Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Mike Billau
on behalf of Kerri Shotts ke...@photokandy.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:05 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article Awesome work thus far, and a good idea to have, imo. Getting to hello, world is great, but having a jumping-off point for how

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Ray Camden
: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:31 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article I went through this morning and addressed most of the comments that people left (sorry Ray, hope you don't mind!). I think this guide is really shaping up and starting to look great. The only

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Ray Camden
I'm going to turn off shared access - just while I do my review review (in case folks try to load it up). From: Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 10:56 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: RE: First stab at Next Steps article Yes

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Shazron
I don't suppose there is an export to Markdown? In any case should be easy to convert somehow. I would think this would go in cordova-docs On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com wrote: Ok - this feels like a kick ass document thanks to everyone who helped. To folks in

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Mike Billau
Ray, why don't you do a PR to /cordova-docs? That way the initial commit will (should?) have your name on it. We should also update /cordova-docs/index.md and add a link to the guide so that it will appear in the left hand list on docs.cordova.io as a top level guide. I think a good spot would

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Ray Camden
I can do so soon. From: Mike Billau mike.bil...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 2:02 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article Ray, why don't you do a PR to /cordova-docs? That way the initial commit will (should

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Brian LeRoux
+1. Its well beyond time you landed a commit or two into Cordova Ray! On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Mike Billau mike.bil...@gmail.com wrote: Ray, why don't you do a PR to /cordova-docs? That way the initial commit will (should?) have your name on it. We should also update

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Ray Camden
PR submitted. ICLA submitted. From: brian.ler...@gmail.com brian.ler...@gmail.com on behalf of Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 2:13 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article +1. Its well beyond time

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-05 Thread Lisa Seacat DeLuca
Lisa Seacat DeLuca Mobile Engineer | t: +415.787.4589 | ldel...@apache.org | | ldel...@us.ibm.com | lisaseacat.com | | From: Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com To: dev@cordova.apache.org dev@cordova.apache.org Date: 05/05/2014 04:34 PM Subject:RE: First stab at Next Steps article

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-02 Thread Ray Camden
...@photokandy.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:05 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article Awesome work thus far, and a good idea to have, imo. Getting to hello, world is great, but having a jumping-off point for how to proceed after that fact would be very beneficial. I

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-02 Thread Brian LeRoux
. From: kerrisho...@gmail.com kerrisho...@gmail.com on behalf of Kerri Shotts ke...@photokandy.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:05 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article Awesome work thus far, and a good idea to have, imo

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-02 Thread Carlos Santana
. From: kerrisho...@gmail.com kerrisho...@gmail.com on behalf of Kerri Shotts ke...@photokandy.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:05 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article Awesome work thus far, and a good idea to have, imo

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-02 Thread Carlos Santana
. From: kerrisho...@gmail.com kerrisho...@gmail.com on behalf of Kerri Shotts ke...@photokandy.com Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 12:05 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article Awesome work thus far, and a good idea to have, imo. Getting to hello, world

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Ray Camden
I like his article - but don't think jQM is as bad as others do. (Disclaimer - I wrote a book on jQM.) From: tommy-carlos williams to...@devgeeks.org Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2014 4:14 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Ray Camden
Replies with RKC. 1. Please don't mention WebSQL. RKC: Heh, well, it *works*, but yeah, ok, removed to make it more generic. 2. The offline/online event is not a great indicator, it's a hint, but it can be misleading. People need to try a connection (XHR)

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Ray Camden
Personally, version control feels more like something that should in a FAQ than this doc, but this isn't my call, if you feel like it should be added, do it. :) Should we add a section about version control? I see that question asked from time to time:

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Freak Show
On May 1, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com wrote: 1. Please don't mention WebSQL. RKC: Heh, well, it *works*, but yeah, ok, removed to make it more generic. Why? None of my apps work without it. I only care about ios and android and websql is there. The day they remove it I

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Michal Mocny
On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Freak Show freaksho...@me.com wrote: On May 1, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com wrote: 1. Please don't mention WebSQL. RKC: Heh, well, it *works*, but yeah, ok, removed to make it more generic. Why? None of my apps work without it. We

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Freak Show
I'm kind of software is politics - screw the man that way. ;-) And I'm not really interested in working on cordova core but I'll write plugins all day as long as it is easy to do and the apis stay stable and browser limitations are in my way. On May 1, 2014, at 10:20 AM, Michal Mocny

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Brian LeRoux
WebSQL is deprecated by browsers. We're here to support the web not route around it. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Freak Show freaksho...@me.com wrote: On May 1, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com wrote:

