:44 +, from lbrt...@gmail.com (Albretch Mueller): > >> E: Failed to fetch > >>

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 1/13/24, Michael Kjörling <2695bd53d...@ewoof.net> wrote: > On 13 Jan 2024 13:44 +, from lbrt...@gmail.com (Albretch Mueller): >> E: Failed to fetch >> https://myattwg.att.com/olam/jsp/login/uverse/VS/UverseAccount.html >> File has unexpected size (7009 != 20884). Mirror sync in progress?

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

Hello, On Sat, Jan 13, 2024 at 02:06:22PM +, Michael Kjörling wrote: > On 13 Jan 2024 13:44 +, from lbrt...@gmail.com (Albretch Mueller): > > E: Failed to fetch > > https://myattwg.att.com/olam/jsp/login/uverse/VS/UverseAccount.html > > File has unexpected size (7009 != 20884). Mirror

Re: File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

On 13 Jan 2024 13:44 +, from lbrt...@gmail.com (Albretch Mueller): > E: Failed to fetch > https://myattwg.att.com/olam/jsp/login/uverse/VS/UverseAccount.html > File has unexpected size (7009 != 20884). Mirror sync in progress? > [IP: 184.31.10.246 443] >Hashes of expected file: > -

File has unexpected size (x != y). Mirror sync in progress? [IP: ...] ...

I read off stackoverflow that I should just wait for a couple of hours. I have waited more than 12. $ which ffmpeg $ $ sudo apt-get install ffmpeg Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

C'est bien le fait de ne pas avoir usrmerge qui est le fautif parce que les scripts d'installation ne contiennent plus le PATH canonique ! Je ne dirais pas ce que je pense. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

Michel Verdier a écrit : > Le 8 janvier 2024 BERTRAND Joël a écrit : > >> J'ai déjà trouvé par le passé mount.nfs qui n'est plus dans /sbin mais >> dans /usr/sbin (contrairement à ce qu'indique la page man). > [...] >> Que les devs de Debian forcent l'utilisation d'usrmerge sur Debian,

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

Le 8 janvier 2024 BERTRAND Joël a écrit : > J'ai déjà trouvé par le passé mount.nfs qui n'est plus dans /sbin mais > dans /usr/sbin (contrairement à ce qu'indique la page man). [...] > Que les devs de Debian forcent l'utilisation d'usrmerge sur Debian, > pourquoi pas. Mais pourquoi

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

Bon. J'ai un début de piste et ça commence à être gavant. J'ai déjà trouvé par le passé mount.nfs qui n'est plus dans /sbin mais dans /usr/sbin (contrairement à ce qu'indique la page man). Là, on se retrouve avec des PATH dans des scripts de démarrage qui ne

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

ajh-valmer a écrit : > On Sunday 07 January 2024 19:47:19 BERTRAND Joël wrote: >> ... apt dist-upgrade (qui s'est achevé sans erreur). >> Aujourd'hui, je rallume la machine en question et je n'ai plus de >> session graphique ... : > > Sans doute, suite à l'upgrade, le nouveau noyau de Devuan > ne

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

Michel Verdier a écrit : > Le 7 janvier 2024 BERTRAND Joël a écrit : > >> Hier, j'ai du configurer ce qu'il fallait pour pouvoir accéder à des >> bluerays. Très bien, ça fonctionnait. Mais pour cela, j'ai du passer un >> apt dist-upgrade (qui s'est achevé sans erreur). > > As-tu fais update

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

On 1/7/24 19:47, BERTRAND Joël wrote: Bonjour à tous et bonne année. Il m'arrive un truc étonnant sur une machine qui me sert de serveur multimedia. Cette machine est diskless et fonctionnait parfaitement jusqu'à hier (pas noté la version du noyau). Ce n'est pas une Debian,

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

Le 7 janvier 2024 BERTRAND Joël a écrit : > Hier, j'ai du configurer ce qu'il fallait pour pouvoir accéder à des > bluerays. Très bien, ça fonctionnait. Mais pour cela, j'ai du passer un > apt dist-upgrade (qui s'est achevé sans erreur). As-tu fais update et upgrade --without-new-pkgs

Re: Plus de framebuffer/X

On Sunday 07 January 2024 19:47:19 BERTRAND Joël wrote: > ... apt dist-upgrade (qui s'est achevé sans erreur). > Aujourd'hui, je rallume la machine en question et je n'ai plus de > session graphique ... : Sans doute, suite à l'upgrade, le nouveau noyau de Devuan ne reconnaît plus le module de la

