People,
Please end the thread at this point. Thank you.
As Andy Smith points out, I asked politely for this thread to cease
a while ago because it would degenerate to more heat than light.
I was wrong - it degenerated to futility.
Please remember the FAQ: remember the Code of Conduct and the way
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 2:59 PM Bret Busby wrote:
>
> On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote:
> > On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> >> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> >> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *TH
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 10:52:17PM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote:
> I think the discussion might usefully stop at this point before it
> degenerates to more heat than light (as is the way of most discussions
> eventually - call it an application of mailing list entropy :) )
Three weeks on a
Will Mengarini wrote:
>> With no intention of ever creating a 100% offensive-free
>> language, removing the worst offenders from the scene often
>> is enough.
>
> Words I find offensive include "authority" and "manager", so
> checking `apropos authori manager` I see we have a lot of
> important wo
On 16/3/24 02:27, Van Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!
At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2
On Fri, 2024-03-15 at 11:09 -0700, Will Mengarini wrote:
> Seriously, you humans have only another five billion Earth years until
> your sun engulfs your home planet, and you're spending time on *THIS*?!
At the rate that sea plants and creatures are removing CO2 from the
atmosphere to combine it w
* Mariusz Gronczewski [24-02/23=Fr 10:33 +0100]:
>>> It's entirely US political feel-good activism that
>>> doesn't change anything but wastes people's time. Do
>>> you actually think pressing on brake pedal oppresses
>>> anybody? Because it also has master and slave cylinders.
>>>
>>> All it do
Mike Castle wrote:
> Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any
> type of explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements
> leading to that conclusion?
Relax, everyone does something somewhere. But it would be
a boring world if they were only allowed to talk about that.
--
Alain D D Williams wrote:
> That is the big difference. Not use words *currently* deemed
> offensive in *new* publications (books, newspaper articles,
> ...) - this is not hard to do.
Indeed, and that is what you should focus on. The past is the
past anyway.
> What we are faced with is something
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 09:01:30AM -0700, Mike Castle wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
> > work.
>
> Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of
> explicit "I
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 1:49 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> We seem to be told that this must be done by those who will not be doing the
> work.
Was that explicitly stated anywhere? Or is the lack of any type of
explicit "I'm willing to help drive this" statements leading to that
conclusion?
mr
On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 01:42:25AM +0100, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> Mike Castle wrote:
>
> >> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers.
> >> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in
> >> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different
> >> words will then be co
Mike Castle wrote:
>> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers.
>> Should we scour our systems looking for similar issues in
>> other languages? Then in, say, 20 years time when different
>> words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this
>> all again?
>
> Yes.
Remember, the
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 2:07 AM Alain D D Williams wrote:
> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour our
> systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in, say, 20 years
> time when different words will then be considered offensive, by some, do this
> a
Alain D D Williams wrote:
> However that is not the way that the world works, or prolly
> more accurately how some people think. They see
> a word/phrase that they have decided that they "own" or
> somehow relates to them [...]
I am not black so I have no idea how black people consider
everything
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t's time to kill this thread - nothing useful is being said at this point.
At its best, this list is useful for helping people and for providing
information.
It's also a window on the world of Debian and how Debian contributors, regulars
on the list
(and t
Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 11:22:50
Alain D D Williams napisał(a):
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades
> > > walking back Po
Dnia 2024-02-25, o godz. 07:29:32
napisał(a):
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> > May I interject a different perspective?
> > what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many,
> > that some see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful
it.
All so they can tell themselves that they "made a difference" and "made
a world a better place", without doing anything actually meaningful,
while typing on their device made by wage-slavery in some asian country.
But we're supposed to believe them on their word that there
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 07:44:44PM -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking
> > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal
> > in what our software
Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 19:44:44
Jeffrey Walton napisał(a):
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith
> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> > Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking
> > back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal
> > in what our software
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 10:22:09AM +0100, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> I think I'm out of it. *Plonk*
> --
> t
For keeping that promise would it be better to use "Reply-To-List".
And in other cases is it also better to use "Reply-To-List".