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Freak Show
On May 1, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io wrote: WebSQL is deprecated by browsers. We're here to support the web not route around it. No you're not. You're here to bypass browser limitations to provide access to features the web doesn't think you need. SQLite in the browser

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Shazron
Interesting that you are here to tell us what we are all about. We know what we are about, we've been doing it every day for years. What you are talking about is currently the means, not the goal. On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:39 AM, Freak Show freaksho...@me.com wrote: On May 1, 2014, at 10:31

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH)
so that functionality written today does not break. :) -Original Message- From: Freak Show [mailto:freaksho...@me.com] Sent: Thursday, May 1, 2014 10:39 AM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article On May 1, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Brian LeRoux b...@brian.io

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Freak Show
You write software that bypasses web browser security models and punches holes in the sandbox. How does that support the web? That's a good useful thing considering how badly the web standards people have mismanaged browser development over the last ten years. On May 1, 2014, at 10:42 AM,

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Michal Mocny
Hey Freak, which plugins did you publish? On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Freak Show freaksho...@me.com wrote: You write software that bypasses web browser security models and punches holes in the sandbox. How does that support the web? That's a good useful thing considering how badly the

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Freak Show
On May 1, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) panar...@microsoft.com wrote: Btw, here is a WebSQL plugin that also enables WebSQL support on Windows platforms - http://plugins.cordova.io/#/package/com.msopentech.websql, if you really have to WebSQL. Here is the

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Jesse
unsubscribe @purplecabbage risingj.com On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 10:53 AM, Freak Show freaksho...@me.com wrote: On May 1, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Parashuram Narasimhan (MS OPEN TECH) panar...@microsoft.com wrote: Btw, here is a WebSQL plugin that also enables WebSQL support on Windows

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Freak Show
Publish, or write? On May 1, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Michal Mocny mmo...@chromium.org wrote: Hey Freak, which plugins did you publish?

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Brian LeRoux
I get the sense I'm walking into a trap but I feel like its important to keep the story straight here. Cordova facilitates building apps with web technologies. Our original motivation was to give web technology a better than fighting chance to overcome fragmented proprietary treadmills. Apps have

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Terence M. Bandoian
From a relative newcomer's point of view, should some distinction be made between plugins officially maintained by Apache Cordova and those that are not? -Terence On 4/30/2014 4:40 PM, Andrew Grieve wrote: On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote: Ray Camden

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Brian LeRoux
we use namespaces for that. anything under org.apache.cordova is maintained by apache cordova On Thu, May 1, 2014 at 1:15 PM, Terence M. Bandoian tere...@tmbsw.comwrote: From a relative newcomer's point of view, should some distinction be made between plugins officially maintained by Apache

RE: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Wolf, Michael J
Well said. -Original Message- From: brian.ler...@gmail.com [mailto:brian.ler...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Brian LeRoux Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2014 4:04 PM To: dev@cordova.apache.org Subject: Re: First stab at Next Steps article I get the sense I'm walking into a trap but I feel like its

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Marcel Kinard
+1. Once you get Hello World up and running, this should be these signposts on possibilities where to go next. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Bluff_signpost.jpg This has natural potential for scope creep. On May 1, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Ray Camden rayca...@adobe.com wrote:

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-05-01 Thread Kerri Shotts
Awesome work thus far, and a good idea to have, imo. Getting to hello, world is great, but having a jumping-off point for how to proceed after that fact would be very beneficial. I added a few comments to the document, and also contributed some sections on upgrading projects/plugins and testing.

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-04-30 Thread tommy-carlos williams
Ray, This looks great.  Interesting choice to both link Brock’s “you half-assed it” article *and* list jQM first in the list of UI libs... :) On 1 May 2014 at 6:50:53 am, Ray Camden (rayca...@adobe.com) wrote: I had 3 hours here at the airport so I took at stab at writing content for the

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-04-30 Thread Josh Soref
Ray Camden wrote: I had 3 hours here at the airport so I took at stab at writing content for the Next Steps document. You can find (and edit) the document here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uJ5qXqQxK2oh1eZPgMdYuhK2rQTB7QMHXUHbkc omWgk/edit# Personally, I favor ether pads / pirate pads.

Re: First stab at Next Steps article

2014-04-30 Thread Andrew Grieve
On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Josh Soref jso...@blackberry.com wrote: Ray Camden wrote: I had 3 hours here at the airport so I took at stab at writing content for the Next Steps document. You can find (and edit) the document here: