Andrew Ziem wrote:
Hello,
I heard it's easy to package ogltrans as oxt, so I wonder if I am closer
to success or closer to exposing my ignorance. :)
I have an oxt**, but it fails to load with error like
(com.sun.start.lang.DisposedException) {{{Message = "URP_Bridge :
disposed\X000a(tid=22)
Hello,
I heard it's easy to package ogltrans as oxt, so I wonder if I am closer
to success or closer to exposing my ignorance. :)
I have an oxt**, but it fails to load with error like
(com.sun.start.lang.DisposedException) {{{Message = "URP_Bridge :
disposed\X000a(tid=22) Unexpected connecti
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"Leibowitz, Michael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm doing research on software packaging systems. I know that
> openoffice.org can be a difficult piece of software to package and was
> curious how many people devote most or part of their time to packaging.
I'm doing research on software packaging systems. I know that
openoffice.org can be a difficult piece of software to package and was
curious how many people devote most or part of their time to packaging.
The DomainDeveloper page on the wiki lists a few, but I'm sure there are
more. I'd also be c
Hi Jurgen
a working solution will probably have influence on the decision. We talk
here about a huge project and we don't make a decision based on some gut
feeling.
sure !!
but you may admit that the problem is a 'cricular reference' :-)
Btw, i may find some volunteers setting up a protot
Laurent Godard wrote:
Hi,
saying it's "easy" is easy ;-), i know that it is possible to extract
data and create for example a PDF. But the output isn't comparable to
what we have at the moment. Show me a working and satisfying solution
and we can discuss it.
Juergen, you know such a solutio
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Thorsten Behrens wrote:
>> Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
- - using non-free libraries like gpc
(thankfully now avoidable by --disable-gpc and using basegfxs stuff)
>>> This is indeed
Hi,
saying it's "easy" is easy ;-), i know that it is possible to extract
data and create for example a PDF. But the output isn't comparable to
what we have at the moment. Show me a working and satisfying solution
and we can discuss it.
Juergen, you know such a solution is not yet set up
and
Laurent Godard wrote:
Hi Juergen
Our docbook filter hasn't the quality to use it in production, maybe
some volunteers are interested and like to work on improvements of the
filter.
We at inDesko wroked on ooo2dbk framework, i announced last year
you may find here in french for the most up to
Jürgen,
Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
We also thought about a transformation into the wiki but it is not yet
clear how we can extract the relevant info from the wiki to prepare a
usable guide (e.g. PDF) as we can it currently. Although a wiki would
have some advantages we currently prefer a differen
Hi Juergen
Our docbook filter hasn't the quality to use it in production, maybe
some volunteers are interested and like to work on improvements of the
filter.
We at inDesko wroked on ooo2dbk framework, i announced last year
you may find here in french for the most up to date version
http://ww
Le Vendredi 30 Juin 2006 09:29, Jürgen Schmidt a écrit :
> mmh not sure if you can help at the moment. That we will open source the
> guide is as likely as not (everything else would be surprising for me).
> But we currently evaluating the format. The guide was transformed into
> solbook which is a
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
Juergen,
Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
we are currently evaluating if we can open source the guide. But i would
Can we help somehow?
mmh not sure if you can help at the moment. That we will open source the
guide is as likely as not (everything else would be
Juergen,
Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
we are currently evaluating if we can open source the guide. But i would
Can we help somehow?
Juergen
Kay
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Am Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 17:36 schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
> > Rene,
> >
> > Rene Engelhard wrote:
> >> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=37034
> > So, obviously the Dev.Guide is non-free. I wouldn't say that OOo is
> > non-free
Am Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 17:36 schrieb Jürgen Schmidt:
> Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
> > Rene,
> >
> > Rene Engelhard wrote:
> >> http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=37034
> > So, obviously the Dev.Guide is non-free. I wouldn't say that OOo is
> > non-free
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=37034
So, obviously the Dev.Guide is non-free. I wouldn't say that OOo is
non-free because of this. In this sense, Debian can obviously
redistribute the OOo SDK without the Dev
Rene,
that was a fast reply :-)
Rene Engelhard wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 15:34 schrieb Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg:
distributions (not me) don't ship db4.2 anymore so they need to maintain own
patches to use db4.3/4.4 which can't go upstream..
At least the numbering (minor upda
Am Donnerstag, 29. Juni 2006 15:34 schrieb Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg:
> > distributions (not me) don't ship db4.2 anymore so they need to
> > maintain own
> > patches to use db4.3/4.4 which can't go upstream..
> At least the numbering (minor update only) implies compatibil
Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=37034
So, obviously the Dev.Guide is non-free. I wouldn't say that OOo is
non-free because of this. In this sense, Debian can obviously
redistribute the OOo SDK without the Dev.Guide only.
That's what we do now but it
Am Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 18:17 schrieb Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg:
> Rene,
>
> Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > We are going to ship no version of Mozilla...
> No Mozilla at all? Neither Firefox nor Thunderbird etc.? Or are you
> talking about the suite only?
The "old" suite.
