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t leads and the Community Manager - all the three of them
> give their best to further OOo and the marketing project.
>
> (And I'm quite sure that nobody will withdraw his/her affirmation to
> the other points I wrote about because of this statement.)
Of course not.
BTW, +1 bel
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>
> Ian Lynch wrote:
> > On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 16:27 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
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> [snip]
>
> Let's get away from personal invective and concentrate on
> > increasing the take
d concentrate on
increasing the take up of OOo and just accept that its not possible to
centrally control a volunteer community that is more rooted in the
anarchy of the bazaar than the hierarchy of the cathedral.
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> >>Arnie is not a typical case.
> >
> > What is a typical case?
>
> Most famous objects, people and ideas do not become famous by having a
> complicated name.
Equally plenty of
On Sun, 2005-12-11 at 12:40 +, Daniel Carrera wrote:
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> > The main argument is really that its too trivial an issue to waste any
> > resources on. I'd say if there is any significant cost at all its not
> > worth it. There are far higher priorities
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> > Awkward :-) Schwarzenegger is pretty awkward but it doesn't seem to have
> > held him back that much.
>
> Arnie is not a typical case.
What is a typical case? Arnie could easily have change
ness Machines
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is a very minor issue. So what othername would you choose that was
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> >>Nah, I don't like the .org at all. And I don't think it conveys "open
> >>souce" in the slightest.
> >
> > In the slightest? How slight is slight? More intern
its very unlikely that there will be a change in the ownership of the
name Open Office so ita all academic.
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> >>The .org in the productname directly makes clear this is an Open Source
> >>project and people are tempted to try out the name in a browser to see
> >>more about the product. So actua
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fees. Bear in mind that mobile phones are outselling desktop computers
at least 3:1. On that basis the potential for OOo on ARM is bigger than
it is on i586.
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> I confirm this, Nvu if there is no user profile, at startup it prompts a
> similar display. This could be a good solution.
>
> Andrea S.
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something.
> Stories like this are users that we can really count.
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> >> So does that mean you no longer doubt I want to support OOo, or you no
> >> longer think that I might?
> >
> > It mea
r doubt I want to support OOo, or you no
> longer think that I might?
It means you have confirmed his suspicions that the majority of your
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Yes, some fresh ideas from somone trained in the area would be really
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n adding an extension to lock it in to MSO
whenever a file is opened or saved? What is the motivation behind
inventing a different yet functionally almost identical standard to the
one that already exists and was backed by every other player? If they
intend to be truly open that doesn't make any
lt to compete with
collective tools that will provide much more user flexibility. The good
news is that this won't happen overnight so there is some time, but the
longer its left, the more likely that the boat will be missed. This is
where design
ncommon for them to say one tihng and do
another. I think there is at least a 50:50 chance that MS will change
its mind over supporting ODF, particularly if it looks like they might
lose out on sales if governments start adopting applications and every
other major player in the IT industry promo
> afterwards.
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indeed they are over-priced.
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full Linux suite that gets used a lot! ;)
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and heavily MS dependent. They have announced they will
be removing their dependence on MS Office formats and will be providing
support for OpenOffice.org in future so another cut in the death by a
thousand cuts for the MSO monopoly :-)
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more the better :-)
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If Florian is elected European of the year it will give great
publicity to the anti-swpat lobby which can only help OOo.
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the noise. OOo linkage will do that
to some extent. It will also help to have trial sites which will give
you endorsements and show others that it really works in the environment
you are targeting.
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x27;d say that in a marketing project with no
money, we need more simple low cost initiatives that don't take too much
in the way of resources but help keep the product profile in people's
minds. We could do with being at as many IT shows as possible but these
cost money even if the volun
reason to please gear conversation back to marketing OpenOffice.
So what do you suggest we need to do to maximise the marketing effort of
2.0? Or have you a specific proposal to further something in the
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If you want to discuss further I'm quite happy to take it to private
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file format is supported
by all the significant office suites in the world. So its on topic for
marketing.
I think that now its probably run through most of the associated issues
so it can probably terminate unless others have significant relevant
things to add.
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people take part in it its because they believe its important. If they
don't the thread will die anyway. The only recent thread drawing similar
interest is "Its hard to beat office king" I would have said that was a
much more worthy candidate to go to social. Apart from that t
tomers are asking for, and generally
> respond.