Plus de framebuffer/X

Bonjour à tous et bonne année. Il m'arrive un truc étonnant sur une machine qui me sert de serveur multimedia. Cette machine est diskless et fonctionnait parfaitement jusqu'à hier (pas noté la version du noyau). Ce n'est pas une Debian, c'est une Devuan, mais les paquets et la

Re: deb12 for amd64 can't start X

On 12/5/23 09:10, Felix Miata wrote: This commonly results from some package(s) missing, or that prevents use of available software, such as malconfiguration or software left behind by having had an NVidia card installed previously, not because your GPU or modesetting are not supported.

Re: deb12 for amd64 can't start X

it doesn't look right even in text mode, font used is somewhat different it's really not ok with 12.2 for amd64 while it's ok with 12.0 for i386 X.Org X Server 1.21.1.7 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Current Operating System: Linux bw 6.1.0-9-686-pae #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Debian 6.1.27-1

Re: deb12 for amd64 can't start X

hlyg composed on 2023-12-05 07:32 (UTC+0800): > 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. > [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250] > it's ok with deb12 for i386 > i think "[KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported" below offer clue > X.Org X Ser

deb12 for amd64 can't start X

00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Wrestler [Radeon HD 6250] it's ok with deb12 for i386 i think "[KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported" below offer clue X.Org X Server 1.21.1.7 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Current Operating Sys

Re: User cannot start X (device already taken)

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 8:25 PM Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 11:22:56AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > Running Devuan Chimaera > > In general, most people on this list run Debian. Sadly, any advice we > can give on Devuan is likely to be best endeavours only as many of >

Re: User cannot start X (device already taken)

On Thu, Sep 28, 2023 at 11:22:56AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > Running Devuan Chimaera > In general, most people on this list run Debian. Sadly, any advice we can give on Devuan is likely to be best endeavours only as many of us are not familiar with what Devuan may choose to do. [This is true

Re: User cannot start X (device already taken)

On 2023-09-28, Haines Brown wrote: > > > This is extract from Xorfg.0.log after user fails to start X > > ... > [ 49400.912] (II) UnloadModule: "libinput" > [ 49400.912] (II) seatd_libseat try close /dev/input/event18 (36:36) > [ 49400.912] (EE) [libseat/backend/

User cannot start X (device already taken)

Running Devuan Chimaera Without doing anything unusual, suddenly can no longer start X, while root can do it. This is what is returned to terminal: ... (II) [libseat/backend/seatd.c: 64] Could not connect to socket /run/seat.sock: no such file or directory (II) [libseat/libseat.c: 76

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

Felix Miata wrote on 9/12/23 11:51: You really should eliminate that xorg.conf file, and if the problem continues, don't assume it's the kernel driver at fault. Just report a bug if so inclined. Where would depend on behavior after removing xorg.conf. If it fixes the problem, there is almost

Re: Little issue with kernel since version 6.x

Yes, only. And no I can not. /> Does your EEEPc only has an i686 CPU?/ /> Use lscpu to find out or google the name of the CPU./ /> Maybe you can install amd64 to verify it only occurs in i386./ No, there is no option to switch it off. It is (was) set by the OS (sincerly

Re: Little issue with kernel since version 6.x

Am Mittwoch, 13. September 2023, 11:47:11 CEST schrieb Marco: Hi Marco, yes, it is an old netbook. It has an Atom CPU from Intel, single core (with hypertrheading two) and 2GB RAM. But as it is small and has a long running time of about 8 hours, it is perfectly usable for network analysis,

Re: Little issue with kernel since version 6.x

Am 13.09.2023 11:20 schrieb Hans: > On none of my 64-bit systems this issue appeared, however, none of > them are offering this "BIOS-RAM" the EEEPC does. And yes, it is deactivated > in BIOS. Does your EEEPc only has an i686 CPU? Use lscpu to find out or google the name of the CPU. Maybe you

Little issue with kernel since version 6.x

Hi folks, on my EEEPC with i386 I am running into a little issue since kernels version 6.X. When I am booting, then the kernel starts as soon it is started, I get a blank screen and the boot is hanging forever. I have to reboot then, but the boot is not stable. It can happen, I have

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

D. R. Evans composed on 2023-09-12 11:12 (UTC-0600): > Felix Miata wrote: > From the rest of your post, it sounds like everything is as it should be, > except that I should probably remove the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file. And I could > also re-install the xserver-xorg-video-nouveau without

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

Felix Miata wrote on 9/11/23 19:57: You did it. You made the switch. But see below. (There are multiple components to GPU support in Linux.) (There is no "the" nouveau "driver". Graphics support is in the hands of multiple software components, several of which incorporate the string

Re: X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

DVI-I-1,VGA-1 > bus-ID: 04:00.0 chip-ID: 10de:0de1 class-ID: 0300 >Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 22.1.9 driver: X: > loaded: modesetting dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Above shows your loaded X DISPLAY driver is modesetting, the

X: how to *really* switch from nouveau to modesetting?

