Re: Clarification request: ECC subCAs under RSA Root

2021-03-12 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 12:01 AM pfuen...--- via dev-security-policy wrote: > > In summary, my understanding is that we can ignore that illustrative control > of the Webtrust Criteria and that the community is cool with these > subordinations of CAs with stronger keys (same or different algorith

Re: Intermediate common name ambiguous naming

2020-12-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 9:54 AM Matthew Thompson via dev-security-policy wrote: > > It's not ideal that Google Chrome now states "The connection to this site is > using a valid, trusted server certificate issued by R3" (desktop) and "Google > Chrome verified that R3 issued this website's certifi

Re: Policy 2.7.1:MRSP Issue #205: Require CAs to publish accepted methods for proving key compromise

2020-11-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 2:05 PM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > > So, perhaps now that we've had this conversation, and you've learned about > potentially illegitimate revocations are a thing, but that they were not > the thing I was worrying about and that you'd misunderstood, perhap

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-04 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 7:12 PM Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 04, 2020 at 08:42:03AM -0700, Mark Arnott via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > I was informed yesterday that I would have to replace just over 300 > > certificates in 5 days because my CA is required by rule

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-04 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On Sat, Jul 4, 2020 at 12:52 PM mark.arnott1--- via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > This is insane! > > Those 300 certificates are used to secure healthcare information system

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-03 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 9:18 AM Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:57 AM Peter Bowen wrote: >> >> While it may be viewed as best practice to have short lived responder >> certificates, it must not be viewed as a hard requirement for the BRs >>

Re: SECURITY RELEVANT FOR CAs: The curious case of the Dangerous Delegated Responder Cert

2020-07-03 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Ryan, I have read through this thread and am also somewhat perplexed. I want to be clear, I'm posting only for myself, as an individual, not on behalf of any current or former employers. On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 4:26 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 3:24 AM P

Re: Digicert issued certificate with let's encrypts public key

2020-05-17 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:18 PM Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy > writes: > > >Browsing crt.sh, I found this: https://crt.sh/?id=1902422627 > > > >It's a certificate for api.pillowz.kz with the public key

Re: Audit Letter Validation (ALV) on intermediate certs in CCADB

2019-12-21 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 9:23 AM Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:10 PM Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 14:12:46 -0800 > > Kathleen Wilson vi

Re: How Certificates are Verified by Firefox

2019-12-04 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Why not use OCSP? On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 3:52 PM Matthew Hardeman via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Not that anyone is presently doing or would do such a thing, but... > > Imagine a CA that wanted to offer up a user/browser tracking service to > their subsc

Re: INC8119596 Other | Entrust Certs and DHS

2019-11-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
ice Operations - Infrastructure Operations > > VA Office of Information and Technology, IT Operations and Services > > Mobile (571) 235-5277 > > > > > > > > *From:* Eric Mill > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 26, 2019 4:28 PM > *To:* Peter Bowen > *Cc:* Bowen,

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: INC8119596 Other | Entrust Certs and DHS

2019-11-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
a trusted CA, then the certificate is trusted. If you provide the full issuer name for the certificate you are referring to, then it might be possible to determine if you are actually on a government-only certificate or if you have some other issue. Thanks, Peter > > > > > *Fr

Re: INC8119596 Other | Entrust Certs and DHS

2019-11-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 1:08 PM O'Donnell, Derek via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > We have a customer at the VA who uses an Entrust root: > Issuer Entrust > > AIA: > http://nfitestweb.managed.entrust.com/AIA/CertsIssuedToNFIMediumSSPCA.p7c > > They are rep

Re: [FORGED] Re: Germany's cyber-security agency [BSI] recommends Firefox as most secure browser

2019-10-18 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 6:31 PM Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Paul Walsh via dev-security-policy > writes: > > >I have no evidence to prove what I’m about to say, but I *suspect* that > the > >people at BSI specified “EV” over the use of o

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-30 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:22 AM Kirk Hall via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I'll just reiterate my point and then drop the subject. EV certificate > subject information is used by anti-phishing services and browser phishing > filters, and it would be a los

Representing one's employer

2019-08-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
(forking this to a new subject) On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 5:54 PM Kirk Hall via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > What the heck does it mean when sometimes you say you are posting "in a > personal capacity" and sometimes you don't? To me, it always appears that

Re: DigiCert OCSP services returns 1 byte

2019-08-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 10:38 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 1:15 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > Thanks for posting this Curt. We investigated and po

Re: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 1:44 PM kirkhalloregon--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Some have responded there is no research saying EV sites have > significantly less phishing (and are therefore safer) than DV sites – Tim > has listed two studies that say ex

Re: Fwd: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 10:16 AM Jakob Bohm wrote: > On 14/08/2019 18:18, Peter Bowen wrote: > > On thing I've found really useful in working on user experience is to > > discuss things using problem & solution statements that show the before > and > > after.