> >>> http://qa.
Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
We are going to ship no version of Mozilla...
No Mozilla at all? Neither Firefox nor Thunderbird etc.? Or are you
talking about the suite only?
http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=37034
So, obviously the Dev.Guide is non-free. I wouldn't say that OOo i
Hi Thorsten,
Thorsten Behrens wrote:
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
- - using non-free libraries like gpc
(thankfully now avoidable by --disable-gpc and using basegfxs stuff)
This is indeed ugly. Could basegfxs replace gpc completely?
This is mostly a questi
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> - - using non-free libraries like gpc
>> (thankfully now avoidable by --disable-gpc and using basegfxs stuff)
> This is indeed ugly. Could basegfxs replace gpc completely?
>
This is mostly a question of test coverage. Functionality
Hi Rene,
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 02:20:18PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> Am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 13:58 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 01:06:10PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > > Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > > > That is as getting all your software from Microsoft, o
Hi,
Am Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2006 10:52 schrieb Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg:
> Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > Yes, but then you still could have updated mozilla in-tree. it's still
> > 1.7.5 there. Also the handling of issue
> > http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=66338 was bad.
> You ar
Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
So, what are they saying that they do not update the older versions? Are
they backporting the fixes, or is Debian doing that?
There are not. There wasn't really firefox security updates except new
firefox releases with other stuff. Same with the "normal" Mozilla.
Do
Am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 13:58 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> Hi Rene,
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 01:06:10PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> > Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > > That is as getting all your software from Microsoft, one single
> > > "Distributor".
> >
> > This comparison is shit.
>
Hi Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
(Not to mention you renamed the packages so that they are not parallel
installable anymore with the official debs, but that's another matter)
This is unfortunate. But, we can not really know and check all distros
package
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Hi,
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
> >I cannot gurantee it. I wrote that mail in one go.
> So, I suggest that you reread your mails before pushing the send button.
> I do not have any tolerance for lazy mails (while I do not say that your
Hi Janne,
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 04:10:01PM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote:
> >On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 10:10:09AM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote:
> >> 2006/6/26, Éric Bischoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> [...]
> It's fine that OOo is relocatable, just rpm's usually arent, whereas stuff
> doing
> configure
Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
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Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
[...]
What I wanted to say with the introduction was that I tried to be polite
but as there was things you mentioned which are no-no for distributions
and you offended all Debian
Le Mardi 27 Juin 2006 14:14, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> > I did not know that. So that would be equivalent to a "make install"?
> > Where is that documented?
>
> There is some minimalistic info in the Hacking-guide in the wiki.
OK. Minimalistic info in some hackers guide.
On the other hand, "
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 10:10:09AM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote:
> 2006/6/26, Éric Bischoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 15:47, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit:
> >> > - OOo should not attempt to build its own packages, at least under
> >Linux.
> >> > Under Linux, that
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Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
[...]
What I wanted to say with the introduction was that I tried to be polite
but as there was things you mentioned which are no-no for distributions
and you offended all Debian users I needed to make clear I
Hi Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
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[ late answer, I needed time to *try* make my answer polite, sorry if that
doesn't happen all the time in this post, for the record I am one of the
two people making the Debian packages, currently the most active one o
Hi Jane,
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 10:10:09AM +0200, Janne Johansson wrote:
> 2006/6/26, Éric Bischoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 15:47, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit:
> >> > - OOo should not attempt to build its own packages, at least under
> >Linux.
> >> > Under Li
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 11:09:39AM +0200, Éric Bischoff wrote:
> Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 21:33, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> > ? The user doesn't have to bother. Either they use the packages provided
> > by $distribution or they take the packages from vanilla OOo.
> >
> > And the packagers who are
Am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 13:56 schrieb Christian Lohmaier:
> You shouldn't have made it polite, but instead should have tried to
> focus on the topic itself. (note that the thread is labeled with "packaging
> process"...)
And it already drifted away a bit.
> > In any case, it is a no-no for a L
Am Dienstag, 27. Juni 2006 13:26 schrieb Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg:
> > That's the distributions' issue.
> EXACTLY
No. It's not. You mean that it's a problem for *you*.
I mean outdated packages in a distribution is _at first_ a problem
of that *distri itself*. That real outdated packaegs
Hi Rene,
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 01:06:10PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
> Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> > That is as getting all your software from Microsoft, one single
> > "Distributor".
>
> This comparison is shit.
Starts great.
> > But on windows you can basically get every software from a
Hi *,
On Tue, Jun 27, 2006 at 01:02:58PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote:
>
> [ late answer, I needed time to *try* make my answer polite, sorry if that
> doesn't happen all the time in this post, for the record I am one of the
> two people making the Debian packages, currently the most active one of
Hi Rene,
Rene Engelhard wrote:
ROTL. Not everything the LSB says makes sense. The OOo build system
*has* support for building debs. Use this.
This unfortunately does not work for people not building their own OOo.
