Re: [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Hi, We're talking AS - JS cross compilation. So changing one file would be changing one AS file. To turn that AS file into a JS file needs a compilation step. The generation of 'deps.js' is part of the compilation step. So, in the scenario we're discussing, the regeneration is of no

Re: [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Alain, In my view all development, including debugging, is done in AS. The JS output, like bytecode, should just work. EdB On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 9:20 AM, Alain Ekambi jazzmatad...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I was thinking about. How would debugging work ? Let's say I set a break point in

Re: [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Wienberg
Hi Alain, for Jangaroo, I answered this question here: http://markmail.org/message/bwjwc7sxfbertu7f For Flex / FalconJx, it seems nobody was extremely fond of the idea to have to keep all the white-space and take care of generating JS code in the exact line of the source AS code. So we have to

Re: [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Wienberg
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: Alain, In my view all development, including debugging, is done in AS. The JS output, like bytecode, should just work. EdB This won't work for us (Jangaroo/Ext AS users). In our development workflow, JS/HTML5 is the

Re: [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
This won't work for us (Jangaroo/Ext AS users). In our development workflow, JS/HTML5 is the one and only target platform. And I think this is the future for Flex. If Flex will not support the full development lifecycle for HTML5 projects, it is of no interest for us and I guess for many

Tools vs Impl - Don't mix the two was [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Frank Wienberg fr...@jangaroo.net: Hi Alain, for Jangaroo, I answered this question here: http://markmail.org/message/bwjwc7sxfbertu7f For Flex / FalconJx, it seems nobody was extremely fond of the idea to have to keep all the white-space and take care of generating JS code in the

Re: Tools vs Impl - Don't mix the two was [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Mike, I was aleady afraid we were boring, or worse, bothering the community. I apologize for my part in it. Like you I'm more of a tool maker, as you know well. I do get distracted when I get the impression that my efforts (non-trivial, let me assure you!) are questioned and belittled. So I get

[FalconJx] unit test question

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Mike, Is there any way that the emitter code can know that it's being run as a test vs. 'for real'? Let me clarify: one of the changes I had to make for the VanillaSDK prototype was to add a self reference in front of all public member calls. As I didn't want to re-write 141 tests, I bypassed

[ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Hi Roland (et al.), No, I don't think you misunderstood, you seem to grok our positions correctly. What I don't see in the 'debug JS' approach is what do you do with the bugs you find in JS? Any changes you make in the JS will get overwritten the next time you compile the AS, correct? Or am I

Re: [ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Roland Zwaga
On 28 January 2013 10:51, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: Hi Roland (et al.), No, I don't think you misunderstood, you seem to grok our positions correctly. What I don't see in the 'debug JS' approach is what do you do with the bugs you find in JS? Any changes you make in the JS

Re: [ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
What I don't see in the 'debug JS' approach is what do you do with the bugs you find in JS? Any changes you make in the JS will get overwritten the next time you compile the AS, correct? Or am I missing something? Oh no, changing the generated JS would be futile, but having clear access to

Re: [ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Roland Zwaga
Certainly, which is why I 'keep' the intermediate JS, which is not optimised or minified at all. I think the JS output I create is very readable and matches the original AS structure reasonably well. Not line for line, to be sure, but close enough to be able to match it back to the AS code.

Re: [ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
So, perhaps the discussion is premature. Well, maybe a little, but I agree that given the use cases you site, it will become important sooner rather than later. I don't have the cycles to think about this now, as there are other, more pressing issues remaining with my proof of concept. But as

Re: [ASJS] AS to HTML5 in action: announcing the ASJS Publisher and the VanillaSDK JS framework.

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Om, I've committed a new build.xml, build.properties and README for the ASJS Publisher. I also added mxmlc.bat to the compiler.jx bin directory. Please update your working copies and try again. Thanks, EdB On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:59 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: Always

[jira] [Commented] (FLEX-33366) The candidate input method can not follow

2013-01-28 Thread zy (JIRA)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33366?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanelfocusedCommentId=13564227#comment-13564227 ] zy commented on FLEX-33366: --- WIN 11,5,502,135 Debugger version? Yes the

Re: Tools vs Impl - Don't mix the two was [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Schmalle
Frank, My comments below only were to echo the understanding of your experience in the AS-JS. When I said Job it is the emitter, the emitter is the Job, meaning the tool(FalconJx) is used to do the Job(emit javascript). When I design frameworks, I make sure there are clear dividing lines