Except that they can say whatever they like about that to suit
themselves. The point of an independent public petition is just that.
Its independent and public. Whether or not this has any effect remains
to be seen but certainly not tryi
ODF look more
> > desparate for publicity.
>
> Over 1,000 people disagree with you :-)
So far and its only been going a couple of days. Go on Chad, do the
right thing, sign the petition :-)
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Just keep posting Chad, its good for morale to have a laugh. Its getting
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with pretty reasonable accuracy and I bet the vast majority are running
at least some MS software.
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my business plan progressed I'll create more time to follow these things
up with a better strategy.
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individual on the value systems they respond to. Some markets are more
price sensitive than others but only a fool has disregard for costs in
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> laptop.)
Take a Knoppix disc and run OOo from the live CD so you can run in
Impress.
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mat. I don't think there is
too much to worry about on the subject of donations. If ODF raises
significant funds, its not likely to be from passive donations, much
more likely from providing services or from larger donations from
individuals and/or companies who really
the UK.
Just for info, ODF has members in Australia, Canada, Czech Republic,
France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Mexico, New Zealand, Poland, USA, UK.
Its early days yet but it would be wrong to think this was just a few
people with limited global support.
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hoolforge Uk and Mark Taylor who
is the CEO of the Open Source Consortium of companies. Its important to
get members from a broad range of interest groups to demonstrate that
ODF is a universal standard for all to use.
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it I can't see who else is going to pay. Selling merchandise on the day,
based on the experiment I did with Adam isn't going to come close to
covering the costs. In a nutshell, the marketing project needs a revenue
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a massive dream, dream that Fox will air it during
> Prime Time.]
:-)
All of this is partly what inspired me to start the INGOTs. At least
there is some chance of getting an income stream to do something rather
than wishing on a rainbow ;-)
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main conference at least for a regiCon.
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roducts no matter how good and low cost the
competition. It is in all customers' interests to insist that MS adopt
and support the internationally agreed standard and then we can all
choose our software tools on the basis of price and
Competition is forcing some change.
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UK.
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h community? Chinese?
Collectively the other languages could be bigger users than English now
but I doubt that is the case individually.
> OOo Marketing must continue to define OOo by what it is, not by the fact
> that it-isn't-Microsoft.
But equally we are in competition with MS
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So to make marketing to large scale organisations effective, get a
strategy to finance doing it. Just being able to pay expenses for
someone to go and talk to the people would be a start.
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students, who for years have been beset by rising tuition costs."
No wonder the tuition fees are high if they pay $2.3m for stuff they
could get for nothing ;-)
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procedures for dealing with objections etc. There is no blinding hurry
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1.1.5 so why can't MS? They are not exactly short of resources to do it.
Why not give customers what they want rather than just try and lock out
competition?
> one Microsoft executive said this week after the report
specialists in ODF such as Gary Edwards.
Do we have people in every state? If its down to one or two individuals
to try and contact the CTO for each state its a fairly big job.
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could easily get people to register their company name on a web site
to say they were in favour. If a lot of people did this it woould put a
lot of pressure on MS to do what their customers are asking them to do.
Like the press release. Maybe needs to be cut down a bit. Usu
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> The FUD will be loud and it (we) will embarass them, because people get
> this now.
Question: Would it be feasible to set up a petition of MS customers who
would like them to adopt ODF as the default in the next version of
office?
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corporate and government customers if they would prefer MS to
standardise on ODF would be pretty easy to do.
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effort are prone to tantrums when things don't go their way. I'd be
surprised if we don't see it more often.
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it allows quick
> responses to events)
> I think that both (a) and (b) are very important.
This is fine, but I would like to see the various people being discussed
in the discussion or we can make all the suggestions in the world and
nothing w
ey messages we want
> to talk about? What will be our news, to make sure the press
> picks up what we have/want to say?
I think first we need to know why this doesn't appear to be happening
now and what needs to be changed to make it happen. The specific
messages are not really the issue.
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act as OpenOffice.org
> officials and hopefully don't say nonsense, they are free to
> write, say and blog what they want.
