Re: [Mentors] Please sign off on Incubator status report

2019-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 9:19 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/April2019 ... Done - it looks like we stepped on each other's toes while editing but should be good now. I just replaced long URLs with http://s.apache.org/ short links. -Bertrand --

Re: Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Apr 4, 2019 at 2:45 AM Eric Bresie wrote: > ...Just curious where are the “standard ASF guidelines” mentioned for > reference?.. I meant "bylaws", sorry, here: https://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws And also https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html -Bertrand -

Re: Google's Season of Docs now accepting organization applications

2019-04-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 9:26 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...Note that the ASF is applying as an organization... Change of plans! Projects *can* Apply Individually for Google Season of Docs, see https://lists.apache.org/thread.h

Re: Google's Season of Docs now accepting organization applications

2019-04-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 7:43 AM Antonio wrote: > Google's "Season of Docs" is now accepting organization applications... Note that the ASF is applying as an organization, see https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/da419dd64b00d00ba5db8ab9d31c4500ee18a18340f58d2f06ecb3bc@%3Cdev.community.apache

Re: [DISCUSS] Resolution for Apache NetBeans graduation to TLP

2019-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, the resolution looks mostly good to me, thanks! With one paragraph to remove: On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 3:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...RESOLVED, that the initial Apache NetBeans PMC be and hereby is tasked with > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open development and

Re: Which mentors want to continue on the Apache NetBeans roster?

2019-04-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 10:55 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...You can see that Bertrand Delacratez, Ate Douma, and Daniel Gruno have > indicated in one way or another that they would like to continue to be on > the Apache NetBeans roster... Confirmed, I'm fine with remaining on the PMC to hel

Re: [MENTORS] Partial/Patch releases

2019-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Sun, Mar 24, 2019 at 11:16 AM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > ...Regarding that we are right now voting on the whole source code before > releases, how shall we handle patch releases of a module?... Assuming a patch is a set of source files it can be handled like any other Apache Release. Nothi

Re: [MENTORS] Apache NetBeans maven artifacts groupId and process

2019-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 8:48 AM Ate Douma wrote: > ...Unless one of the other mentors has a different view or is aware of more > explicit guidelines in this, I suggest raising these questions at > tradema...@apache.org instead +1 and I suggest backing that discussion with a https://issue

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Apache NetBeans Graduation to Top Level Project

2019-03-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 10:01 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...The next step in the process is to vote on the resolution, here on this > mailing list. That vote will begin in a separate thread, today, which again > will be open for a minimum of 72 hours. If that vote succeeds, a similar > vot

Re: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans graduation to Top Level Project

2019-03-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 4:00 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >... -- for anyone surprised at this intervention, this is in response to the > PPMC voting on new committers at the moment, which is a process that takes > place on the @private mailing list... And it's about one specific vote - again as G

Re: [VOTE] Apache NetBeans graduation to Top Level Project

2019-03-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 11:48 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Please take a minute to vote on whether or not Apache NetBeans should > graduate to a Top Level Project... Enthusiastic +1 with my mentor hat on, I think this podling has done a great job and is ready to graduate! -Bertrand

Google Summer of Code 2019 Mentor Registration

2019-03-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi NetBeans PPMC, Google Summer of Code 2019 is on, and the ASF has been accepted as an organization. So NetBeans can host GSoC students, provided someone from the PPMC agrees to be their mentor. See the instructions below and if there are questions I should be able to help, I've been a mentor a

Re: [MENTORS) ]Website for download link of Apache NetBeans (incubating) parent pom

2019-03-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 3:13 PM Eric Barboni wrote: > ...I would like to create the announce mail but I think it's mandatory to have > an website place where the download link resides... Why not http://netbeans.apache.org/download ? -Bertrand

Re: [DISCUSS] Becoming a top level Apache project

2019-03-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:59 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Maturity assessment is here: > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Maturity+Model+Assessment+for+NetBeans .. Thanks - as an incubation mentor I think this project is ready to graduate, and is a great exampl

Re: How to access infra.chat now?

