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Subject: BLARSBL:RE: [Declude.JunkMail] orbz is now dsbl
> > >So [EMAIL PROTECTED] can blacklist hotmail.com by sending an email
> > >to the special address.
> >
> > >So [EMAIL PROTECTED] can blacklist hotmail.com by sending an email
> > >to the special address.
> >
> > There's the problem that dsbl will need to solve.
>
>Worse. I can get mailing lists blocked by signing up as
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] The first message, even the confirmation of my
>signing
> >So [EMAIL PROTECTED] can blacklist hotmail.com by sending an email
> >to the special address.
>
> There's the problem that dsbl will need to solve.
Worse. I can get mailing lists blocked by signing up as
[EMAIL PROTECTED] The first message, even the confirmation of my
signing up, will b
>What changes are required on my end to start using dsbl. I hav e orbz in
>there now
Nobody knows. The people that run DSBL haven't yet announced how it can
actually be used. As soon as they do, we will post how to use it with
Declude JunkMail.
-Scott
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Scott,
What changes are required on my end to start using dsbl. I hav e orbz in
there now
John
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:44 AM
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>Isn't the idea that mail admins will receive spam and then
>test the source for an open relay and have the source send the mail
>to dsbl ?
That's correct.
If you just forward the spam to them, your mailserver will get
listed. They only list the mailserver that connects to theirs, so there
c
>This has some merit but doesn't it now mean that to submit an offending
>server one must relay "spam" through that server. Simply put this moves the
>legal weight on to those submitting the request.
Yes. Now, the potential legal cost is borne by some of the people using
the system, rather tha
:57 AM
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Is the idea that mail admins will forward the mail they consider spam to the
dsbl address? If so, I see a new feature request for SpamReview!! :-)
Todd
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Is the idea that mail admins will forward the mail they consider spam to the
dsbl address? If so, I see a new feature request for SpamReview!! :-)
Todd
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On B
this is a nice system. It just makes a little more work to get
someone added to the spam list.
-Josh
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From: "Todd Holt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 11:20 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] orbz is
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>Then only the SPAMmers that have the dsbl mail address on their list (or
>aren't smart enough to know to remove it) will get blacklisted. I give
more
>credit to the SPAMmers than that, so far. :-)
That'
>Then only the SPAMmers that have the dsbl mail address on their list (or
>aren't smart enough to know to remove it) will get blacklisted. I give more
>credit to the SPAMmers than that, so far. :-)
That's not the idea. It may be the idea that is being portrayed for legal
reasons, though.
The
So [EMAIL PROTECTED] can blacklist hotmail.com by sending
an email to the special address.
At 10:57 AM 3/25/2002, R. Scott Perry wrote:
This
will be pretty much useless!! Anyone could sign up their enemies to
be
blacklisted. Where is the verification?
They can only sign up their enemies if they
r now?
Todd
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>This will be pretty much useless!! Anyone could sign up their enemi
be pretty much
useless!! Anyone could sign up their enemies to be
blacklisted. Where is the verification?
Todd
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Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 9:30 AM
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>This will be pretty much useless!! Anyone could sign up their enemies to be
>blacklisted. Where is the verification?
They can only sign up their enemies if they have access to their enemy's
mailserver.
The key is that any E-mail that is received by the special dsbl address
will automaticall
: [Declude.JunkMail] orbz is now dsbl
Orbz is back as dsbl. Visit http://orbz.org/ or http://dsbl.org/ for more
information.
Greg
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Orbz is back as dsbl. Visit http://orbz.org/ or http://dsbl.org/ for more
information.
Greg
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>From a previous post.
***
But the difference is who pays the cost! In telemarketing and junk mail, the
sender pays the cost. In SPAM, the receiver (or more precisely, the
receiver's mail host) pays the cost. If business' are forced to upgrade
their systems to handle 20% more mail an
At 11:34 PM 3/21/2002, you wrote:
> > In one sense, isn't this what ORBZ was doing? Port Scanning everyone,
> > and sending in unsolicited emails because they want to test other
>people's
> > systems without them asking for permission to do so?