Groeten
Geert Stappers
P.S.
The better e
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 06:30:35PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to
> >> make efforts to help 1 or 2 h
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>> May I interject a different perspective?
>> what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that
>> some
>> see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teach
On 2/25/24, to...@tuxteam.de wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to
>> make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and
>> healing.
>
> To make sure the "majority"
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 06:05:26PM -0500, Karen Lewellen wrote:
> May I interject a different perspective?
> what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that some
> see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teaching those
> people how to free themselves fro
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:14:44AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
[...]
> The "problem" is asking the majority (10s of thousands of people) to
> make efforts to help 1 or 2 heal in their journey's of pain and
> healing.
To make sure the "majority" stays majority for all so ever: white,
male, West
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024, 6:37 PM Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> > I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to
> human
> > interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking
>
>
> I'm not s
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 7:37 PM Andy Smith wrote:
>
> [...]
> Turning back more to protocol design, we have spent decades walking
> back Postel's Law as we find more and more ways that being liberal
> in what our software accepts is untenable in the face of a hostile
> Internet.
++. Postel's Law
On 2/25/24, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100
> schrieb Emanuel Berg :
>
>> I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated
>> with everything negative that is black in language.
>
> I can't understand why people draw that association.
> Black as a color is differe
Am Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:42:39 +0100
schrieb Emanuel Berg :
> I think the reason is black people shouldn't be associated
> with everything negative that is black in language.
I can't understand why people draw that association.
Black as a color is different from the skin and different from illegal
May I interject a different perspective?
what brings greater freedom, asking that words be changed by many, that
some see, no matter how justified from their view as harmful? Or teaching
those people how to free themselves from being controlled by those words?
Yes, your goals may be honorable
because:
- The current Ethernet bonding support in ifupdown requires
ifenslave. If you don't install ifenslave, you can't set up a bond
interface from /etc/network/interfaces except by avoiding the
actual syntax there for that purpose and doing it with direct
commands executed by *
[On list: copied to commun...@debian.org]
Hi people,
As you might have expected: this subject is drifting off-topic and becoming
a little more personal.
In answer to the first question: there's a reference to a wiki page.
It's a wiki page: it can be edited by (almost) anyone. If anyone wants
to
Hi,
On Sun, Feb 25, 2024 at 09:17:15AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> On 2/24/24, Andy Smith wrote:
> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> >> I wrote:
> >> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> >> > clear that the work was already
On 2/23/24, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
>> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>>
>>> I know this is a loaded topic...
> ...
>> There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
>> activism
>
> Statement one above pro
On 2/24/24, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
>> I wrote:
>> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
>> > clear that the work was already done.
>>
>> Assuming we care about the most rapid healing possible for
of
emotional support and healing, that reading a single word or phrase is
likely to lead them to suicide, then that person seriously needs
professional help and it is very unwise to let them loose in our
general community where such words and phrases are readily come
across.
Children bond
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> I sometimes think that something similar to Postel's Law but applied to human
> interactions would be useful. However that is wishful thinking
The basic assumption that people mean well is how con artists and
high pressure
Dnia 2024-02-24, o godz. 14:42:39
Emanuel Berg napisał(a):
> jeremy ardley wrote:
>
> >> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block
> >> market" work just fine?
> >
> > The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45.
> > It has nothing to do with slaves. It means tran
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 04:54:12PM +, Alain D D Williams wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
>
> > > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such
> > > words.
> >
> > The etymology certainly *should* matter, insofar as that is the origin
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 09:03:45AM -0500, The Wanderer wrote:
> > It was a BLM thing, not sure if it matters the etymology of such
> > words.
>
> The etymology certainly *should* matter, insofar as that is the origin
> of the *meaning* of the word(s).
+1
However that is not the way that the wor
On 2024-02-24 at 08:42, Emanuel Berg wrote:
> jeremy ardley wrote:
>
>>> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block market"
>>> work just fine?
>>
>> The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45. It has
>> nothing to do with slaves. It means transactions in the dark,
jeremy ardley wrote:
>> But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block
>> market" work just fine?