2019-03-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 1:12 PM Jiří Kovalský wrote: > ...I am not sure > I have my @apache.org e-mail which is required for account registration... You need that address for several things, if needed you should be able to redirect it as needed using https://id.apache.org/ -Bertrand ---

Re: [VOTE] PMC chair for Apache NetBeans

2019-03-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 5:39 PM Glenn Holmer wrote: > ...the question was whether it would be unseemly to have an Oracle > employee as PMC chair. I think there's clear agreement that that's not > the case Yes, I think Geertjan has sufficiently demonstrated his independence and understandi

Re: Team in India

2019-03-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 3:39 PM Christian Lenz wrote: > ...I already heard those names but I didn’t know which people are from > community like me, > working in his freetime (for some I can guess, for some not) on features and > who are the > people are still get paid from Oracle... FWIW,

Re: [VOTE] PMC chair for Apache NetBeans

2019-03-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 3:29 PM Glenn Holmer wrote: > > This voting thread is to confirm Geertjan Wielenga as the first PMC > chair of NetBeans as we leave incubation... I was initially surprised to see this appear out of the blue but there was a prior discussion here a few days ago indeed [1

[updates] too many requests to /dyn/closer.lua

2019-03-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, See https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-2204 - if we got that right, it looks like in certain cases the NetBeans updates system might be causing out-of-bounds usage of apache.org infrastructure. -Bertrand - To uns

Re: About the NetBeans brand and our trademark

2019-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 4:31 PM Jan Lahoda wrote: > ...I'd be much > happier if the "convenience binary signed by the release manager, voted and > approved by (P)PPMC and corresponding to an Apache NetBeans official > release" would be used.).. Of course - we just have to be careful how we use th

Re: About the NetBeans brand and our trademark

2019-01-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:44 PM Jan Lahoda wrote: > ...Frankly, I wonder if there's a chance to allow some "good" uses, like "X > with Apache NetBeans N" or a "Bundle of X and Apache NetBeans N", provided > some basic conditions are met,... Of course that's possible, as Geertjan says the Net

Re: About the NetBeans brand and our trademark

2019-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 11:22 AM Emilian Bold wrote: > > Is it really wise to create a separate FAQ from the Apache trademarks > pages?... If you keep it minimal I think it's good - you probably just need 2-3 good examples of naming for the types of things that people are doing with NetBeans.

Re: [MENTORS] Re: Maturity Model Assessment and Incubator Status Report

2019-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jan 3, 2019 at 11:17 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Aside from the maturity assessment, which we’re working on, > what’s the process for graduation... https://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html has a checklist. One thing that I like to add is checking that the suggested P

Re: About the NetBeans brand and our trademark

2019-01-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Dec 31, 2018 at 4:32 PM Emilian Bold wrote: > ...we should be proactive about our trademark Indeed. The simplest might be to create a FAQ about how people can use the Apache NetBeans name in specific cases, like creating their own installer or extension or creating an app built o

Re: FYI: binding / non binding

2018-12-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 7:31 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > ...since the first votes we've had we've used (binding) > and (non-binding) to indicate votes from PPMC members and not. Non-PPMC > members can also vote. As far as I understand it's also about acting like > we're ready to graduate... +1 with

Re: [PPMC] We need volunteers for NetBeans lists moderation (+ [MENTORS] , want to step down?)

2018-12-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Dec 3, 2018 at 10:55 AM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ..I'll wait 2-3 days for possible changes in the list of email addresses > above and then make the change request... I did this now, per mail to apm...@apache.org as per https://www.apache.org/dev/infra-contact

Re: [MENTORS] Individual code donations

2018-12-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 8:03 PM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > ...So basically is a PR made by the "Licensor" enough to fulfill the > requirements? Or there are additional ones like, e.g. the Licensor has > to be an Apache Committer or anything else?... New modules that are developed elsewhere and

Re: [PPMC] We need volunteers for NetBeans lists moderation (+ [MENTORS] , want to step down?)