>
>ORBZ was not "Port Scanning" ORBZ was only after
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info
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> >I'm not sure either, however, Spam is like a virus and it takes away
from
> >other legitimate businesses that want to tell you about their
services
> >and/or
> >sales. I have consult
>I'm not sure either, however, Spam is like a virus and it takes away from
>other legitimate businesses that want to tell you about their services
>and/or
>sales. I have consulted with allot of my clients, most of them just hit
>delete
>when they don't know where the e-mail came from. So what's
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Corey Travioli
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 10:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info
> In one sense, isn't this what ORBZ was doing? Port Scanning everyone,
> and sending in unsolicited emails because
>> Another way to look at things would be to check out the court cases
>> where Corporations have sued their employees for misuse of e-mail.
> Do you know where there are any of these cases that I can review online?
No, sorry. I just remember seeing this issue on the news.
> As a business own
> In one sense, isn't this what ORBZ was doing? Port Scanning everyone,
> and sending in unsolicited emails because they want to test other
people's
> systems without them asking for permission to do so?
ORBZ was not "Port Scanning" ORBZ was only after being notified of an
open relay seeing for
>>Ahh... my 2 cents anyway. I just feel no one has the right to
send me
>>crap I did not ask for...
In one sense, isn't this what ORBZ was doing? Port Scanning
everyone,
and sending in unsolicited emails because they want to test other
people's
systems without them asking for permission to do so
On Behalf Of Tom
> Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info
>
>
> > Ahh... my 2 cents anyway. I just feel no one has the right to send
me
> > crap I did not ask for, especially PORN solicitations into my
My favorite guest book entry is below. Unfortunately,
I was trying to eat at the time and almost pulled a
George Bush Pretzel!!
From: Alan Rawlsky
"Thank you for making my job easier. It's getting
so no one wants my porn spam any more. But now with
ORBZ gone, I can use any open relay in the
> Ahh... my 2 cents anyway. I just feel no one has the right to send me
> crap I did not ask for, especially PORN solicitations into my children's
> e-mail box. Perhaps I am wrong legally as it relates to free rights and
> e-mail solicitations, but the PORN solicitation alone is enough to keep
>
>I am posting the following reply here to an active thread in the regular
>IMail Discussion list (Scott I hope you don't mind),
Not a problem.
>because for whatever reason my posts there do not get distributed??
FYI, this one did make it to the IMail Forum.
>Ahh... my 2 cents anyway. I just f
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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:02 PM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info
I told Kellogg's I wouldn't buy their cereal anymore:
http://www.kelloggs.com/contact/index.html
I called Kellogg's too, to complain: 1-800-962-1413
PM
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I sent this email to the CIO of Battle Creek (found him thru a Wired
link):
Mr. Lee,
As you are no doubt aware the news was broken today that actions taken
by your department are responsible for the demise of the ORBZ
I sent this email to the CIO of Battle Creek (found him thru a Wired link):
Mr. Lee,
As you are no doubt aware the news was broken today that actions taken by your
department are responsible for the demise of the ORBZ anti-spam notification system.
This strikes me as a dereliction of
Robertson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 9:45 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
The NJABL tests look promising. Anyone tried them yet?
--Matt Robertson--
MSB Designs, Inc.
http://mysecretbase.com
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I told Kellogg's I wouldn't buy their cereal anymore:
http://www.kelloggs.com/contact/index.html
I called Kellogg's too, to complain: 1-800-962-1413
(8 AM to 8 PM ET Weekdays)
Battle Creek, a town of 54,000 best known as the headquarters of the
Kellogg's cereal company
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From: "Scott Phelps" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 12:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info
>
> Please!!!
>
> Everyone sign that (click the bott
>Everyone come back tomorrow and sign it again! And the next day, and the
>next, ...
I think the town is going to learn VERY quickly that they aren't doing the
right thing. That wired article had links to the E-mail address for the
head system administrator, who is going to get a lot of mail
Everyone come back tomorrow and sign it again! And the next day, and the
next, ...
Todd
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Scott Phelps
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 2:08 PM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More
>Everyone sign that (click the bottom link). I did, and I feel much better.
NO!!!
It's a trick! Clicking on that link will crash their servers; they have
lots of empty jail spaces as people are leaving town, and they need to fill
them!
