Re: 5.5 soon?

2016-07-14 Thread Robert Zeigler
I’m in favor of a transition release where we warn with the big bright warnings that in the next release, we’ll be switching to the jQuery infrastructure by default. I would also suggest adding a means of determining whether people are using the out-of-the-box prototype configuration and adding

Re: VOTE: Jochen Kemnade as PMC member

2015-02-27 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding) Robert GATAATGCTATTTCTTTAACGAA > On Feb 26, 2015, at 7:37 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > > If you haven't been noticing, Jochen has been putting in a lot of time on > Tapestry; closing bugs, leading discussions, and mentoring people on the > mailing list. He's been at it a

Re: [jira] [Comment Edited] (TAP5-2332) Optimize String concatenation performance

2014-05-22 Thread Robert Zeigler
I can see optionmodelimpl being a hotspot if it is being rendered on a page with many selects, or selects with many options since methods within will be invoked once per option. Robert GATAATGCTATTTCTTTAACGAA > On May 22, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Lance (JIRA)" wrote: > > >[ > https://is

Re: [jira] [Commented] (TAP5-2332) Get rid of String.format usage

2014-05-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
Was the profiling done in an app that was using the database in a realistic manner? I'd be surprised if string.format really matters all that much in a real-world scenario. And I'm not sure the I improvements in throughput posted by the original poster are enough to justify switching out the ent

Re: Wrong default types for validate/translate in AbstractTextField?

2014-05-16 Thread Robert Zeigler
Not a bug. Defaults are allowed to supply either a literal default or a binding. The binding's "get" will evaluate to an object of the proper type. In fact, if memory serves, when you supply a literal value, tapestry wraps that in a "literal binding" anyway, because under the hood, all of thos

Re: Issues with bulk-close-candidate label

2014-05-12 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 GATAATGCTATTTCTTTAACGAA > On May 12, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > > Well, obviously, we haven't managed the issue list very well, and it got a > bit out of control. > > I'm in favor of closing them; they've had over a year to sit and gather > attention. > > We have more

Re: Build failed in Jenkins: tapestry-trunk-freestyle #1204

2014-05-01 Thread Robert Zeigler
Not opposed to an upgrade to Java 8, but not sure 5.4 is the right time for it. 5.4 has been long-enough in coming that I feel it would be better to release 5.4, and use 5.5 as the java8 upgrade, possibly with a fairly short release time between 5.4 and 5.5. Basically, 5.5 could be “5.4 with jav

Re: VOTE: Tapestry 5.4-beta-1

2013-12-04 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding) On Dec 4, 2013, at 12/45:30 PM , Kalle Korhonen wrote: > Kalle Korhonen: +1 (non-binding) > > (It's a vote whether to create a tag to vote on - sure, I'll vote for that) > > > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > >> This is a vote, open to all commit

Re: [VOTE] Lance Semmens as a committer

2013-07-05 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding). Robert On Jul 3, 2013, at 7/32:43 PM , Kalle Korhonen wrote: > Lance Semmens (aka Lance Java) has been one of the most active members on > the user list for the past two years. I've personally committed a few > patches from him and he is the maintainer of tapestry-stitch ( >

Re: Cleaning up JIRA

2012-12-17 Thread Robert Zeigler
I think I can find some time over the course of this week to go through the list of tickets. Robert On Dec 17, 2012, at 12/178:31 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Well, we need some plan to tame the list. It's so cluttered that its hard > to find important things to work on. There's lots of du

Re: [VOTE] Massimo Lusetti as PMC member

2012-08-20 Thread Robert Zeigler
Robert Zeigler: +1 (non-binding) On Aug 20, 2012, at 8/201:30 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Massimo has clearly demonstrated all the requirements for being a PMC > member, and then some: he has been contributing code, bug fixes, and > documentation; he has been actively mentoring use

Re: @Override on interface methods

2012-06-28 Thread Robert Zeigler
But in the case of interfaces, if you've misspelled the method name, the compiler will complain that you haven't implemented the interface... That said, I'm not sold by the argument of "@Override is for overriding of concrete methods" since you can use @Override for overriding abstract methods.