2018-12-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 1:56 PM Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...To have enough moderators, could we have a 2-3 additional volunteers > for that task? You need to be a NetBeans PPMC member and > https://reference.apache.org/pmc/ml has the general instructions... Thank you very mu

Re: [PPMC] We need volunteers for NetBeans lists moderation (+ [MENTORS] , want to step down?)

2018-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 2:09 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > In view of the project's graduation > > Just note that we haven't started that discussion yet, though will do so > ASAP, the Apache NetBeans 10 release is taking all our time at the moment... No problem, that was just a friendly subcons

[PPMC] We need volunteers for NetBeans lists moderation (+ [MENTORS] , want to step down?)

2018-11-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi NetBeans PPMC members, As per https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/ppmc/netbeans it looks like it's only Geertjan and mentors who are moderating the NetBeans mailing lists for now. In view of the project's graduation I'd like to step down and maybe other mentors want do to that as well? To have e

Re: JARs in platform cluster

2018-11-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Nov 21, 2018 at 11:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...If anyone (mentors, for example) have a better solution, please say so I don't have a better suggestion, the release needs to be redone indeed - it might be useful to have a build step that checks for (at least) obvious unwan

Re: Final steps for Apache NetBeans 10

2018-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 3:27 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:22, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > > Agreed, a minor filename change is fine > > Which suggests the different naming of a file pre and post vote is not > the usual way this is handled in

Re: Final steps for Apache NetBeans 10

2018-11-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 2:01 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...This file will have the same hash as the current vc3 ZIP, the content is > the same, i.e., it's not a new release (requiring a new vote etc) just > stripping 'vc3' from the file name should be no problem -- we did similar > things befor

Releases need better digests than SHA-1

2018-11-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, As Henk noted in the Incubator PMC vote thread [1], since August 18 Apache releases MUST be accompanied by a SHA-256 and/or SHA-512 checksum file and SHOULD NOT be accompanied by MD5 or SHA-1 checksum file [2]. Can the release process be changed to accomodate that? I think for the current rel

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 3]

2018-11-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 8:29 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...In the IPMC vote, we will need two more IPMC members, since we need three > of them in total... I have finally voted in the IPMC vote thread, sorry that I took so long! Note that the solution to mentors dragging their feet for voting

Releasing RCs or not (was: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0...)

2018-10-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:41 AM Neil C Smith wrote: > ...assuming we don't release any more rc's! .. I haven't followed discussions about whether more RCs will be released or not, so maybe this is not relevant but I just thought about how other projects generally handle this. It is common to ha

[website] downloads page should point to Apache archives

2018-10-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, Now that NetBeans has made several Apache releases, older ones are automatically archived under http://archive.apache.org/dist/incubator/netbeans It would be good to have a link to that from http://netbeans.apache.org/download/ in the "Previous NetBeans versions" section, linking to both pre-

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

2018-10-15 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:07 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...in the NetBeans > ecosystem, a 'release candidate' is something different to what it is in > Apache Yes that's the key here, Netbeans is *releasing* things named "Release Candidate", as one can see at http://archive.apache.org/dist

Re: [mentors] New git repository for Javadoc

2018-10-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 10:00, Bertrand Delacretaz > wrote: > >... IIUC the "create repository" action at https://gitbox.apache.org/ is > > open to committers, did you try that? > No, because we'

Re: [mentors] New git repository for Javadoc

2018-10-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 9:46 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > ...Please could a mentor create a new git repository at > incubator-netbeans-docs... IIUC the "create repository" action at https://gitbox.apache.org/ is open to committers, did you try that? -Bertrand --

Re: Apache officier or member for IP cleareance

2018-10-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 11:18 AM Eric Barboni wrote: > ...I created the issue: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-1335 > I started the template also but it is not deployed yet... thank you, I have commented at NETBEANS-1335 -Bertrand -

Re: [Mentors] lkishalmi permissions to Jenkins for Apache NetBeans

2018-10-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:55 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Please assign permissions to > https://whimsy.apache.org/roster/group/hudson-jobadmin. > See the above, apparently project mentors can do this... Looks like I don't have karma to do that, I don't see a modify button at https://whimsy.ap

Re: [Mentors] Please sign off on the October incubator report

2018-10-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 9:49 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >... OK, done, added a URL to the issue... Ok, it would be good to briefly summarize at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-16946 what you think is "in limbo", the long block of pasted conversation there deserves a summary I think.