-Scott
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Nice
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 3:00 PM
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Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ - More info
Here's some more information behind the big mystery.
Here's some more information behind the big mystery.
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,51218,00.html
"The small city of Battle Creek, Michigan, wants to lock up an anti-spam
activist who it believes crashed its mail server.
Never mind that the town government was using a buggy version
on 3/21/02 12:45 PM, Matt Robertson wrote:
> The NJABL tests look promising. Anyone tried them yet?
Matt,
I just started testing them about 90 minutes ago and so far they look very
good.
Greg
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: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
on 3/21/02 9:28 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote:
>> Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since
>> 2:19pm on 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are
>> commented out of the global.cfg file are highly recommended or u
So who's right and who's wrong here?
ORBZ for not changing the test or Lotus for not fixing a bug in their software?
In either case we loose another decent blacklist not because of some junk
mailer fighting for the right to send junk but a software issue in one program.
This would seem be a Lotu
ED]>
Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
> on 3/21/02 9:28 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote:
>
> >> Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm
on
> >> 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services tha
on 3/21/02 9:28 AM, R. Scott Perry wrote:
>> Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm on
>> 3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are commented out of the
>> global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? I would prefer to hear about
>> ones that work
>Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm on
>3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are commented out of the
>global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? I would prefer to hear about
>ones that work well while my boss would prefer to hear about free
Since my logs show that ORBZ hasn't responded to my server since 2:19pm on
3/19, I was wondering what alternate services that are commented out of the
global.cfg file are highly recommended or used? I would prefer to hear about
ones that work well while my boss would prefer to hear about free or
i
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Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
>Verified in a discuss
>FWIW, I received this moments ago.
Yes, that is the message that has been floating around this morning.
-Scott
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 10:41 AM
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Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
>Verified in a discussion on SPAM-L list.
Verified by who?
When ORBS died, th
>Verified in a discussion on SPAM-L list.
Verified by who?
When ORBS died, there were tons of rumors, many so widespread that most
people just assumed they were true, but few actual facts. Since the ORBZ
site is no longer reachable, there isn't an easy source of reliable
information.
I kno
R. Scott Perry
Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2002 5:54 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ gone
It appears that ORBZ has gone the way of ORBS and died. There is a
message
claiming to be from the person who runs it that is floating around the
Internet saying that he is facing
It appears that ORBZ has gone the way of ORBS and died. There is a message
claiming to be from the person who runs it that is floating around the
Internet saying that he is facing criminal charges (because ORBZ would try
relaying with "MAIL FROM: ", which would cause Lotus
Domino systems to c
>Looks like they are up and running again.
Actually, there were two ORBZs. The orbz.gst-group.co.uk vanished, and
still appears to be gone.
The www.orbz.org one is still around.
-Scott
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Looks like they are up and running again.
John Tolmachoff
Network Engineer
211 E. Imperial Hwy., Suite 106
Fullerton, CA 92835
714-578-7999, ext. 104
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www.reliancesoft.com
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>It doesn't matter to me whether we use the JunkMail product or the Hijack
>product. I simply want to stop the external spammers from using our server
>as a relay point and at the same time I want to stop the scans from groups
>like ORBZ.
>
>In our situation we have to keep an open relay because
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Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] ORBZ Black List
>ORBZ apparently ran their tests against our server within the past day or
>two. As a result are server is now listed on their site as black listed.
Can
>you provide some Junk
Larry -
Declude is NOT where you prevent ORBZ from listing YOU.
Declude is, where YOU detect OTHER servers that have been listed.
You have to configure Imail itself for NO RELAY or RELAY ONLY FOR IP
ADDRESSES (whatever that option is called in the Imail config screens).
Only THAT will secure aga
>ORBZ apparently ran their tests against our server within the past day or
>two. As a result are server is now listed on their site as black listed. Can
>you provide some JunkMail configuration examples that would prevent their
>message tests from getting through?? I thought we had this taken car
ORBZ apparently ran their tests against our server within the past day or
two. As a result are server is now listed on their site as black listed. Can
you provide some JunkMail configuration examples that would prevent their
message tests from getting through?? I thought we had this taken care of
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