A while ago it was planned (->Martin H.: any news on this?) to provide
.debs fo
2006/6/27, Éric Bischoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Le Mardi 27 Juin 2006 10:10, Janne Johansson a écrit:
> > Any package maintainer listening here to confirm or denegate what I am
> > saying ? I used to work in a linux distribution, so I think I can
express
> > opinions on this topic, but some packag
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Hi,
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg wrote:
> >1) I think it just makes the life of OOo package maintainers in the Linux
> >distributions much harder. I suppose that they basically rpm-install the
> >OOo packages, and then repackage them. Or some m
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Christian Lohmaier wrote:
> That is as getting all your software from Microsoft, one single
> "Distributor".
This comparison is shit.
> But on windows you can basically get every software from any vendor. If
> it is labeled "runs on windows XP", you
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doesn't happen all the time in this post, for the record I am one of the
two people making the Debian packages, currently the most active one of
both ]
Kay Ramme - Sun Germany
Janne,
Janne Johansson wrote:
If not for those reasons, then for the reason that zillions of other
opensource products happen
to have a "unpack ; configure ; make ; make install" routine well built in
into the spines of us
builders.
In general, it shouldn't be to hard to support the "classic" L
Éric,
Éric Bischoff wrote:
No. I usually do my "make install"s as root, but that's not necessary. You can
"make install" to your home directory if you wish. There's a configure flag
named "--prefix" for that.
Did not know that, thanks.
And yes, I know that this is a sensitive topic to dis
Le Mardi 27 Juin 2006 10:10, Janne Johansson a écrit :
> > Any package maintainer listening here to confirm or denegate what I am
> > saying ? I used to work in a linux distribution, so I think I can express
> > opinions on this topic, but some package maintainers might see that
> > differently.
>
Le Mardi 27 Juin 2006 09:57, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit :
> > Yup. In my honest opinion, if you really want to build packages, it
> > should be done the regular way, on top of a "make install".
>
> That implicits, to be able to work as root on a dedicated machine, while
> only wantin
Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 21:33, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> ? The user doesn't have to bother. Either they use the packages provided
> by $distribution or they take the packages from vanilla OOo.
>
> And the packagers who are doing the packages for their distribution
> should know how to unpack som
2006/6/26, Éric Bischoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 15:47, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit:
> > - OOo should not attempt to build its own packages, at least under
Linux.
> > Under Linux, that's the distributions' work!
> > This problem is related to the "make instal
Éric,
Éric Bischoff wrote:
I - "Good" reasons
1) Suitability - Not all the Linux distributions follow the same purposes.
Some are for desktop users, some are for generic servers, some are for
specialized purposes like firewalls, application servers or clustering. Some
try to imitate Windows
Hi *,
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 08:51:23PM +0200, Éric Bischoff wrote:
> Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 20:19, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
> >
> > OOo as "vanilla" OOo doesn't have any external dependencies.
> > You don't need to install the rpms to repackage them.
> >
> > rpm2cpio & cpio or any of these a
Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 20:19, Christian Lohmaier a écrit :
>
> OOo as "vanilla" OOo doesn't have any external dependencies.
> You don't need to install the rpms to repackage them.
>
> rpm2cpio & cpio or any of these archivemanagers can extract all the
> files for you.
Yes. You can also install the
Hi Éric, *,
On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 06:25:17PM +0200, Éric Bischoff wrote:
> Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 17:40, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit :
> [...]
> > But, in the end, what is the difference between rpm-install and make
> > install (despite that some products may not be able to de-insta
Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 17:40, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit :
> > Okay, we have diverging opinions on this point ;-).
>
> Professional answer :-),
;-)
> I think I had implicitly the hope that you
> might be able to explain to me the motivations of the distributions, to
> always rebuil
Éric Bischoff wrote:
Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 15:47, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit :
- OOo should not attempt to build its own packages, at least under Linux.
Under Linux, that's the distributions' work!
This problem is related to the "make install" one.
In my opinion, OOo is showi
Le Lundi 26 Juin 2006 15:47, Kay Ramme - Sun Germany - Hamburg a écrit :
> > - OOo should not attempt to build its own packages, at least under Linux.
> > Under Linux, that's the distributions' work!
> > This problem is related to the "make install" one.
>
> In my opinion, OOo is showing the ri
* Andreas Schlüns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050405 08:48]:
> Hello Pierre-Andre!
Hello Andreas,
Firstly, thank-you for your answer which enlight my day ;-). In order to
try to help the following developpers trying to figure out how all this
work, I will try to "over-explain" the facts.
> The file "Ty
Hello Pierre-Andre!
Hello,
I wrote an xslt filter for OOo2.0, and have some problems to package it.
Under the previous versions of OpenOffice.org, I packaged the filter
as a "jar" file, so that I could import it in OpenOffice.org using the
box "Tools > Xml Filter Settings...", and then the "Open Pa
Hello,
I wrote an xslt filter for OOo2.0, and have some problems to package it.
Under the previous versions of OpenOffice.org, I packaged the filter
as a "jar" file, so that I could import it in OpenOffice.org using the
box "Tools > Xml Filter Settings...", and then the "Open Package..." dialog.
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