Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-13 Thread Felix Meschberger
Hi, Ok, then, you got me ;-) I tried to setup what I had in mind: * I patched the Felix parent pom (see FELIX-1747) attachement * I created a modified Web Console project with adapted license and notice files * To ease creating the distros I created assembly descriptors

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-13 Thread Richard S. Hall
Sounds pretty good to me. So, should we move forward with it? - richard On 10/13/09 15:05, Felix Meschberger wrote: Hi, Ok, then, you got me ;-) I tried to setup what I had in mind: * I patched the Felix parent pom (see FELIX-1747) attachement * I created a modified Web Console

Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
After reviewing the latest framework and HTTP Service releases, I realize that pretty much all of our projects both include and use Apache developed software (if nothing else, all projects depend on Maven to build). It seems silly to list Apache under both include and use, especially since the

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Guillaume Nodet
Sounds good. I'd like to have on point clarified though. What's the intent for use / include wrt to a binary jar, a source assembly (ready to build), a binary assembly (composed of multiple bundles like the karaf one), a source jar (only the source for the jar with no build system), and a

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 10/12/09 14:06, Guillaume Nodet wrote: Sounds good. I'd like to have on point clarified though. What's the intent for use / include wrt to a binary jar, a source assembly (ready to build), a binary assembly (composed of multiple bundles like the karaf one), a source jar (only the source for

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
FYI, I created a wiki page for the NOTICE file template here: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FELIX/NOTICE+file+template+%28PROPOSED%29 Maybe there is a more appropriate place for it on the wiki, but for now it is just under the developer documentation section. Feel free to

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Felix Meschberger
Hi, Thanks for bringing this up (again). The problem I have had for some time now, is that our NOTICE files are not really consistent with the legal intent of the NOTICE files. Basically, the NOTICE files are part of the legal setup of Apache products. As such they have have a fixed predefined

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Carsten Ziegeler
In general I'm +1, with one exception :) This software was developed at the Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org) and may have dependencies on other Apache software licensed under Apache License 2.0. While the above sentence is true, I personally would read it that

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Guillaume Nodet
One thing that might be worth considering if we go this way is to leverage the maven plugin that has been written for the generation of those legal files. The maven-remote-resources-plugin is used in most Apache projects i've dealt with. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 14:46, Felix Meschberger

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
If we are not allowed to do it, then I'd rather have one file so we don't have to determine whether we need to distinguish between the two cases and have to maintain additional artifacts. For me, this has nothing to do with courtesy, it has to do with easing the maintenance. However, if we

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 10/12/09 14:51, Carsten Ziegeler wrote: In general I'm +1, with one exception :) This software was developed at the Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org) and may have dependencies on other Apache software licensed under Apache License 2.0. While the

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
Oops, let me edit that: If we ARE allowed to do it, then I'd rather have one file so we don't have to determine whether we need to distinguish between the two cases and have to maintain additional artifacts. For me, this has nothing to do with courtesy, it has to do with easing the

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Felix Meschberger fmesc...@gmail.com wrote: ...Thanks for bringing this up (again). The problem I have had for some time now, is that our NOTICE files are not really consistent with the legal intent of the NOTICE files FWIW, there's been some discussion

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Felix Meschberger
Hi, Richard S. Hall schrieb: Oops, let me edit that: If we ARE allowed to do it, then I'd rather have one file so we don't have to determine whether we need to distinguish between the two cases and have to maintain additional artifacts. For me, this has nothing to do with courtesy, it has

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Rob Walker
Seems fine to me - R Richard S. Hall wrote: After reviewing the latest framework and HTTP Service releases, I realize that pretty much all of our projects both include and use Apache developed software (if nothing else, all projects depend on Maven to build). It seems silly to list Apache

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 10/12/09 15:03, Felix Meschberger wrote: Hi, Richard S. Hall schrieb: Oops, let me edit that: If we ARE allowed to do it, then I'd rather have one file so we don't have to determine whether we need to distinguish between the two cases and have to maintain additional artifacts. For me,

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Richard S. Hall he...@ungoverned.org wrote: ...reading the issue Bertrand references it is not clear. From my point of view the overall issue to decide is:  1. Two-file approach, one for legal requirements and one for courtesy.  2. One-file approach for both.

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 10/12/09 15:17, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Richard S. Hallhe...@ungoverned.org wrote: ...reading the issue Bertrand references it is not clear. From my point of view the overall issue to decide is: 1. Two-file approach, one for legal requirements and

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Felix Meschberger
Hi, Richard S. Hall schrieb: On 10/12/09 15:17, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Richard S. Hallhe...@ungoverned.org wrote: ...reading the issue Bertrand references it is not clear. From my point of view the overall issue to decide is: 1. Two-file

Re: Proposal for a new NOTICE file

2009-10-12 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 10/12/09 15:46, Felix Meschberger wrote: Hi, Richard S. Hall schrieb: On 10/12/09 15:17, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:08 PM, Richard S. Hallhe...@ungoverned.org wrote: ...reading the issue Bertrand references it is not clear. From my point of