>
> BTW, the news about MA's decision haven't spread in Germany
> yet,
So maybe someone who speaks German should make sure it happens ;-)
> bu
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> >>On Thu, 2005-09-01 at 12:31 -0400, swhiser wrote:
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> >>BTW, we were talking about PR and OOo spo
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ODF support. Come on MS implement it
as the default for the next release of MSO and show you are willing to
compete on an even footing with everyone else. Fact is if you don't you
will be competing on your own when the EU do
> And put up a first suggestion.
Ok, let's get the artists to work. Don't ask me! I am to art what George
Bush is to use of the English language :-)
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>
> Ah, I understand. (To me surge protection was assimilated to surgical
> gloves, but nevermind :-) ).
If the surge was big enough you might need a surgeon for skin grafts :-)
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Look at the difficulties for Jacqueline and John when they have no
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health service or local government. To me it makes more sense to lever
areas of expertise rather than to take a scatter gun approach.
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> http://www.mouserunner.com/FF_PromoMatAnimPg3.html
We could definitely do with a standard backdrop for booths when OOo
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f someone can think of an equivalent for
lawyers, dentists, car mechanics or whatever, go for it. Successful
entrepreneurs are more valuable than coders because successful
entrepreneurs have the potential to keep many coders productive.
Entrepreneurs started Sun. Sun b
for the EU tax payer in the case of OOo etc.
Take other projects such as the Birmingham City Library Open Source
trial and the fact they use OOo on their Linux workstations. Work with
OSC to do joint press releases as they are the
nth later. There's
> a lot of opportunity to reuse material.
> Now, consider that I am just one person who is not even terribly
> interested in marketing. Surely, a larger team could keep the press going.
>
> Cheers,
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> question, and I actually I have one, too. However, I'm not a
> developer, I'm a manager of any developers and I do not a potential
> (major) sponsor of something like a foundation. Thus, why should
> my opinion
silly to say
it can't be done because it wasn't on a planned list. Again back to the
fundamental principle. Will it help promote OOo?
> I'm looking forward to you open and friendly feedback as
> well as your proposals how to answer these questions!
I hope that is friendly enough :-) The feedback and proposals are
intended to be constructive
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to have corporate backing like with IBM. Firefox is doing well, good
luck to them.
> I hope describing these serious and fundamental problems, places this
> thread in the StrangeLovian light it belongs.
Problems are there to be solved. Some things you can do something about,
so
important event taking place?
> I do hope I clarified things.
Hmmm
> Cheers,
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> No one appreciates being insulted in public . . .
I can empathise with that ;-)
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> community. It can possible even become the center of the universe of
> OOo blogs that we were discussing on this list a few weeks ago...
How about an OOo news Wiki? That would make it a bit more versatile.
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> Ian Lynch wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 12:36 +0800, Jacqueline McNally wrote:
> >
> >
> >> There were too few people able to commit promised resources to the
> >> previous event.
> &
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> Especially if we could get you in a Seagull suit. :)
> http://www.funfolly.com/h/mascots/c1580.htm
Now that would be worth going to see. I might well be tempted to pay for
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ople would be better than not being
there. I don't think we can just rely on one conference a year in one
place. So maybe we should plan a specific set of events that we target
to attend to provide a geographical spread and also a spread of time of
attendance. We plan early and raise money i
too long to reflect this but to start with some of it will only apply
here in the UK, eg moderation visits - because we can't afford to do
them yet in other countries. We can do this country by country as we get
enough take up thoug
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see any of the volunteers in my immediate circles not motivated. There
are bound to be set backs, don't waste energy on these unless you can
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n fact of such little consequence that she can go and
no-one will worry. If on the otherhand that person's work is valuable,
the leadership task is to keep them motivated. Ironically, applying
logic to emotional issues is rather more difficult when one is part of
the emotional matrix which is
On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 23:29 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote:
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> > On Mon, 2005-08-15 at 09:25 -0400, swhiser wrote:
> >
> >> I will comment on my own post...
> >>
> >> This must be true if we are headed into th
nd
Daniel got to see the London Science Museum, Houses of Parliament, Big
Ben, Buckingham Palace, Trafalgar Square and Tower Bridge. And we didn't
get blown up on the Undergound so a pretty good day ;-)
Regards,
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Ian Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
ZMSL
heard somewhere that since Sun had open sourced Solaris it
was concentrating on Java Desktop on Solaris and not on Linux. Maybe
that was wrong but it would explain a lower commitment to Linux shows.
Any Sun people know if there is any substance to this?
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Ian Lync
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