Xwayland v: 22.1.9 driver: X: loaded: modesetting dri: nouveau gpu: nouveau display-ID: :0 screens: 1 Screen-1: 0 s-res: 1920x1080 s-dpi: 96 s-size: 508x317mm (20.00x12.48") s-diag: 599mm (23.57") Monitor-1: HDMI-A-1 mapped: HDMI-1 model: VGA TO HDMI built: 2013 res: 1920

Re: Was: setting up network q, now no x

On 8/12/23 19:07, Greg Wooledge wrote: On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 06:37:30PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: I need X running so I can use firefox to go get and build the rest of the software I am building this thing to run. Then why on earth are you installing a full Desktop Environment? If you

Re: Was: setting up network q, now no x

On Sat, Aug 12, 2023 at 06:37:30PM -0400, gene heskett wrote: > I need X running so I can use firefox to go get and build the rest of the > software I am building this thing to run. Then why on earth are you installing a full Desktop Environment? If you need to use Firefox to obtain

Was: setting up network q, now no x

p in many years. Or you could just reboot to ensure it dies. It's good over several reboots. Now the problem is no X. I used apt to install gnome which was nearly 800 packages of gnome, & which failed majorly on mcollective and its pluggins (whatever the heck that is, no man pages for

Re: X-post: Public library wifi oddity, Linux vs Android

On 2023-08-11, Ottavio Caruso wrote: >> "community" libraries offer free wifi, courtesy (?) of *cough* O2. Tech >> support is non-existent. If it works it works, if it doesn't, tough. >> The last few weeks I noticed wifi performance degrading. Today, I couldn't >> even connect the wifi

Re: power glitch has killed X solved

solved my X problems. Paul

Re: power glitch has killed X

On 6/15/23 09:57, Paul Scott wrote: It has been years since I needed to know some basic system stuff.  I have been running Debian sid for over 20 years. There was apparently a power glitch in the last 8 hours.  My desktop is fine.  My laptop which was charging only boots (grub) to the

power glitch has killed X

It has years since I needed to know some basic system stuff.  I have been running Debian sid for over 20 years. There was apparently a power glitch in the last 8 hours.  My desktop is fine.  My laptop which was charging only boots (grub) to the command line. Aptitude works and I have tried

Re: Do I need X session?

On 2023-06-12, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > Typically, when Debian installs a GUI environment (GNOME, XFCE4, etc.), > it also installs lightdm or some other X session manager. This takes up > memory, and isn't something I really need (as far as I know). Instead, > I'm perfectly h

Re: Do I need X session?

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 03:59:40PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > Folks: > > Typically, when Debian installs a GUI environment (GNOME, XFCE4, etc.), > it also installs lightdm or some other X session manager. Nitpick: xdm is the X display manager. The X session is somethin

Re: Do I need X session?

On Mon, Jun 12, 2023 at 03:59:40PM -0400, pa...@quillandmouse.com wrote: > I'm perfectly happy to have Debian give me a console login prompt, and > then I issue startx. That's what I use too. As well as several other people who post regularly on this mailing list.

Do I need X session?

Folks: Typically, when Debian installs a GUI environment (GNOME, XFCE4, etc.), it also installs lightdm or some other X session manager. This takes up memory, and isn't something I really need (as far as I know). Instead, I'm perfectly happy to have Debian give me a console login prompt

Re: how to start login from X Window

On 6/3/23 05:00, Konstantin Nebel wrote: Hi, it depends which display manager u use. check which one is installed. Since you want lightweighted display manager i would try lightdm. But didnt use any of those ever. :) Cheers Thank Nebel! lightdm is what i need.