Re: Fwd: Intent to Ship: Move Extended Validation Information out of the URL bar

2019-08-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Aug 13, 2019 at 4:24 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > A policy of switching from positive to negative indicators of security > differences is no justification to switch to NO indication. And it > certainly doesn't help user understand

Re: Disclosure and CP/CPS for Cross-Signed Roots

2019-07-18 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jul 18, 2019 at 11:40 AM Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Andrew Ayer filed two bugs yesterday that might be worthy of a bit > of discussion. They both appear to be in reference to root certificates > included in the Mozilla program tha

Re: Policy 2.7 Proposal: Exclude Policy Certification Authorities from EKU Requirement

2019-04-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
I support this, as long as Policy CAs meet the same operations standards and have the same issuance restrictions as root CAs. This would result in no real change to policy, as I assume roots not directly included in the Mozilla root store were already considered “roots” for this part of the policy.

Re: Applicability of SHA-1 Policy to Timestamping CAs

2019-03-22 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 22, 2019 at 11:51 AM Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I've been asked if the section 5.1.1 restrictions on SHA-1 issuance apply > to timestamping CAs. Specifically, does Mozilla policy apply to the > issuance of a SHA-1 CA certifica

Re: Pre-Incident Report - GoDaddy Serial Number Entropy

2019-03-14 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 4:33 AM Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 14/03/2019 01:09, Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy wrote: > > > I'd already asked previously whether any CA wanted to indicate publicly > that > > they were compliant wi

Re: EJBCA defaulting to 63 bit serial numbers

2019-03-11 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:00 AM Daymion Reynolds via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Glad you agree 64bit serial numbers can have no fixed bits, as a fixed bit > in a 64 bit serial number would result in less than 64 bits of entropy. If > you are going to fi

Re: EJBCA defaulting to 63 bit serial numbers

2019-03-08 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 7:55 PM Matthew Hardeman via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:49 PM Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > I consider that only a single CA has represented any ambiguity as being > > their explanation as to why the non-complia

Re: The current and future role of national CAs in the root program

2019-03-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 11:45 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Currently the Mozilla root program contains a large number of roots that > are apparently single-nation CA programs serving their local community > almost exclusively, including by

Re: DarkMatter Concerns

2019-03-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 12:09 AM Benjamin Gabriel via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > A fair and transparent public discussion requires full disclosure of each > participant's motivations and ultimate agenda. Whether in CABForum, or > Mozilla-dev-security-poli

Re: AW: Incident Report DFN-PKI: Non-IDNA2003 encoded international domain names

2019-01-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 10:40 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > I mean, it's using an ACE label. That's where Ballot 202 would have > clarified and required more explicit validation of the ACE labels to > address the SHOULD NOT from https://to

Re: AW: Incident Report DFN-PKI: Non-IDNA2003 encoded international domain names

2019-01-24 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:36 AM Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On 2019-01-24 15:41, Rob Stradling wrote: > > > > Here's an example cert containing the A-label in the SAN:dNSName and the > > U-label in the CN. (It was issued by Sectigo, known

Re: Incident Report DFN-PKI: Non-IDNA2003 encoded international domain names

2019-01-24 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 4:17 AM Buschart, Rufus via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Hello > > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > > Von: Hanno Böck > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 24. Januar 2019 12:36 > > > > On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:14:11 + Buschart, Rufus wr

Re: When should honest subscribers expect sudden (24 hours / 120 hours) revocations?