Re: Steps to upgrade from Tapestry 3 to Tapestry 5

2012-05-30 Thread Robert Zeigler
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Re: Steps to upgrade from Tapestry 3 to Tapestry 5

2012-05-22 Thread Robert Zeigler
FWIW, I have run mixed T3/T5 apps. That's probably your best "upgrade" path: gradually convert your T3 pages & components to T5, meanwhile, run the side-by-side. Since T3 runs as a servlet and T5 as a servlet filter, they play together nicely. You have to do a little work to make them talk to e

assertions for argument checking

2012-02-23 Thread Robert Zeigler
Hm. Just noticed this: BeanModelSourceImpl.java: ... public BeanModel create(Class beanClass, boolean filterReadOnlyProperties, Messages messages) { assert beanClass != null; assert messages != null; ... Why are we using assertions to check the arguments? Even in java 6,assertions are

Re: Stop SOPA

2012-01-13 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1. Robert On Jan 13, 2012, at 1/1312:20 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > I would like to see the Tapestry home page "go black" on January 18th, > to show solidarity with everyone else who is opposed to this > legislation. > > I'm thinking of changing the landing page to be white on black, with

Re: Quarterly Report Now Due

2012-01-09 Thread Robert Zeigler
on, Jan 9, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Robert Zeigler > wrote: >> Is it worth including notes about 3rd party updates to 5.3 compatibility >> (chenille-kit, tynamo, etc.)? >> >> Robert >> >> On Jan 9, 2012, at 1/910:26 AM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: >> >>>

Re: Quarterly Report Now Due

2012-01-09 Thread Robert Zeigler
Is it worth including notes about 3rd party updates to 5.3 compatibility (chenille-kit, tynamo, etc.)? Robert On Jan 9, 2012, at 1/910:26 AM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > This is what I have so far: > > Tapestry is a component-based Java web framework that combines high > performance, extensibi

Re: Chenillekit for T5.3?

2011-12-13 Thread Robert Zeigler
That is not the right version. You want: http://svn.codehaus.org/chenillekit/trunk Robert On Dec 13, 2011, at 12/1312:36 PM , Paulo Ricardo Ribeiro wrote: > Hello Massimo, > > I have one question, > > the jira mentions the version: "1.3.0", but the sources that I've downloaded > (from here

service messages de-localization?

2011-11-01 Thread Robert Zeigler
Just curious about the decision to de-localize service exception messages in favor of hard-coded strings...? At least, that's what the recent spate of commits seem to do... Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapest

Re: [VOTE] 5.3 release candidate (lazy consensus)

2011-10-27 Thread Robert Zeigler
I would really love to get in some of the datepicker improvements that have been filed recently, but I won't have time for it in the next week or so, and definitely not this weekend,so they'll have to wait for 5.4! Robert On Oct 27, 2011, at 10/275:29 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > I think I

Re: svn commit: r1188655 - in /tapestry/tapestry5/trunk/tapestry-core/src: main/java/org/apache/tapestry5/internal/transform/ test/java/org/apache/tapestry5/integration/app1/ test/java/org/apache/tape

2011-10-25 Thread Robert Zeigler
Good catch! Committed now. Robert On Oct 25, 2011, at 10/258:53 AM , Dragan Sahpaski wrote: >> The @BindParameter annotation should support inherited - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org For additiona

Re: Datepicker issues

2011-10-19 Thread Robert Zeigler
No. The js library for tapx-datefield is LGPL'ed, so it cannot be distributed with the core tapestry release. That said, "too numerous to mention" isn't very helpful in improving the current default datepicker. Could you elaborate on at least a few of the problems you've encountered? I've used

Re: Suggested "small" changes in SymbolBingindFactory

2011-10-13 Thread Robert Zeigler
I've been thinking about this for a bit. I think I would rather see component default revamped more flexibly. For instance, if we had a sort of "ComponentDefaultProvider" service. This would be used by ParameterWorker to find a default binding for parameters. It would likely be a chain of comma

Re: Tapestry 5.3-beta-6 problems

2011-09-14 Thread Robert Zeigler
Please file an issue for at least the second issue (whitespace isn't ignored after expressions). That's definitely a regression, and caused by my recent changes to the expansion parsing. Robert On Sep 14, 2011, at 9/1410:14 AM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > These looks like legitimate issues to

Re: Alerts system... tests??

2011-09-12 Thread Robert Zeigler
Aha! That's why I missed them. :) Thanks... keep forgetting about the groovy tests! Robert On Sep 12, 2011, at 9/1212:48 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Robert Zeigler > wrote: >> I was looking into the alerts system, for 1633 (hard c

Alerts system... tests??