Re: how to start login from X Window

Am Freitag, 2. Juni 2023, 22:38:51 CEST schrieb hlyg: > i use bullseye for i386 with twm. many years ago i used login from X > Window, that is, graphics interface, not terminal interface. how to > start login in bullseye's X? Hi, it depends which display manager u use. check

how to start login from X Window

i use bullseye for i386 with twm. many years ago i used login from X Window, that is, graphics interface, not terminal interface.   how to start login in bullseye's X?

Re: (aviso) Problemas con el kernel 6.3.x y XFS

El 2023-05-29 a las 19:02 +0200, Camaleón escribió: > Aviso a navegantes que usen XFS y un kernel de la rama experimnetal > (6.3.x), parece que hay problemillas con la corrupción de los > metadatos: > > Those Using The XFS File-System Will Want To Avoid Linux 6.3

(aviso) Problemas con el kernel 6.3.x y XFS

Hola, Aviso a navegantes que usen XFS y un kernel de la rama experimnetal (6.3.x), parece que hay problemillas con la corrupción de los metadatos: Those Using The XFS File-System Will Want To Avoid Linux 6.3 For Now https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linux-6.3-XFS-Metadata-Corrupt Saludos

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

s or some form of console login), as even ssh may break globally. A second account is not much useful in such a case (unless user-level breakage is common). For hosts where one isn't the admin, it is often not really possible to have a second account. And the alternate key solution described at the above

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

On Wed, May 10, 2023 at 03:19:31PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > On 2023-05-10 15:07:17 +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Note: if you play with .ssh/rc, be careful as there is a risk > > that you may not log in any more with ssh in case of mistake > > (I'm wondering whether there is an

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

solutions there: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/458445/74516 But this needs to update the setup on the server first. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

an undocumented way to skip it). For details, see the sshd(8) man page. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

; "disconnected by user": Doesn't this mean that it is the client that > > did the disconnection (for whatever reason)? > > I dunno, but it happens when the server-side logoff is requested from X ... > Can't see the relation : how can a server X logoff send a request to the ssh > comma

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

e cause of the issue (e.g. whether the killed ssh's are specific to ssh or other processes that shouldn't be killed, like screen, are also affected), not to use it with GUI apps. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

On 2023-05-09 19:44:48 +0200, zithro wrote: > On 09 May 2023 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 2023-05-04 21:07:17 +0200, zithro wrote: > > > Here is what happens chronologically : > > > > > > 1. I start various SSH connections to a

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

zithro wrote: > On 09 May 2023 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > BTW, you should also try GNU Screen to see if you have the same issue > > with it (this could help debugging). > > Do you mean trying "ssh u@h screen" ? > Never tried screen with GUI apps, does that work ? Not in a useful way. For

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

On Tue, May 09, 2023 at 08:07:26PM +0200, zithro wrote: > I use Ctrl-D to close ssh sessions, "~." does not work, I get "bash: command > not found". To use the tilde commands in the ssh client, they have to be at the "beginning of a line", which means you have to press Enter first. Or at least

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

requested from X ... Can't see the relation : how can a server X logoff send a request to the ssh command on the client ?!?! However I just tried, I killed an ssh session from the server, didn't get the "disconnect" message in logs. Although I don't know if killing (via SIGTERM) i

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

On 09 May 2023 17:47, Vincent Lefevre wrote: Hi, On 2023-05-04 21:07:17 +0200, zithro wrote: Here is what happens chronologically : 1. I start various SSH connections to a host, some normal, some with X forwarding, like that: "ssh user@host" and "ssh -X -n user@host GUI_APP&

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

ind the reason. -- Vincent Lefèvre - Web: <https://www.vinc17.net/> 100% accessible validated (X)HTML - Blog: <https://www.vinc17.net/blog/> Work: CR INRIA - computer arithmetic / AriC project (LIP, ENS-Lyon)

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

Hi, On 2023-05-04 21:07:17 +0200, zithro wrote: > Here is what happens chronologically : > > 1. I start various SSH connections to a host, some normal, some with X > forwarding, like that: "ssh user@host" and "ssh -X -n user@host GUI_APP" > (like firejail

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

On 06 May 2023 07:07, to...@tuxteam.de wrote: On Sat, May 06, 2023 at 10:24:52AM +0700, Max Nikulin wrote: Thanks both for the pointers, will report back with results

Re: Logging off an X session closes all ssh -X connections started previously from outside X

On 05 May 2023 19:14, Max Nikulin wrote: Does it happen for newly created user with no customization? Never tried ! I recommended to do it just for a case that you added something to init files for the "zithro" user. AFAIK I didn't customize a lot, as I'm rarely logging to X. Bu

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