2018-12-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:43 PM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > So absent a bad CA, I wonder where there is a rule that subscribers > should be ready to quickly replace certificates due to actions far > outside their own control. Consider the

Re: Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 9:04 AM Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Thu, 27 Dec 2018 15:30:01 +0100 > Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > > The problem here is that the prohibition lies in a complex legal > > reading of multiple docum

Re: Underscore characters

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:53 PM thomas.gh.horn--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > As to why these certificates have to be revoked, you should see this the > other way round: as a very generous service of the community to you and > your customers! > > Ce

Re: Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 12:12 PM Wayne Thayer wrote: > On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 2:42 PM Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> In the discussion of how to handle certain certificates that no longer >> meet &

Re: Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 8:34 AM Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Thu, Dec 27, 2018 at 11:12 AM Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > > > Yes, you are consistently mischaracterizing everything I

Use cases of publicly-trusted certificates

2018-12-26 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
In the discussion of how to handle certain certificates that no longer meet CA/Browser Forum baseline requirements, Wayne asked for the "Reason that publicly-trusted certificates are in use" by the customers. This seems to imply that Mozilla has an opinion that the default should not be to use "pu

Re: Underscore characters

2018-12-18 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 6:52 PM Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > Ballot 202 failed. I’m not sure how it’s relevant other than to indicate > there was definite disagreement about whether underscores were permitted or > not. As previously mentio

Re: Re: Google Trust Services Root Inclusion Request

2018-09-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Richard, Unfortunately Gerv is no longer with us, so he cannot respond to this accusation. Having been involved in many discussions on m.d.s.p and with Gerv directly, I am very sure Gerv deeply owned the decisions on StartCom and WoSign. It was by no means Ryan telling Gerv or Mozilla what to do

Re: GoDaddy Revocations Due to a Variety of Issues

2018-07-26 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:08 PM Joanna Fox via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 9:39:04 PM UTC-7, Peter Bowen wrote: > > > *Total of 17 certificates issued in 2018 were revoked due to invalid > > >

Re: GoDaddy Revocations Due to a Variety of Issues

2018-07-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:39 PM Daymion Reynolds via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > The certificates were identified by analyzing results from both zlint and > certlint. We also verified all lint findings against current and past BRs. > We discovered multiple

Re: [FORGED] TeletexString

2018-07-08 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 2:34 PM Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 04:41:27PM -0400, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > > Is that because you believe it forbidden by spec, or simply unwise? > > It's because nobody implements the spec. Those the claim some > support for it are just broken. I have ye

TeletexString

2018-07-06 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
In reviewing a recent CA application, the question came up of what is allowed in a certificate in data encoded as "TeletexString" (which is also sometimes called T61String). Specifically, certlint will report an error if a TeletexString contains any characters not in the "Teletex Primary Set of Gr

Re: Bit encoding (AW: Policy 2.6 Proposal: Add prohibition on CA key generation to policy)

2018-05-15 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
I don't think that is true. Remember for OV/IV/EV certificates, the Subscriber is the natural person or Legal Entity identified in the certificate Subject. If the Subscriber is using the certificate on a CDN, it is probably better to have the CDN generate the key rather than the Subscriber. The

Re: c=US policy layer in development

2018-04-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
As far as I know, this has nothing to do with Mozilla policy. On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:28 PM westmail24--- via dev-security-policy < dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > If Mozilla develops an open product, then why are some discussions > unavailable to users even for reading? (I'm no

Re: Audits for new subCAs

2018-04-06 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 4:36 PM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> >> While Entrust happens to do this, as a relying party, I dislike frequent >> updates to CP/CPS d

Re: Audits for new subCAs

2018-03-26 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
e? > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Peter Bowen wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy >> wrote: >> > Recently I've received a few questions about audit requirements for >> > subordinate CAs newly iss

Re: Audits for new subCAs

2018-03-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:34 AM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > Recently I've received a few questions about audit requirements for > subordinate CAs newly issued from roots in our program. Mozilla policy > section 5.3.2 requires these to be disclosed "within a week of certificate

Re: Mozilla Security Blog re Symantec TLS Certs

2018-03-13 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Kai Engert via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 13.03.2018 15:35, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: >> >>> Are the DigiCert transition CAs, which are part of the exclusion list, >>> and which you say are used for "Managed Partner Infrastructure", >>> strict

Re: Mozilla Security Blog re Symantec TLS Certs

2018-03-13 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 7:19 AM, Kai Engert via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 13.03.2018 14:59, Ryan Sleevi wrote: >> the blog post says, the subCAs controlled by Apple and Google are the >> ONLY exceptions. >> >> However, the Mozilla Firefox code also treats certain DigiCert subCAs

Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:13 PM, timx84039--- via dev-security-policy > wrote: > >> >> Regarding to our investigation they were only able to send the private >> keys for those certificates where the CSR / private ke

Re: How do you handle mass revocation requests?