Re: [Mentors] Please sign off on the October incubator report

2018-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 6:23 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: ... > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/October2018 ... I have signed off but IMO a statement that "DNS info has been handed over by Oracle to Apache and is somehow in limbo now" needs to be backed by a jira ticket number or something s

Re: [mentors] Including code under MIT license that is modified

2018-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 4:17 PM Jan Lahoda wrote: > ...I have a question about code under the MIT license that is modified... Do you mean that the code will be modified after being forked to the NetBeans repository, or that the license has been modified? If that's the former I think the "Tr

Re: Apache officier or member for IP cleareance

2018-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:31 AM Eric Barboni wrote: > ...As I'm not Apache officier or Apache member I have to ask for a volunteer > Officier or Member to manage ip-clearance for donation for Apache NetBeans > Maven stuff at mojo ... I can help with this this week. To get the process started

Re: [mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 11:05 AM Eric Barboni wrote: > ...To do maven release we need nb-repository-plugin to be donated first, then > we can modify the code > to fulfill the needs to cope with Apache rules Note that it's fine to use a non-Apache Maven plugin if its license allows it. B

Re: [mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:38 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...I propose we revisit this discussion after Apache NetBeans 10 is released > in November... Works for me! > ...So we could then focus on the TLP status during December... Sounds good as a tentative goal. Your previous messages make me

Re: [mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:26 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Can mentors please assist in helping Eric Barboni with his requests for > assistance regarding Maven artefacts and in getting the DNS management of > NetBeans zones received from Oracle set up... What are the URLs of those requests? -B

Re: [mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-10-01 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 7:40 AM Mark Struberg wrote: > ...Probably we should go forward and extend Geertjans list of high-level > topics which more input from the community... Sounds good to me provided someone is willing to drive this! -Bertrand

Re: [mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-09-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, (sorry for the late reply, overloooked these responses initially) On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 12:44 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...I think it would be best to wait until we have done/figured out the > following... I don't think any of the points listed below should block graduation. Graduati

Re: Apache officier or member for IP cleareance

2018-09-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 3:05 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Can you write this e-mail again, explaining exactly what you need, but > include the word 'Mentors' in the subject line,... I have noticed this request, currently traveling, I should have time to help early next week unless someone bea

[mentors] + PPMC, Apache Maturity Model self-assessment and graduation

2018-09-20 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Netbeans mentors + PPMC. I feel that NetBeans is getting ready to graduate, and would welcome other opinions on this (either here or on the private@ list if really needed), especially from mentors. I think there are more donations upcoming but as the NetBeans PPMC has demonstrated it knows how

Re: [DISCUSS] NetBeans brand and domain transition to Apache

2018-09-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 8:38 PM Will Hartung wrote: > ...So, what it's the definition of distribution? Hosted on Apache > infrastructure?... Yes that's my understanding. Apache artifacts are distributed via our mirroring system [1] and that's only for software that we produce. OTOH if the le

Re: [VOTE] Accept donation Mojohaus NetBeans Maven Utilities

2018-09-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 12:15 PM Eric Barboni wrote: > ...Milos Kleint one of the main contributor is willing to donate > contribution to the Apache Netbeans project... Note that whoever owns the code has to sign an Apache Software Grant [1] - if Milos feels he can do that, all is good. If th

Re: Migrating NetBeans Mojohaus Maven related ecosystem to Apache NetBeans

2018-09-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 10:07 AM Eric Barboni wrote: > ...What are the steps needed to migrate if it's possible to do so ?... If the PPMC accepts the donation, the process is described at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/ Basically, whoever donates code which has not been developed a

Re: Google Analytice and netbeans.apache.org

2018-09-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...if we go ahead with this, we'll need > something like this too: > > http://jackrabbit.apache.org/jcr/privacy-policy.html I think linking to https://www.apache.org/foundation/policies/privacy.html should be good enough, IIRC that Ja

Re: [DISCUSS] NetBeans brand and domain transition to Apache

2018-09-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 12:35 PM Ate Douma wrote: > ...the > answer below from Roman *only* concerns allowing *linking* to > prior official releases. That is very different from *distributing* > such prior release artifacts from apache.org, which isn't allowed... I agree with Ate here, it's f

Re: [DISCUSS] NetBeans brand and domain transition to Apache

2018-09-03 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 11:28 PM Will Hartung wrote: > ...Is it even possible for the Apache foundation to distribute older artifacts > if they have, for example, GPL licensed parts within them?... No, only Apache Releases (and the corresponding convenience binaries) can be distributed from

Re: org.netbeans name prefix for artifacts and Java packages (was: [DISCUSS] NetBeans brand and domain transition to Apache)

2018-08-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 3:41 PM Andreas Sewe wrote: > ...If you switch just the groupId from org.netbeans to > org.apache.netbeans (but leave artifactIds and package names intact), > then this is relatively painless, thanks to so-called relocation POMs [1] Yes, and that's something that happe

Re: [DISCUSS] NetBeans brand and domain transition to Apache

2018-08-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 1:46 PM Neil C Smith wrote: > ...The DNS settings > could still point back to Oracle hosting for all, then select, > subdomains Yes - I think the only requirement at this point is that the *ownership* of the domains is transferred to Apache, moving the content is a sep

org.netbeans name prefix for artifacts and Java packages (was: [DISCUSS] NetBeans brand and domain transition to Apache)

2018-08-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 1:01 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...A related knock-on effect is that org.netbeans will be available for Apache > NetBeans Maven archetypes, since the netbeans.org domain will belong to > Apache... I suppose you mean Maven *artifacts*. Note that AFAIK NetBeans shou

Re: Agenda and doodle for Virtual Apache NetBeans Meeting 2

2018-08-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:16 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Notes... Thank you! Having notes and links here allows everyone to participate, without having to listen to long recordings. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-

Re: Agenda and doodle for Virtual Apache NetBeans Meeting 2

2018-08-21 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 1:45 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...we discussed current status of Apache NetBeans, followed by some new ideas > and discussions:.. Are you planning to share written notes as well? It would be good to have an overview here of what was discussed as well as any actio

Re: Protecting the Apache NetBeans trademark (was: Netbeans 9.0 mac installer forever lost?)

2018-07-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...Will try to track this (completely random) person (who AFAIK I don’t know > at all, which is great, the more new people involved the better) down... GitHub makes it easy, just send a pull request ;-) -Bertrand ---

Protecting the Apache NetBeans trademark (was: Netbeans 9.0 mac installer forever lost?)

2018-07-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Jul 30, 2018 at 12:55 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: ... > https://github.com/Webbiefourth/Apache-Netbeans-9.0-MacOSX ... Note that in terms of Apache trademarks "Apache-Netbeans-9.0-MacOSX" is not an appropriate name for something that's not from Apache. It should rather be called somethin

Re: Vote open for 5 days? (was: Fw: I have started the vote thread on general@ incubator mailing list)

2018-07-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:20 PM Emilian Bold wrote: > .."At least 72hours" sounds useful in retrospect as it's open-ended. But otoh > I assumed the voting > window has to be predictable because people might schedule to verify the > release later on... only > to find out the voting closed al

Vote open for 5 days? (was: Fw: I have started the vote thread on general@ incubator mailing list)

2018-07-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:21 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >... However, the vote is open for 5 days, starting from 2018/07/24 05:27:03 > CET, which means on Sunday, 29 July... Weird - I see the vote message [1] says "the vote is open for 5 days", why is that? Votes are usually open for "at

Re: [MENTORS] Re: Contrib repo & Community Plugin Repo

2018-07-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 7:58 PM Antonio wrote: >... I've raised the [MENTORS] flag with two kind requests for clarification >:-)... I'm not sure what you are asking exactly, can you reformulate? Or start new threads for clarity. -Bertrand --