>
> The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45.
> It has nothing to do with slaves. It means transactions in
> the dark, not visible, not official.
I think the reason is bl
On 24/2/24 19:25, Emanuel Berg wrote:
But what about the black market? Or does in fact "block
market" work just fine?
The term "black market" is from World War II - i.e. 1939-45. It has
nothing to do with slaves. It means transactions in the dark, not
visible, not official.
Marco Moock wrote:
> Just check what different meanings GIMP has. Maybe some more
> people now feel uncomfortable with using it.
> https://www.dict.cc/?s=gimp
Yes, people have been saying that for quite some time:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20359520]
https://www.theregister.com/2
Hi,
On Sat, Feb 24, 2024 at 01:35:14PM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote:
> I wrote:
> > You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> > clear that the work was already done.
>
> Assuming we care about the most rapid healing possible for those who
> are actually triggered by ce
>> Yeah like asking other people to do changes because they want to be
>> activists on internet but can't bother to put effort to do anything
>> that actually helps anyone.
>
> You seem by now to have ignored multiple messages where it was made
> clear that the work was already done.
Assuming we c
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024 21:10:31 +0100
Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> I just think this mailing
> list probably is not the right place to argue this question.
Hear, hear!
Those who wish to weigh in have done so. I doubt any further
argumentation will change anyone else's mind. Now kindly stop wasting
y
mands it uses (assuming your networking was
down to start with, so that this would work).
> Also, above still(?) contains "bond-slaves en0 en1" so if this is
> a new implementation, is there still some terminology change to be
> expected? Or can I replace bond-slaves with s
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 20:10 +, Andy Smith wrote:
> One more time: a successor to the Ethernet bonding driver already
> exists and has for more than 10 years.
That is the other thing I wanted to ask here, I have configured a
LACP link aggregating interface more or less similar to w
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 18:13 +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> "Do what I say, discussion is not allowed because I don't want to
> make a sensible arguments!"
This certainly is not my position. I have no problem arguing this
question, and I've got an opinion on it. I just think this mailing
l
On Fri, 2024-02-23 at 11:07 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> Debian is mostly a collection of many packages that are packed in the
> repo.Such changes are normally done upstream.
I found e.g. this on upstream work on that topic:
https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/e515b840-c6f1-bc07-9369-c95e35257...@so
done.
One more time: a successor to the Ethernet bonding driver already
exists and has for more than 10 years. In a time before some people
decided to get very worked up about inclusive language, it just
happens to avoid the terminology we're talking about.
Again, all I see are people getting v
Dan Ritter writes:
> Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>>
>> I don't want to bikeshed, though. Slavery ended in the US about 150
>> years ago. I don't know any slaves, and I don't own any slaves, so I
>> don't really have a dog in the fight.
>
>
> Point of fact: slavery is legal in the USA, as a legal puni
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 1:13 PM Gremlin wrote:
>
> On 2/23/24 12:51, Dan Ritter wrote:
> > Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> [ >/dev/null ]
>
> >
> > Let's bring it back around to actual action.
> >
> > The possible positions:
> >
> > 1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
> >
>
hing planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decides
> this terminology)? I know these things are slow to change, just
> wondering.
>
> https://wiki.debian.org/Bonding
This might be a question that is
Am 23.02.2024 um 12:51:59 Uhr schrieb Dan Ritter:
> 1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
>
> 2. The terminology is bad, but I can't work on it myself.
>
> 3. The terminology does not bother me, but I don't care if someone
> else wants to fix it.
>
> 4. The terminolog
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:24:39AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Alain D D Williams :
>
> > It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour
> > our systems looking for similar issues in other languages ?
[...]
Fifty years ago it was "normal" to beat kids
On 2/23/24 12:51, Dan Ritter wrote:
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
[ >/dev/null ]
Let's bring it back around to actual action.
The possible positions:
1. The terminology is bad, and I'm willing to work on fixing it.
2. The terminology is bad, but I can't work on it myself.
3. The terminology does
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>
> I don't want to bikeshed, though. Slavery ended in the US about 150
> years ago. I don't know any slaves, and I don't own any slaves, so I
> don't really have a dog in the fight.