Re: Tools vs Impl - Don't mix the two was [ASJS] Integration with existing JS libraries and components

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Wienberg
On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Erik de Bruin e...@ixsoftware.nl wrote: Mike, I was aleady afraid we were boring, or worse, bothering the community. I apologize for my part in it. Like you I'm more of a tool maker, as you know well. I do get distracted when I get the impression that my

[FalconJx] AMD emitter

2013-01-28 Thread Michael Schmalle
Hi, Frank, I would just like to thank you for putting in the extra effort to get that Wiki page completed. Having that information will allow me to as quickly as I can get that emitter working decently. I plan on starting on it this week sometime. I will also note, I am not very versed

Re: [FalconJx] AMD emitter

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Wienberg
Great! Thanks you said finished, as there are still some TODO sections on the Wiki page. I hope to get rid of them tomorrow, but my days are full of meetings *sigh*. But as said before, the main concepts are now settled (esp. compilation units), so don't wait for me! Do you need more recipe-like

RE: [Falcon][Discuss] Modularity, extensibility and configurability of the Falcon compiler framework

2013-01-28 Thread Michael A. Labriola
In the spirit of understanding, with a prototype we are going to develop it in a non intrusive way to the existing compilers. There is no plan to go hacking into the existing code if we don't have to at this point, plus that would be completely stupid IMHO. I think the proof of concept will

Re: Flexmojos 6.x Updated ...

2013-01-28 Thread Nick Collins
First I want to say forgive me if this is readily apparent, as I haven't used FlexMojos for AIR as of yet, but if I'm using it with Jenkins, is it possible to have it create a captive runtime build for all targets (including Mac and PC) on the same box? Right now I'm having to do my build for the

Re: [off-topic] FB 4.7 license

2013-01-28 Thread Nick Collins
Hey guys, go to http://www.jetbrains.com/idea for support on this issue :-) On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:08 AM, Thomas Wawra twa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, after contacting Scastle it really works fine. I got my FB 4.5 licence upgraded. best regards thomas 2013/1/18 Igor Costa

Re: How to diffrence between TLF 2.0 and TLF 3.0

2013-01-28 Thread Jeremy Lu
Mind elaborating on what is open page reader ? Thanks. On Monday, January 28, 2013, Carol Frampton wrote: frameworks/projects/textLayout/src/flashx/textLayout/TextLayoutVersion.as. Apache Flex 4.6 was TLF 2.0 build 232. Carol On 1/28/13 6 :45AM, sanjay.prasad

Re: Splitting up Flex and Air?

2013-01-28 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/28/13 12:25 AM, christofer.d...@c-ware.de christofer.d...@c-ware.de wrote: Hi, a while ago a user complained that in my Mavenizer I was deploying the Air jars in {fdk-root}/lib to the group org.apache.flex.compiler/com.adobe.flex.compiler ... ths is indeed not quite correct and I

RE: [ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Michael A. Labriola
Look at Frank's prior emails for details. We will do something, but first, I want to make sure there is enough other stuff that works such that folks even want to try to use this technology and have an issue with debugging. Just my 2 cents. This hasn't been a major issue for us with other

RE: [PR] Flex != Flash

2013-01-28 Thread Gordon Smith
Where did you get 1992? I think Gordon meant 2002 on his bio, someone correct me if I am wrong. Oops, sorry, I meant 2002. I've corrected my bio. The project that became Flex started in 2002, not 1992. - Gordon -Original Message- From: Michael Schmalle

RE: Project Apache Flex

2013-01-28 Thread Gordon Smith
Friends, how is the Apache Flex project? Active! 400 emails/week on this list! - Gordon -Original Message- From: Marcio Fermino [mailto:prologicasiste...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:20 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: Project Apache Flex Friends, how is the Apache

Re: [PR] Flex != Flash

2013-01-28 Thread Alex Harui
What year did you start working at Macromedia? On 1/28/13 10:07 AM, Gordon Smith gosm...@adobe.com wrote: Where did you get 1992? I think Gordon meant 2002 on his bio, someone correct me if I am wrong. Oops, sorry, I meant 2002. I've corrected my bio. The project that became Flex started