Re: [Mentors] Advice on branding of Apache NetBeans book

2018-07-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018 at 5:20 AM Emilian Bold wrote: ... > I think you start with reading https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/ .. Yes and there's a specific section for books, https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/#books -Bertrand ---

Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

2018-07-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 10:16 AM Delfi Ramirez wrote: > ...I understand that each collaborator will arrange and make a cession, > written and signed, of his > contribution to the community, and of course will have permission of his/her > contractor – if there > is such a personal scenario –

Re: Apache NetBeans Apress Book

2018-07-19 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jul 18, 2018 at 6:25 PM Delfi Ramirez wrote: > ...Money you pay for a physical book covers the expenses of print, logistics > ( storage , delivering) > and marketing. It also covers the licenses and , if accorded, the rights of > the publisher There are many examples of tech books a

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 3]

2018-07-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 11:40 AM Emilian Bold wrote: > ...Build artifacts available here: > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/netbeans/incubating-netbeans-java/incubating-9.0-vc3 +1, binding, IPMC, for releasing SHA1(incubating-netbeans-java-9.0-source.zip)= ed2098c173460ec81f056350

Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers

2018-07-02 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Jan, On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 11:53 AM Jan Lahoda wrote: > ...Any idea how to move that forward? It would be awesome if we could compile > our launchers and not use the legacy ones Doesn't LEGAL-390 answer your concerns? IANAL but it sounds like with the right information in your LICENCE

Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list

2018-06-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 9:34 AM Luca Mambretti wrote: > ...During the previous programs there were weekly reports on activities, > measurement on traffic > on the mailing list and various surveys to check the status of the release > train in the allotted > time-frame; ... I know little abo

Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list

2018-06-26 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:13 PM Sven Reimers wrote: > ...3. How about ensuring that NetCAT has a representative as part of the > (i/P)PMC - then those people can just vote -1 on a release and we do not > need any other additional means Note that release votes are majority votes, as per

Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list

2018-06-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018 at 12:46 AM Antonio wrote: >... Has anybody asked _them_ about this merge? What do they think?... The original post in this thread was cross-posted to both dev and netcat lists. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe,

Re: [DISCUSS] Merging back netcat@ into the dev@ mailing list

2018-06-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 11:15 PM Emilian Bold wrote: > ...The dev@ mailing list is our Apache 'central square' so to speak and even > if we don't work on the same particular issue, we should get to know > each-other, at least by name My recommendation as an incubation mentor is indeed to brin

Adjusting the PMC members list before graduation (was: [Mentors] Status of incubator.apache.org/projects/netbeans.html)

2018-06-18 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 11:03 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...when we become a top level project, we should ask each > individual person who is a committer/PPMC member about how seriously > they'll be involved in the top level project... One thing that worked well for other podlings is to make a

Re: New blog entry: "Apache NetBeans at FOSS Backstage 2018"

2018-06-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:53 AM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/apache-netbeans-at-foss-backstage > It was a good time. :-) Indeed! Thanks for the blog post and it was great finally meeting you in person! -Bertrand

Re: reviews.apache.org - git integration?

2018-06-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 7:46 PM Matthias Bläsing wrote: > ...I'm now up to three accounts I need just for > apache... At that point my happiness dropped... The ASF infra team is working on having everything driven by LDAP, but that takes some time. Last I heard of it, Jira and Confluence should b

Re: Committers vs. PPMC members

2018-06-14 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 6:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...I > noticed that the people we thought we had voted on as PPMC members are > listed as committers In the future, it's best to explicitly mention "electing someone as PPMC member and committer" when electing people on the NetBeans p

Re: Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-07 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Emilian Bold wrote: > ...In practice we never saw a patch being discussed on the mailing list... Maybe you're too young for that ;-) -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.i

Re: Congratulations! Your talk has been accepted for FOSS Backstage

2018-06-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 11:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: >... Who is able to be there and/or to speak at the session with me?... My talk is at the same time than yours, too bad! But looking forward to meeting you in person, finally. -Bertrand ---

Re: Microsoft buys GitHub

2018-06-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 3:55 PM, Emilian Bold wrote: > The frog is boiled slowly... The ASF insists on all our repositories being mirrored on servers that we control [1] exactly for such reasons: being dependent on GitHub or any other commercial service would not work for our "we'll still be aroun

Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers

2018-06-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Jan, On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Jan Lahoda wrote: > ...-the launchers include jni.h - I suspected using jni.h from (Open)JDK might > be troublesome; but luckily, there is Apache Harmony, and their jni.h works > fine (or seems so, at least). So, I've included the jni.h and jni_types.h > f

Re: [Mentors] Assembling NOTICE for ASF dependencies

2018-06-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 9:17 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote: > ...https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-827 ... I have commented there. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org For

Re: NetBeans celebrates 1.7 million active users

2018-06-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Jiří Kovalský wrote: > ...People can opt-out being counted if they set Check Interval for > Automatically Check for Updates option to "Never" and then do not check > NetBeans Update Center manually I'm not a specialist on these things but I think for an A

Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers

2018-06-04 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Jan, On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Jan Lahoda wrote: >... NetBeans has native Windows launchers to start on Windows, and we needed to > update them. So I tried here: > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/573 ... Can you summarize what the mentor-related issue is? Distributing

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Neil C Smith wrote: > ...Yes, Emi suggested elsewhere we might use a specific vote suffix instead - > eg. rc1-vote1 which might be a good idea, if we need one at all?!.. Each VOTE thread must be about one specific set of artifacts, clearly identified. If NetBeans

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 9.0 RC1 (incubating) rc1

2018-05-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
(dropping general@incubator.a.o - votes happen on the NetBeans dev list before moving there) On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Emilian Bold wrote: >> b) Justin provided detailed feedback on the 9.0-Beta-RC3 on (possible) > I have created 26 NETBEANS JIRA issues with Justin's remarks and we'l

Re: ASF Member Required (was Fwd: Re: [SITE] Website Checker Question (images))

2018-05-23 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 9:01 PM, Antonio wrote: > Should be ready now Ok, done, details at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-636 -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.incubator.apach

Re: ASF Member Required (was Fwd: Re: [SITE] Website Checker Question (images))

2018-05-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:13 PM, Antonio wrote: > ...In order to improve our website checks [1] we are required [2] to have our > logo (212 px wide, attached)... This list strips attachment, could you attach the logo to https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/NETBEANS-636 ? -Bertrand ---

Re: NetBeans cash bounties

2018-04-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 11:45 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: > ...which I why I also suggested taking it to the Apache > Foundation as a global issue. All Apache projects could benefit from > such. No reason to limit to just Netbeans... I don't think the ASF can ever get involved in paying bou

Re: NetBeans cash bounties

2018-04-11 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM, John Muczynski wrote: > ...Just because something has a bounty doesn't mean that somehow it can bypass > the normal commit process... Exactly. Many Apache committers are paid to work on our projects but that doesn't allow them to say "I need this commit to go in

Re: NetBeans cash bounties

2018-04-10 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 9:22 AM, Christian Lenz wrote: > Is this question more about finding and Fixing Bugs that can harm user? Like > exploitable Bugs?... Note that for security vulnerabilities the ASF security process must be followed, that's at http://www.apache.org/security/committers.html

Re: Automatic website publishing

2018-04-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 2:06 PM, Antonio wrote: > ...I think we should document that somewhere (in the website? ;-)) ... For me the natural place to look for website publishing instructions is the README at https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans-website -Bertrand --

Re: NetBeans cash bounties

2018-04-09 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Emilian Bold wrote: > ...I've been thinking of posting some bounties for the NetBeans annoyances I > encounter... See https://community.apache.org/committers/funding-disclaimer.html for a disclaimer that's been used in the past for such things. You'll need s

Re: [PMC Chairs] Jenkins job permissions

2018-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 1:01 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > ...I've asked for johnmcdonnell and wadechandler to be added as well... And that's done now. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: [PMC Chairs] Jenkins job permissions

2018-03-27 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 8:40 AM, John McDonnell wrote: > I'm familiar with Jenkins also Ok, I've asked for johnmcdonnell and wadechandler to be added as well. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@netbeans.inc

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