2011-09-12 Thread Robert Zeigler
I was looking into the alerts system, for 1633 (hard coded "Dismiss all" label). I found the "Alerts Demo" page, but I haven't been able to find any tests that use the Alerts Demo page...? Or any tests, period, of the alerts system, for that matter. I can't believe the alerts system would be ad

Re: Would it be possible (or desirable) to add a TapestryCoreServices Interface for 5.3 beta?

2011-08-24 Thread Robert Zeigler
Sure... in fact, it would be a fairly simple matter to create such a service and interface. Define your interface with whatever methods you want, then your implementation class injects the registry and gets the objects from the registry, or else injects the objects directly and returns them. I

Re: Palette and Checklist don't use contributed value encoder?

2011-08-20 Thread Robert Zeigler
Um... last time I checked, Grid, GridRows, and Loop all operate on lists of objects, so if this is the argument, then the philosophy is inconsistently applied. In fact, Grid makes it's determination based on the "row" parameter. And AjaxFormLoop /does/ provide a default value encoder (iff you'

Re: Palette and Checklist don't use contributed value encoder?

2011-08-19 Thread Robert Zeigler
On Aug 19, 2011, at 8/198:56 PM , Bob Harner wrote: > Does anyone know why half of the built-in Tapestry 5 components that > take an "encoder" parameter are NOT set up to be able to use a > "contributed" ValueEncoder (that is, one configured with > contributeValueEncoderSource() in AppModule clas

Re: Switching from log4j to logback

2011-08-18 Thread Robert Zeigler
We've discussed this in the past. The general consensus was that many users were using log4j, and it was better to leave that as the default. Either way you can exclude the logging dependency and substitute your favorite package. But it was a matter of which way would make more users exclude the

Re: Announcing Tapestry startup

2011-08-18 Thread Robert Zeigler
Such as (smslant*): __ __ /_ __/__ ___ ___ / /___ __ / __/ |_ / / / / _ `/ _ \/ -_|_- \ \/___/\/_/\/___/ \ \_\ /\___/ \/_/

Re: Vote: Tapestry 5.3 beta

2011-08-18 Thread Robert Zeigler
Robert Zeigler: +1 (non-binding) On Aug 18, 2011, at 8/1812:04 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > It seems like we're ready to switch to a beta release. This would > indicate that we should shift focus from major disruptive changes > towards filling in gaps and fixing bugs (and doc

Re: First Call : Beta

2011-08-18 Thread Robert Zeigler
If we go beta now, is that a feature freeze on trunk and the creation of a 5.4 branch for new features? That's what I would advocate, but... Robert On Aug 16, 2011, at 8/165:55 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Just seeing if there are any objections to starting a lazy-consensus > stability vote

Re: 5.3+ javascript changes

2011-08-17 Thread Robert Zeigler
Hm... not sure how complete it is yet. Right now, there's a mix of code still being defined/used in tapestry.js, as well as material in, eg, t5-spi.js. Eg: right now, t5-spi.js defines "T5.ajax.request", but it's not actually implemented, so the rest of the js is still using Tapestry.ajaxReques

Re: Question about FieldValidator

2011-08-16 Thread Robert Zeigler
Hm... that won't work b/c t:validate="required, min=prop:total" won't fly because the "prop" binding prefix would have to be at the beginning of the string... and specifying the validator as a String property won't work either, sadly (is there a JIRA for that?). You're going to need to create t

Re: [SUCCESS] Taha Hafeez as Tapestry Committer

2011-08-16 Thread Robert Zeigler
Close, but no dice! :) Robert On Aug 16, 2011, at 8/163:37 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Robert Zeigler > wrote: >> Hm... did my (non-binding) vote not make it to the list? > > Was it formatted as I requested? > >> >

Re: [SUCCESS] Taha Hafeez as Tapestry Committer

2011-08-16 Thread Robert Zeigler
Hm... did my (non-binding) vote not make it to the list? In any event, welcome, Taha! Robert On Aug 16, 2011, at 8/163:32 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: >> Taha has been quite active over the last several months blogging, >> evangali

Re: Test failing... anyone else?

2011-08-13 Thread Robert Zeigler
Since this failure just started being reported, it's likely that it relates to recent changes, probably the changes I made to fix tap5-1408 and Tap5-1409. I'll look into it. Robert GATAATGCTATTTCTTTAACGAA On Aug 13, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Massimo Lusetti wrote: > 2011/8/13 françois facon : >

Re: EmbeddedComponent Mixin: -1

2011-08-12 Thread Robert Zeigler
I disagree with your assessment of mixins. Mixins are primarily tied to the component lifecycle, not to specific component implementations. There are certainly some mixins that can't be universally applied (eg: they may assume that the component is a ClientElement which may or may not be true)

Re: [VOTE] Taha Hafeez as Tapestry Committer

2011-08-12 Thread Robert Zeigler
Taha's definitely been a great asset to the community. +1 (non-binding) Robert On Aug 12, 2011, at 8/1212:45 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Taha has been quite active over the last several months blogging, > evangalizing, mentoring on the mailing list, and doing all the other > things that c

Re: svn commit: r1157117 - in /tapestry/tapestry5/trunk: ./ tapestry-core/src/test/app1/ tapestry-core/src/test/java/org/apache/tapestry5/integration/app1/ tapestry-core/src/test/java/org/apache/tapes

2011-08-12 Thread Robert Zeigler
Aaand... I didn't mean to commit AjaxTests of FormFragmentExplicitVisibleBoundsDemo yet, either. *sigh* Not quite awake yet today, sorry. Robert On Aug 12, 2011, at 8/129:16 AM , robertdzeig...@apache.org wrote: > Author: robertdzeigler > Date: Fri Aug 12 14:16:03 2011 > New Revision: 1157117

Re: svn commit: r1156971 - in /tapestry/tapestry5/trunk: ./ tapestry-core/src/main/java/org/apache/tapestry5/internal/services/ tapestry-core/src/test/app1/ tapestry-core/src/test/java/org/apache/tape

2011-08-12 Thread Robert Zeigler
Whoops... didn't mean to commit that change, sorry. I hadn't yet downloaded 1.0-milestone-4 (or -3) and commented it out just to get the build running so I could finish the ticket. Robert On Aug 12, 2011, at 8/128:45 AM , Igor Drobiazko wrote: > This change is not needed as an upgrade to 1.0-

Re: Creating map using property expression

2011-08-08 Thread Robert Zeigler
I'll look into this. It may be that all of the tests that I wrote for it use component parameters, so I'll add one or more new tests using expansions and see what's going on. Pretty sure Howard's hunch is spot on. Robert On Aug 8, 2011, at 8/84:42 PM , Igor Drobiazko wrote: > The prop express

Re: Time for beta?

2011-07-28 Thread Robert Zeigler
One other thing I'd like to get into 5.3 is a fix for TAP5-1558 (more fine-grained control over when to be considered visible/invisible for form fragment). That might involve tweaking some js api's, which would probably be better done before beta. Robert On Jul 26, 2011, at 7/2611:20 AM , Howa

Re: Alternate template format?

2011-07-27 Thread Robert Zeigler
... Why? Don't get me wrong... YAML, etc. are great for some things, but... we're ultimately generating (x)html documents. I like the fact that the templates are xhtml. Even looking at an example of, eg, haml: #profile .left.column #date= print_date #address= current_user.address

Re: Time for beta?

2011-07-26 Thread Robert Zeigler
I've started looking at the date picker bugs (TAP5-1408, TAP5-1409). I'd like to get those resolved. There is a contributed "patch" that I'm not super happy with; some of the code changes are useable (the code for closing the picker), some not so much, and no tests. But I'd like to get those in

Re: Blackbird

2011-06-30 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1. I'd much rather just have the exceptions percolate up to the browser. Firefox (via Firebug) and Webkit-based browsers (native) both have fantastic javascript debugging capabilities*, and those capabilities are only ever hindered by blackbird. Robert * I've heard IE is getting better, too

5.2.6 svn tag

2011-06-30 Thread Robert Zeigler
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tapestry/tapestry5/tags/releases/5.2.6/ Looks like the maint-5-2 directory (and all subdirectories) was copied in to the tag, so there's a duplicate of every file in the tag: one at the right place, and one under maint-5-2. Reasonably certain that's not delibera

Re: [VOTE] Massimo Lusetti as Tapestry Committer

2011-06-29 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding) Robert On Jun 29, 2011, at 6/294:31 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Massimo has been quite active on the Tapestry mailing lists for quite > some time; he's also very involved in developer discussions and on the > JIRA. He's very keen on becoming a committer, focusing (at least >

Re: [VOTE] Change to Tapestry Version Numbering and Release Processes

2011-06-29 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding) Robert On Jun 29, 2011, at 6/292:03 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Tapestry versioning structure as currently implemented in problematic > for several reasons: > 1. We vote and release non-final artifacts, which goes against the > established model set by the board. > 2. We hav

Re: [DISCUSS] Proposal for New Versioning Procedures

2011-06-29 Thread Robert Zeigler
I was initially opposed to the "alpha, beta, final" naming, but after having a conversation with some tapestry developers yesterday who thought that 5.3.0 was a final/stable release (rather than an alpha, subject to, eg, api changes for new features, etc.) has convinced me otherwise. +1 Robert

Re: [DISCUSS] new release process (WAS: Re: A question of vocabulary: release vs. version vs. ???)

2011-06-24 Thread Robert Zeigler
I'm content with calling it 5.3.0. It's the first release on the 5.3 code base. Even calling something "final" is kinda weird, imo. Like, 5.2.5 was "final"...except we released 5.2.6... The only way to declare something final is retrospectively: look, we didn't make any more 5.0 releases; I g

Re: Backfixes for 5.2.6

2011-06-22 Thread Robert Zeigler
Yeah, sorry, I spoke too late. I'll get the fixes into trunk and then we can backport them from there, depending on need. Robert On Jun 22, 2011, at 6/226:16 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Robert Zeigler > wrote: >> I think it's fair

Re: Backfixes for 5.2.6

2011-06-22 Thread Robert Zeigler
I think it's fair to look at 1408 & 1409... they need to be fixed in trunk, as well, but it would be nice for them to be fixed for 5.2 users in the meantime. I looked over the revised date picker, but still evaluating; it'll be later tonight before I can make sure it's really correct. Also, TAP

Re: Build issues

2011-06-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
That's definitely been an issue for me. Not from the CLI, but trying to use, eg, intellij. Robert On Jun 21, 2011, at 6/217:25 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > I think one of the issue with our build is that we have a subproject, > "tapestry-annotations" that generates an artifact, > "org.apach

Re: Backfixes for 5.2.6

2011-06-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
the fix forward to 5.3? > > On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Robert Zeigler > wrote: >> It would be nice to get the form fragment issue I opened recently fixed, >> because you can't have nested form fragments without it. >> >> I'm planning on doing it,

Re: Backfixes for 5.2.6

2011-06-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
It would be nice to get the form fragment issue I opened recently fixed, because you can't have nested form fragments without it. I'm planning on doing it, but I've run into some snags with the gradle build locally that I'm trying to sort through. Robert On Jun 21, 2011, at 6/214:33 PM , Howa

5.2.5 form fragment

2011-06-17 Thread Robert Zeigler
Is there some reason why T5.2.5's form fragment event handlers for Tapestry.CHANGE_VISIBILITY_EVENT and Tapestry.HIDE_AND_REMOVE_EVENT don't call event.stop? Without that, the event continues to propagate and so you can't have nested form fragments, because making the inner fragment invisible wi

Re: [VOTE] Tapestry 5.3.0

2011-06-16 Thread Robert Zeigler
+0. I won't have time to properly evaluate the artifacts, but I've been using trunk in some personal projects and a release seems reasonable. Robert On Jun 15, 2011, at 6/158:57 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > I've created and uploaded a release of Tapestry 5.3.0, ready to be > voted upon. >

Bug in parameter processing + inheritance

2011-06-14 Thread Robert Zeigler
I'm still wrapping my head around the guts of the (new) transformation code, new ParameterWorker implementation, etc. However, it appears that we have a timing problem on the default parameter initialization when component inheritance is in play. Basically, the child-class parameters have their

Re: [VOTE] Bob Harner as Tapestry committer

2011-06-01 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding). Robert On Jun 1, 2011, at 6/16:57 AM , Ulrich Stärk wrote: > Bob has been extremely active contributing to our documentation and website > in the past. It's a > shame that we haven't made him a committer earlier ;) > > Vote to run for 72 hours. > > Ulrich Stärk: +1 (binding)

Re: svn commit: r1126839 - in /tapestry/tapestry5/trunk: pom.xml tapestry-core/pom.xml

2011-05-24 Thread Robert Zeigler
There's technically a plugin available for IntelliJ, although I found it faster/easier to use command-line gradle rather than the plugin. Robert On May 24, 2011, at 5/247:38 AM , Igor Drobiazko wrote: > As far as I know there is no plugin available that provides a comparable > functionality as

wiki editing?

2011-05-05 Thread Robert Zeigler
I was going to update the 5.3.0 release notes, but it appears I don't have permission to edit the wiki? CLA should already be on file since I'm a committer... userid: ongakugainochi. Robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr

PageRenderLinkSource.addParameter

2011-04-01 Thread Robert Zeigler
Is there some specific reason why addParameter is (String,String) rather than (String,Object)? Couldn't PageRenderLinkSource use ValueEncoderSource to encode the provided object to string automatically? Just thinking. Or maybe we keep the current implementation so a user can provide an exact s

Re: Tapestry subprojects (was: [jira] Commented: (TAP5-1421) Create a standard way to track messages to be presented to the user)

2011-01-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
Agreed. Especially when there are many modules, having a consistent release # for all compatible modules is a good thing. I suppose you could get somewhat complicated and do a "tapestry-hibernate-5.2.4.n". Which is compatible with 5.2.4 but allows sub projects to release updates independent of

Re: tapestry-cayenne library

2011-01-20 Thread Robert Zeigler
ore creating new sub-modules? Or is it a better > to ask forgiveness than permission thing? > > I'm for having more modules, in case that wasn't obvious before. > Possibly for experimental modules we could have a incubator project... > > > On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 3:40 P

tapestry-cayenne library

2011-01-20 Thread Robert Zeigler
The thread on tapestry modules got me thinking a bit... Awhile back, Kevin Menard and I started an integration library between tapestry and cayenne (http://cayenne.apache.org). I know Kevin was hoping this would eventually move to be an "official" tapestry module (rather than 3rd party), but I

Re: [jira] Commented: (TAP5-1421) Create a standard way to track messages to be presented to the user

2011-01-20 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 to leaner, lighter-weight modules, and a maven dependency that has all (almost?) of the tapestry modules as dependencies. Becomes easier to pick and choose at that point; you can explicitly include a small number of modules, or depend on tapestry-kitchensink and exclude a few pieces that you

Re: [jira] Commented: (TAP5-1421) Create a standard way to track messages to be presented to the user

2011-01-20 Thread Robert Zeigler
Also in favor of a separate tapestry subproject. The fact that there are multiple pieces (service(s), component(s), js, etc.) all coordinating together really makes it sound like this is appropriate as a standalone module, outside of core. Robert On Jan 20, 2011, at 1/202:44 PM , Thiago H. d

Re: Why log4j as a compile dep?

2011-01-18 Thread Robert Zeigler
Not a compile dependency, that I'm aware of. How many users start with the quickstart as a basis for new projects? If that's a large percentage, couldn't we move the log4j dependency declaration into the generated pom? Then it's even easier to change for people who want to change it, and remove

Re: Refactoring Release Notes Pages

2011-01-18 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1. Even having followed the transition between the various 5.2.x versions, it would be useful to have all of the changes/release notes for the version in a single place. Robert On Jan 18, 2011, at 1/1811:11 AM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > I'm starting to think that release notes would be mor

Re: Hudson w/ Gradle

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Zeigler
in it > is, especially w.r.t. creating releases. > > It also gets in the way of creating new subprojects. > > Maven is a sunk cost and you don't keep throwing resources at a sunk cost > just because its cost you in the past. > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Robert

Re: Hudson w/ Gradle

2011-01-07 Thread Robert Zeigler
I haven't used gradle. I'm sure it's wonderful. I'm sure it beats the heck out of using maven. But. Do we really need to change build methodology /again/? We have a build. It works. It's not always the nicest thing in the world to work with*, but it works. People are familiar with it. Too

Re: @Inject and Tapestry IoC

2010-12-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
r isn't required at runtime (if users dont need its > features)... if that's not > possible, then i'm slightly leaning to having a separate project > > On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 18:36, Robert Zeigler wrote: >> I'll offer a dissenting voice. :) I think it's not

Re: @Inject and Tapestry IoC

2010-12-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
I'll offer a dissenting voice. :) I think it's not onerous for people who want them to add a dependency, but adding them directly to IOC introduces a potentially unwanted dependency to people who have no interest in using them. The jar may be small, but a lot of all, inused jars adds up quickly

Re: [VOTE] Tapestry 5.2.4 as Stable Release

2010-12-15 Thread Robert Zeigler
Agreed. The vote wasn't on whether to release; 5.2.4 is released. The vote was to call 5.2.4 stable. I think it's pointless to call 5.2.4 GA if we know there's going to be a bug fix release 2 days later. It's saying: "Hi, here's a stable product. Except, we know it's not exactly stable in ev

Re: [VOTE] Tapestry 5.2.4 as Stable Release

2010-12-10 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding). I've been using 5.2.4 in several of my projects with no issues. Robert On Dec 10, 2010, at 12/1012:09 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Tapestry 5.2.4 has been out and available for a couple of weeks now and no > show-stopper bugs have been identified. I think it is time to decl

Re: Ready for 5.2.2?

2010-10-22 Thread Robert Zeigler
I'd rather wait one more week, with a corresponding reminder/push on the user list to encourage people to try out 5.2.1. I'm not sure how many people have really had a chance to "pound" the 5.2.1 release; I know I haven't. So I'd rather encourage people to do so and defer the release. I know we

Re: [jira] Commented: (TAP5-1287) Services do not reload even though they should

2010-10-01 Thread Robert Zeigler
True, but if you ever find that a "ReloadAware" service needs to be aware of "startupOnReload" or some such, then you either have to craft a new interface (confusing, since this interface is "ReloadAware"...) or add the method to this interface (yuck: not backwards compatible, and services that

Re: [VOTE] Josh Canfield as Committer

2010-09-02 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding) Robert On Sep 2, 2010, at 9/24:34 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Josh Canfield has been very active in the Tapestry community for quite > some time; he was an early evangalist for Tapestry 5 and has deployed > multiple Tapestry 5 applications. He's also been very active in the

Re: Another IllegalAccessError in 5.2 alpha [bug?]

2010-08-17 Thread Robert Zeigler
" >> is only for development and you will never override the FactoryDefault's >> value in ApplicationDefaults. >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 16, 2010 at 7:27 PM, Robert Zeigler wrote: >> >>> I love live service implementation reloading, and I would hat

Re: Another IllegalAccessError in 5.2 alpha [bug?]

2010-08-16 Thread Robert Zeigler
I love live service implementation reloading, and I would hate to have to explicitly enable it for every service I create. I'm in favor of the "global on/off switch" as proposed by, eg, Michal Gruca. I'm not sure if it would be feasible to have a global "off" and then an enableReloading() call

Re: Another IllegalAccessError in 5.2 alpha [bug?]

2010-08-11 Thread Robert Zeigler
Does: binder.bind(Interface.class, Implementation.class).preventReloading(); not do the trick? It's already disabled for services that use buildXXX since Tapestry won't know the implementation class of the service. Robert On Aug 11, 2010, at 8/115:40 PM , Thiago H. de Paula Figueiredo wrote:

Re: Another IllegalAccessError in 5.2 alpha [bug?]

2010-08-11 Thread Robert Zeigler
Is service construction really so expensive? After all, we're doing exactly that for page/component reloading (throw away all loaded pages/components if a change to any of them occur), and I suspect that pages and components are considerably more expensive to construct than services? Given that

Re: [VOTE] Tapestry 5.2.0

2010-08-08 Thread Robert Zeigler
+0 (non-binding). I've been using 5.2.0-SNAPSHOT with no issues, and enjoying it. Having some issues with a class not found exception (UpdateListener) when trying to use the maven artifacts, but this is most likely an error in my build, so +0. Robert On Aug 4, 2010, at 8/41:04 PM , Howard Lew

Re: Time for an alpha?

2010-07-27 Thread Robert Zeigler
I've been using for awhile now in several different projects of mine; no complaints here. Robert On Jul 27, 2010, at 7/273:03 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > I'm ready I think; just gathering pre-vote opinions. > > -- > Howard M. Lewis Ship > > Creator of Apache Tapestry > > The source for

Re: [VOTE] Committer status for Robin Komiwes

2010-07-14 Thread Robert Zeigler
Robert Zeigler: +1 (non-binding) On Jul 14, 2010, at 7/142:23 PM , Ulrich Stärk wrote: > Robin has continued to provide valuable contributions to Tapestry in the form > of a new logo, a slogan and two new website designs, one of which is > currently being integrated into our new we

Re: Service contributions via markers

2010-07-06 Thread Robert Zeigler
I just reread the e-mail and realized you were saying the exact opposite... that the contributions methods should be the superset of the services... whereas I was thinking it made sense for the service's markers to be a superset of the contribution's markers. But if you just changed the equals

Re: Service contributions via markers

2010-07-06 Thread Robert Zeigler
Does seem like that should be the case. Just considering contributions to services in TapestryModule, you would have to have @Core + any other markers to any contribution that you wanted to make by Marker. containsAll seems like a more sensible alternative, although I'm still thinking about wh

Re: [VOTE] Ulrich Stärk to Tapestry PMC

2010-06-21 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding) Robert On Jun 21, 2010, at 6/213:16 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > In case anyone's missed, Ulrich has been doing a stellar job of > organizing many different efforts within Tapestry of late; including > work on the new documentation system and the new logo. He's been doing > t

Re: New logo designs

2010-06-17 Thread Robert Zeigler
I'm definitely a #23 fan over #21, sorry Andreas. #23 feels more subtle to more, and #21 more awkward. Robert On Jun 16, 2010, at 6/165:22 PM , Andreas Andreou wrote: > on the other hand, i almost hate #23 - the rotated squares miss > stability and the unicorn appears as it's > ready to fall do

Re: [VOTE] remove inactive members from the PMC

2010-06-09 Thread Robert Zeigler
+0 (non-binding). I would still rather see individual votes for each PMC member rather than an aggregated vote. Robert On Jun 8, 2010, at 6/86:55 PM , Andreas Andreou wrote: > The vote is to remove the following inactive members > > David Solis > Kent Tong > Geoffrey Longman > Mind Bridge > P

Re: New Link Rewriting code (TAP5-954, TAP5-1042)

2010-06-02 Thread Robert Zeigler
In theory, it seems like this should be possible. Given how HLS has described the new system, the two systems should be orthogonal. It would be ugly, though, to have two systems. Still, I'm personally +1 in keeping the existing URLRewriting system, but deprecating for the 5.2-series release, a

Re: [DISCUSS] new documentation organization and versioning

2010-06-01 Thread Robert Zeigler
Other than having a branch (or separate diredtory) for 5.0 vs. 5.1 vs. 5.2, I don't see the approach of having separate documentation for each sub-release as being taxing. Quite the opposite: it seems to be that being sure to document when a feature was introduced, removed (String service id in

Re: [VOTE] remove inactive PMC members from the PMC

2010-05-31 Thread Robert Zeigler
-1 (non-binding). It may be messier/take longer, but I would prefer to vote on a case-by-case basis rather than lumping all of the "inactive" PMC members together. Robert On May 31, 2010, at 5/318:22 AM , Ulrich Stärk wrote: > The vote is to clean up the list of PMC members and remove the memb

Re: [DISCUSS] Remove auto-inject of String as service id

2010-05-24 Thread Robert Zeigler
Never used the feature, myself. Robert On May 21, 2010, at 5/212:56 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > One of the stumbling blocks people hit continually is injection into > services. Often people want to inject strings, say: > > public class MyServiceImpl implements MyService { > > public MySer

Re: [VOTE] Robin Komiwes as Tapestry Committer

2010-05-20 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding). Robert On May 19, 2010, at 5/198:41 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: > Robin has been very busy with a visible project (Wooki and its > spun-off libraries) and a ton of mentoring on the mailing lists. He's > definitely someone who can code, can mentor, and can evangelize. He's > s

Re: [VOTE] Igor Drobiazko as PMC Member

2010-05-11 Thread Robert Zeigler
+1 (non-binding). Robert On May 11, 2010, at 5/:12 AM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: Given the efforts that Igor has put into Tapestry, both within the code base, mentoring on the mailing list, and in book form, I think it's a terrible omission that he is not a PMC member. I think it is time t

Re: Time for a 5.2 release?

2010-05-04 Thread Robert Zeigler
d probably be fine to proceed as-is, although I suspect a lot of people use chenille-kit. Robert On May 4, 2010, at 5/43:59 PM , Howard Lewis Ship wrote: Point taken. How may 3rd party libraries do, in fact, have slashes in the virtual folder name? On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Robert Zeigle

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