2018-02-28 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 9:37 AM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > Once we were alerted, the team kicked > off a debate that I wanted to bring to the CAB Forum. Basically, our > position is that resellers do not constitute subscribers under the Baseline > Requirement's definitions (Se

Re: TLS everywhere has a major flaw and needs refining to the page level.

2018-02-16 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Kevin Chadwick via dev-security-policy wrote: > > On that subject I think the chromium reported plan to label sites as > insecure should perhaps be revised to page insecured or something more > accurate? Given this group focused on Mozilla, it is likely out of sco

Re: DRAFT January 2018 CA Communication

2018-01-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Wayne Thayer wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 25, 2018 at 11:48 AM, Jonathan Rudenberg < >> jonat...@titanous.com> wrote: >> >>> This is a great improvement. I think we should also ask that any C

Re: Retirement of RSA-2048

2018-01-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 8:31 AM, James Burton via dev-security-policy wrote: > Approximate date of retirement of RSA-2048? This is a very broad question, as you don't specify the usage. If you look at the US National Institute of Standards and Technology's SP 800-57 part 1 rev 4 (http://nvlpubs.

Re: TLS-SNI-01 and compliance with BRs

2018-01-19 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Doug Beattie via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > Many CA’s haven’t complied with the Mozilla requirement to list the methods > they use (including Google btw), so it’s hard to tell which CAs are using > method 10. Of the CA CPSs I checked, only Symantec has m

Re: Updating Root Inclusion Criteria (organizations)

2018-01-17 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 11:49 AM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > 4. Selected company CAs for a handful of too-bit-to-ignore companies > that refuse to use a true public CA. This would currently probably > be Microsoft, Amazon and Google. These should be admitted only on > a te

Re: Updating Root Inclusion Criteria

2018-01-17 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 3:45 PM, Wayne Thayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > I would like to open a discussion about the criteria by which Mozilla > decides which CAs we should allow to apply for inclusion in our root store. > > Section 2.1 of Mozilla’s current Root Store Policy states: > > CAs

Re: Serial number length

2017-12-28 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Dec 28, 2017 at 10:24 PM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > After looking at some real certificates both in the browser and on crt.sh, I > have some followup questions on certificate serial numbers: > > 4. If the answers are yes, no, yes, why doesn't cablint flag > certificates

Re: Certificates with shared private keys by gaming software (EA origin, Blizzard battle.net)

2017-12-25 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Dec 25, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Adrian R. via dev-security-policy wrote: > since it's a webserver running on the local machine and is using that > certificate key/pair, i think that someone more capable than me can easily > extract the key from it. > > From my point of view as an observer it's

Re: Verisign signed speedport.ip ?

2017-12-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Dec 9, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Lewis Resmond via dev-security-policy wrote: > I was researching about some older routers by Telekom, and I found out that > some of them had SSL certificates for their (LAN) configuration interface, > issued by Verisign for the fake-domain "speedport.ip". > > Th

Re: Certificate with duplicate commonname

2017-10-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
This has been discussed previously and my recollection is that multiple CNs are allowed as long as each one has a single entry from the subjectAlternativeName extension. On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Hanno Böck via dev-security-policy wrote: > Hi, > > This certificate has a duplicate commonna

Re: Mozilla’s Plan for Symantec Roots

2017-10-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
are roots currently listed at https://ccadb-public.secure.force.com/mozilla/IncludedCACertificateReport) Thanks, Peter > -Original Message- > From: dev-security-policy > [mailto:dev-security-policy-bounces+jeremy.rowley=digicert.com@lists.mozilla > .org] On Behalf Of Peter Bo

Re: Mozilla’s Plan for Symantec Roots

2017-10-27 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:06 AM, Gervase Markham wrote: > On 16/10/17 20:22, Peter Bowen wrote: >> Will the new managed CAs, which will operated by DigiCert under >> CP/CPS/Audit independent from the current Symantec ones, also be >> included on the list of subCAs that will

Re: Mozilla’s Plan for Symantec Roots

2017-10-16 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:32 AM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy wrote: > As per previous discussions and > https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA:Symantec_Issues, a consensus proposal[0] was > reached among multiple browser makers for a graduated distrust of > Symantec roots. > > Here is Mozilla’s

Re: SSL.com root inclusion request

2017-10-12 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Andrew R. Whalley via dev-security-policy wrote: > I have reviewed SSLcom_CP_CPS_Version_1_2_1 and made the following notes: > > 1.3.2.1 > > "may contractually authorize the Subject of a specified Valid EV > Certificate to perform the RA function and authorize SSL.

Re: New Version Notification for draft-belyavskiy-certificate-limitation-policy-04.txt

2017-10-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:59 AM, Dmitry Belyavsky via dev-security-policy wrote: > Here is the new version of the draft updated according to the discussion on > mozilla-dev-security list. Given that RFC 5914 already defines a TrustAnchorList and TrustAnchorInfo object and that the Trust Anchor Li

Re: SecureTrust

2017-10-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 12:23 PM, David E. Ross via dev-security-policy wrote: > Somehow, I recall there had been a problem with the SecureTrust > Corporation certification authority. It was either a problem with one > or more of the root certificates or with the way the certification > authority

Re: DigiCert-Symantec Announcement

2017-09-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Sep 23, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Ryan Sleevi wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy > wrote: >> >> Ryan, >> >> As an existing Symantec customer, I'm not clear that this really >> addresses the challen

Re: DigiCert-Symantec Announcement

2017-09-22 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:22 AM, Nick Lamb via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Friday, 22 September 2017 05:01:03 UTC+1, Peter Bowen wrote: >> I realize this is somewhat more complex than what you, Ryan, or Jeremy >> proposed, but it the only way I see root pins working across bo

Re: DigiCert-Symantec Announcement

2017-09-21 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Sep 21, 2017 at 7:17 PM, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > I think we can divide the discussion into two parts, similar to the > previous mail: How to effectively transition Symantec customers with > minimum disruption, whether acting as the Managed CA or as the future > operato

Re: DigiCert-Symantec Announcement

2017-09-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > > The current end-state plan for root cross-signing is provided at > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1401384. The diagrams there show > all of the existing sub CAs along with the new Sub CAs and root sig

Re: Public trust of VISA's CA

2017-09-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 12:37 AM, Martin Rublik via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Alex Gaynor via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> https://crt.sh/mozilla-certvalidations?group=version&id=896972 is a very >> informative graph

Re: Public trust of VISA's CA

2017-09-19 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 8:12 AM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy wrote: > In https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1391087 , as part of > their comments on a report of BR-non-compliant certificate issuance, a > representative of VISA said the following: > > "Visa has been operating

Re: CAA Certificate Problem Report

2017-09-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Ayer wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 13:53:52 -0700 > Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy > wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Ayer >> wrote: >> > >> > drill is buggy and insecure. Obviously, such imp

Re: CAA Certificate Problem Report

2017-09-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Andrew Ayer wrote: > > drill is buggy and insecure. Obviously, such implementations can > be found. Note that drill is just a "debugging/query" tool, not a > resolver you would actually use in production. You'll find that the > production-grade resolver from that

Re: CAA Certificate Problem Report

2017-09-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Andrew Ayer wrote: > On Sat, 9 Sep 2017 08:49:01 -0700 > Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy > wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:57 AM, Jonathan Rudenberg >> wrote: >> > >> >> On Sep 9, 2017, at 06:19, Pet

Re: CAA Certificate Problem Report

2017-09-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sat, Sep 9, 2017 at 3:57 AM, Jonathan Rudenberg wrote: > >> On Sep 9, 2017, at 06:19, Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy >> wrote: >> >> In all three of these cases, the "domain's zone does not have a DNSSEC >> validation chain to the ICANN root&

Re: CAA Certificate Problem Report

2017-09-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
> Certificate 3 contains a single DNS identifier for > refused.caatestsuite-dnssec.com > Attempts to query the CAA record for this DNS name result in a REFUSED DNS > response. Since there is a DNSSEC validation chain from this zone to the > ICANN root, CAs are not permitted to treat the lookup fai

Re: CAs not compliant with CAA CP/CPS requirement

2017-09-08 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Sep 8, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Andrew Ayer via dev-security-policy wrote: > The BRs state: > > "Effective as of 8 September 2017, section 4.2 of a CA's Certificate > Policy and/or Certification Practice Statement (section 4.1 for CAs > still conforming to RFC 2527) SHALL state the CA's policy or

Re: BR compliance of legacy certs at root inclusion time

2017-08-20 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Ryan Sleevi via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:02 AM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy < > dev-security-policy@lists.mozilla.org> wrote: > >> Sometimes, CAs apply for inclusion with new, clean roots. Other times, >> CAs apply to incl

Re: SRVNames in name constraints

2017-08-15 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:01 AM, Jeremy Rowley wrote: > I realize use of underscore characters was been debated and explained at the > CAB Forum, but I think it's pretty evident (based on the certs issued and > responses to Ballot 202) that not all CAs believe certs for SRVNames are > prohibited.