Point of fact: slavery is legal in the USA, as a legal punishment.
Other point of fact: t
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:50:12
fxkl4...@protonmail.com napisał(a):
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Andy Smith wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> >> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> >> political aspects of the
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 14:44:03
Andy Smith napisał(a):
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why",
>
> No surprise that there are a lot of people in this
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 5:08 AM Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 22.02.2024 schrieb Ralph Aichinger :
> [...]
> > Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> > network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decides
> > this terminology
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Andy Smith wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
>> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
>> political aspects of the "why",
>
> No surprise that there are a lot of people in this thread with very
> strong
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 22, 2024 at 11:19:16AM +0100, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> political aspects of the "why",
No surprise that there are a lot of people in this thread with very
strong feelings that they simply must tell us about, even
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> It would *literally* break every single script that checks the status
> of bonding config in system, as it is all just plain text.
Unless a different driver was made instead. Which is what actually
happened.
Thanks
Hi,
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 12:14:10PM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 11:25:25
> Roger Price napisał(a):
> > On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
> > > The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
> > >
> >
> > With the publication of RFC
On 02/23/2024 07:33 AM, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 12:40:19
Arno Lehmann napisał(a):
On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic...
...
There is no good reason *why*. It's ent
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 12:40:19
Arno Lehmann napisał(a):
> On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> >> Hello!
> >>
> >> I know this is a loaded topic...
> ...
> > There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
>
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Arno Lehmann :
> If there's a single person in the world who feels existing
> terminology to hurt them, I consider my usage of such terms.
Everytime there is somebody who doesn't like something.
I mostly care about technology and not the feelings a small amount of
users has.
On 23.02.24 at 10:33, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic...
...
There is no good reason *why*. It's entirely US political feel-good
activism
Statement one above proven.
...
All it does is wastes tens of thousands of p
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 10:54:09
napisał(a):
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > > political aspects of the "why",
Dnia 2024-02-23, o godz. 11:25:25
Roger Price napisał(a):
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
> >
>
> With the publication of RFC 9271 "UPS Management Protocol", the nut
> packages (Network UPS Tools) did a vocabu
On Fri, 23 Feb 2024, Marco Moock wrote:
The only package I am aware of that changed some terms is sendmail.
With the publication of RFC 9271 "UPS Management Protocol", the nut packages
(Network UPS Tools) did a vocabulary cleanup at release 2.8.0 which included
changing Master/Slave to Prima
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb Alain D D Williams :
> It is "fixing" an issue for today's English speakers. Should we scour
> our systems looking for similar issues in other languages ? Then in,
> say, 20 years time when different words will then be considered
> offensive, by some, do this all again ?
In
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 11:00:39AM +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 23.02.2024 schrieb :
[...]
> > Oh, goody. A culture warrior.
>
> I'm sure you have good reasons for changing the terms. Feel free to
> provide some real arguments that have a benefit for the users.
I'm not the one proposing chang
s that are packed in the
repo.
Such changes are normally done upstream.
> Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decides
> this terminology)? I know these things are slow to change, jus
body ? Because it also has master and
> slave
> cylinder.
>
> All it does is wastes tens of thousands of people's time once the have to fix
> every script, tool and doc piece related to it, for absolutely no benefit
> aside from making some twitter activist happy "th
Am 23.02.2024 schrieb :
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> > On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > > Hello!
> > >
> > > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know t
On Fri, Feb 23, 2024 at 10:33:08AM +0100, Mariusz Gronczewski wrote:
> On 22.02.2024 11:19, Ralph Aichinger wrote:
> > Hello!
> >
> > I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
> > political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
> > how far this has bee
ix
every script, tool and doc piece related to it, for absolutely no benefit
aside from making some twitter activist happy "they did something".
It would *literally* break every single script that checks the status
of bonding config in system, as it is all just plain text.
--
Marius
ing you from having a look at their issue tracker to
see if there is already an issue in place about that and possibly
propose changes yourself.
> Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
> network bonding/LACP in Debian (or Linux kernel or whoever decid
Hello!
I know this is a loaded topic. I really don't want to discuss the
political aspects of the "why", but just want to know the facts, i.e.
how far this has been progressed in Debian.
Is there anything planned to get "master/slave" terminology out of
network bonding
On 17/10/2023 02:11, Gary Dale wrote:
On 2023-10-16 18:52, Igor Cicimov wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 8:00 AM Gary Dale wrote:
I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system running
Debian/Trixie. I've got a wired connection and a wifi connection,
b
On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 7:34 AM Darac Marjal
wrote:
> On 16/10/2023 21:59, Gary Dale wrote:
> > I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system running
> > Debian/Trixie. I've got a wired connection and a wifi connection, both
> > of which work indi
On 16/10/2023 21:59, Gary Dale wrote:
I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system running
Debian/Trixie. I've got a wired connection and a wifi connection, both
of which work individually. I'd like them to work together to improve
the throughput but for now I&#
On 2023-10-16 21:20, Igor Cicimov wrote:
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 12:12 PM Gary Dale wrote:
On 2023-10-16 18:52, Igor Cicimov wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 8:00 AM Gary Dale
wrote:
I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system
ru
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023 at 12:12 PM Gary Dale wrote:
> On 2023-10-16 18:52, Igor Cicimov wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 8:00 AM Gary Dale wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system running
>> Debian/Trixie. I've got
On 2023-10-16 18:52, Igor Cicimov wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 8:00 AM Gary Dale wrote:
I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system running
Debian/Trixie. I've got a wired connection and a wifi connection,
both
of which work individually. I'
Hi,
On Tue, Oct 17, 2023, 8:00 AM Gary Dale wrote:
> I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system running
> Debian/Trixie. I've got a wired connection and a wifi connection, both
> of which work individually. I'd like them to work together to improve
>
I'm trying to configure network bonding on an AMD64 system running
Debian/Trixie. I've got a wired connection and a wifi connection, both
of which work individually. I'd like them to work together to improve
the throughput but for now I'm just trying to get the bond to w
Jaikumar Sharma wrote:
> For my tests on Cisco switch at office (without any changes on
> switch) and using bonding in "active-backup" mode, I can ping the
> active interface using bond0 IP after plugging out the network cable
> of the cable of active interface.
> Only
one WiFi, then exporting those to a virtual machine as
two virtual Ethernets. Then they are trying to use the bonding
driver on those virtual Ethernets.
I use bonding on bare metal servers a lot and it "just works". I
don't know what is wrong in OP's case but if they really are tr
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 9:36 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
> This really sounds like you're trying to test out a scenario in
> a situation where it can't possibly work.
>
> Don't do that. Test it in as close a simulation to reality as
> possible.
Thanks Dan for insights, it worked - I humbly appreciate you
at office (without any changes on
switch) and using bonding in "active-backup" mode, I can ping the
active interface using bond0 IP after plugging out the network cable
of the cable of active interface.
Only catch was all interfaces must be on same VLAN - problem was found
that one of t
Dan Ritter wrote:
>> Have to test it with two wired connections connected to Cisco managed
>> switch.
>
> This really sounds like you're trying to test out a scenario in
> a situation where it can't possibly work.
>
But this is exactly what he has to do - connect two wired network interfaces
to
Jaikumar Sharma wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 5:10 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
> > You still want bridging, not bonding.
> Preferred is bonding, if it works :)
> Have to test it with two wired connections connected to Cisco managed switch.
This really sounds like you're
bly on two different networks (same as my wls1
> & enp1s0 are on two different networks); that'd be my guess for why
> failover doesn't work. Both NICs need to be on the same network for
> bonding to work.
Thanks for explanation on it further, in fact, as i stated earlier,
thi
On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 5:10 PM Dan Ritter wrote:
> You still want bridging, not bonding.
Preferred is bonding, if it works :)
> WiFi doesn't have a cable, so it can't tell you when the
> connection goes away, and it can't decide by itself to bring up
> a connection. Yo
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