RE: [PR] Flex != Flash

2013-01-28 Thread Gordon Smith
I started in 1991 at MacroMind, which later became MacroMind-Paracomp after merging with Paracomp and then Macromedia after merging with Authorware. I worked on Director (and also Action) for 10 years, and did some research stuff for a year before being assigned to work on the precursor to

Re: [PR] Flex != Flash

2013-01-28 Thread Erik de Bruin
Hey, Authorware! I miss Authorware, we had such fun working on it. I rode my first Segway at the MM headquarters ;-) EdB On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Gordon Smith gosm...@adobe.com wrote: I started in 1991 at MacroMind, which later became MacroMind-Paracomp after merging with Paracomp

RE: Project Apache Flex

2013-01-28 Thread Kessler CTR Mark J
Since I started a pst just for the dev list I have... 8356 emails alone since 6/25/2012 I wonder how many I had before that. -Mark -Original Message- From: Gordon Smith [mailto:gosm...@adobe.com] Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 1:10 PM To: dev@flex.apache.org Subject: RE: Project

Re: [FalconJx] AMD emitter

2013-01-28 Thread Frank Wienberg
Okay, so now I guess I am really finished with my brain-dump into the Wiki page :-)

Mustella News

2013-01-28 Thread Peter Ent
I'm happy to announce that Mustella is now fully ready for use! All tests are passing on Mac and Windows, including AIR and Mobile test suites. You'll find Mustella in the develop branch of the Apache Flex SVN repository or as part of the Apache Flex source download; Mustella will become part

Re: ASJS question - MXML vs. AS

2013-01-28 Thread Alex Harui
OK, I'll put together the AS version of the app. On 1/28/13 3:35 PM, Om bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: On 1/27/13 10:50 PM, Om bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: But they dont seem to match up. Can you please respond with

Re: [ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Daniel Wasilewski
Here we go again, I have to say from my stand point, thumbs up for the Erik approach. I also believe and think about JS output as optimised result of whatever compiler can do with source code written in AS3. I can't see any benefit in having mimic of AS3 in JS to the accuracy of every single

Re: ASJS question - MXML vs. AS

2013-01-28 Thread Alex Harui
And you will need to update MXMLDataInterpreter.as from SVN. On 1/28/13 5:21 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: OK, here it is: FlexJSTest.as: package { import controllers.MyController; import flash.display.Sprite; import flash.text.TextField; import

Re: [ASJS] debugging output JS?

2013-01-28 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/28/13 6:13 PM, Daniel Wasilewski devudes...@gmail.com wrote: We have 2 camps now, performance vs debugging features. I don't think it is one vs the other. There are trade-offs to be made. First we have to get enough stuff working to see what the trade-offs are. Yes, Jangaroo is

RE: facebook api

2013-01-28 Thread Avi Kessner
When it comes to Facebook, if you want to keep your game ahead of the curve I strongly suggest making the calls directly. As you noted, Facebook tends to change their apis and sometimes even their basic assumptions on a very frequent basis. I've been burned more than once when trying to use a

Re: Mustella News

2013-01-28 Thread Avi Kessner
I was really looking forward to the tests being part of the sdk. I can understand the desire not to release it, but would like to request a page or wiki on how a any random person can see how the tests are written and see them running. I think it can really help elevate the standards of the

Re: Project Apache Flex

2013-01-28 Thread Avi Kessner
Very leet (1337) :-) On Jan 28, 2013 8:57 PM, Harbs harbs.li...@gmail.com wrote: I have 13307 emails from the dev list since 3/2/12! On Jan 28, 2013, at 8:26 PM, Kessler CTR Mark J wrote: Since I started a pst just for the dev list I have... 8356 emails alone since 6/25/2012 I wonder

Re: Mustella News

2013-01-28 Thread Avi Kessner
Thank you On Jan 29, 2013 9:17 AM, Om bigosma...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:06 PM, Avi Kessner akess...@gmail.com wrote: I was really looking forward to the tests being part of the sdk. I can understand the desire not to release it, but would like to request a page or

Re: ASJS question - MXML vs. AS

2013-01-28 Thread Om
That worked. Thanks! Om On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 6:22 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: And you will need to update MXMLDataInterpreter.as from SVN. On 1/28/13 5:21 PM, Alex Harui aha...@adobe.com wrote: OK, here it is: FlexJSTest.as: package { import