RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-16 Thread Markus Gufler
That would be an excellent combination. Much as SPAMCOP plus SBL would be a very, very good combination. And SPAMCOP plus SBL plus [insert favorite DYNA/DUL test] would be practically perfect. I dont know if it was already suggested but as I can immagine it should be easy to implement

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-16 Thread Markus Gufler
I understand your position, but then whitelist AOL. How can I do this? I've the same problem now for over 5 months here on our server. Telecom is one of the largest italian ISP I know about. As we and most of our customers are from Italy we receive a lot of legit messages from their mail

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-16 Thread Joshua Levitsky
, CISSP System Engineer Time Inc. Information Technology [5957 F27C 9C71 E9A7 274A 0447 C9B9 75A4 9B41 D4D1] - Original Message - From: Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-16 Thread Matt
: Friday, January 16, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests I understand your position, but then whitelist AOL. How can I do this? I've the same problem now for over 5 months here on our server. Telecom is one of the largest italian ISP I know about. As we

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-16 Thread Andy Schmidt
:+1 201 934-9206 http://www.HM-Software.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian T Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 04:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests I recently came across

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-16 Thread R. Scott Perry
I was thinking about this whole FP thing and was wondering... can you make like... BYPASSip4r PTRmail.aol.com BYPASSip4r IP 64.81.214.12/24 BYPASSfilter PTR whatever.com Something like the above that will make the ip4r tests not apply to a

[Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Brian T
I recently came across the following tests and was wondering if anybody else was using these tests? What your thoughts are of these tests? And what kind of results you have received from these tests? The test are as follows: AHBL-RELAYS AHBL-PROXIES AHBL-SOURCES AHBL-PROVISIONAL AHBL-FORMMAIL

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: Brian T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests I recently came across the following tests and was wondering if anybody else was using these tests

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Matt
mail server. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: Brian T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests I recently came across the following tests and was wondering if anybody else

Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Sanford Whiteman
Who knows, maybe their stance is to force ISP's into active defenses against zombies relaying through them??? Would that be a bad thing? Zombie or human, sending spam using AOL's servers is an AUP violation. Aggregating the mail at their servers obliges them to police their user

Re: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Joshua Levitsky
- Original Message - From: Sanford Whiteman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:08 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests live spammers or forcing/coaching their users through the reclamation of hijacked

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
lists an AOL outbound mail server. Andrew 8) -Original Message- From: Brian T [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 1:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests I recently came across the following tests and was wondering

Re[4]: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Sanford Whiteman
AOL 9.0 SE will have a Malware / Spyware detection and removal system included for free and by default it scans your machine every Friday for nasties. A nice thing about the bundled app is we can update it via TOD updates. (The thing that sometimes happens when you sign off

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Matt
Yes, that would be a bad thing. I expect SpamCop to have higher standards than SPEWS. If a test is 99.99% reliable, it's probably safe to hold on or at least score high. If a test is 99% reliable, it's only safe to give a few points to, unless FP's have a high correlation with other tests, in

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Matt
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests Andrew, This is also particularly hurtful when a zombie sends E-mail through one of these servers. I almost never see SpamCop blocking big ISP mail servers, but I see zombies relaying through ISP mail servers every day

Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Sanford Whiteman
SpamCop is a very important test because it tags over 50% of the typical mail volume, however I'm not looking to support a crusade against AOL by blocking their E-mail. I understand your position, but then whitelist AOL. It's not SpamCop's obligation to decide that IPs that generate

RE: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
: Thursday, January 15, 2004 07:56 PM To: Matt Subject: Re[2]: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests SpamCop is a very important test because it tags over 50% of the typical mail volume, however I'm not looking to support a crusade against AOL by blocking their E-mail. I

Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Matt
Andy Schmidt wrote: Let's keep in mind, that Spamcop is percentage based. So - a few bad apples will not spoil the huge volume of "good" mail that AOL will see. There is a chance that the system is self-correcting. That's not at all the case. SpamCop is currently listing the one of

RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Question about Some Spam Tests

2004-01-15 Thread Andy Schmidt
Title: Message Hm: "In the past 772.9 days, it has been listed 19 times for a total of 3.1 days" Sound's like it works as designed - because of the volume of legit mail, it is only listed for a few hours each time. A total of THREE days out of roughly 800? Again - why not use a weighting