Re: SRVNames in name constraints

2017-08-15 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 4:20 AM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 06/07/17 16:56, Ryan Sleevi wrote: >> Relevant to this group, id-kp-serverAuth (and perhaps id-kp-clientAuth) > > So what do we do? There are loads of "name-constrained" certs out there > with id-kp-serverAuth but

Re: 2017.08.10 Let's Encrypt Unicode Normalization Compliance Incident

2017-08-13 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 5:59 PM, Matt Palmer via dev-security-policy wrote: > On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 06:32:11PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy > wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 11, 2017 at 11:48:50AM -0400, Ryan Sleevi via >> dev-security-policy wrote: >> > >> > Could you expand on what you m

Re: Certificates with reserved IP addresses

2017-08-12 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Congratulations on finding something not caught by certlint. It turns out that cabtlint does zero checks for reserved IPs. Something else for my TODO list. On Sat, Aug 12, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Jonathan Rudenberg via dev-security-policy wrote: > Baseline Requirements section 7.1.4.2.1 prohibits ipAd

Re: Certificates with improperly normalized IDNs

2017-08-11 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Jonathan Rudenberg via dev-security-policy wrote: > RFC 5280 section 7.2 and the associated IDNA RFC requires that > Internationalized Domain Names are normalized before encoding to punycode. > > Let’s Encrypt appears to have issued at least three certificates tha

Re: Certificates with improperly normalized IDNs

2017-08-10 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 10/08/2017 22:22, Jonathan Rudenberg wrote: >> >> RFC 5280 section 7.2 and the associated IDNA RFC requires that >> Internationalized Domain Names are normalized before encoding to punycode. >> >> Let’s Encrypt appears

Re: Certificates with metadata-only subject fields

2017-08-09 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
The point of certlint was to help identify issues. While I appreciate it getting broad usage, I don't think pushing for revocation of every certificate that trips any of the Error level checks is productive. This reminds of me of people trawling a database of known vulnerabilities then reporting t

Re: Certificates with invalidly long serial numbers

2017-08-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
(inserted missed word; off to get coffee now) On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Peter Bowen wrote: > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Franck Leroy via dev-security-policy > wrote: >> Hello >> >> I checked only one but I think they are all the same. >> >> The i

Re: Certificates with invalidly long serial numbers

2017-08-07 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:53 AM, Franck Leroy via dev-security-policy wrote: > Hello > > I checked only one but I think they are all the same. > > The integer value of the serial number is 20 octets, but when encoded into > DER a starting 00 may be necessary to mark the integer as a positive valu

Re: DigiCert-Symantec Announcement

2017-08-02 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Peter Gutmann via dev-security-policy wrote: > Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy > writes: > >>Today, DigiCert and Symantec announced that DigiCert is acquiring the >>Symantec CA assets, including the infrastructure, personnel, roots, and >>platforms. > > I re

Re: DigiCert-Symantec Announcement

2017-08-02 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jeremy Rowley via dev-security-policy wrote: > Today, DigiCert and Symantec announced that DigiCert is acquiring the > Symantec CA assets, including the infrastructure, personnel, roots, and > platforms. At the same time, DigiCert signed a Sub CA agreement wherein

Re: Final Decision by Google on Symantec

2017-07-31 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 7:17 AM, Jakob Bohm via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 31/07/2017 16:06, Gervase Markham wrote: >> >> On 31/07/17 15:00, Jakob Bohm wrote: >>> >>> - Due to current Mozilla implementation bugs, >> >> >> Reference, please? >> > > I am referring to the fact that EV-trust is c

Re: Final Decision by Google on Symantec

2017-07-29 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 11:14 PM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy wrote: > Google have made a final decision on the various dates they plan to > implement as part of the consensus plan in the Symantec matter. The > message from blink-dev is included below. > [...] > > We now have two choic

Re: [EXT] Symantec Update on SubCA Proposal

2017-07-21 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Steve, I think this level of public detail is very helpful when it comes to understanding the proposal. On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 8:00 AM, Steve Medin via dev-security-policy wrote: > 1) December 1, 2017 is the earliest credible date that any RFP > respondent can provide the Managed CA solut

Re: WoSign new system passed Cure 53 system security audit

2017-07-13 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
Richard, I can only guess what Ryan is talking about as the report wasn't sent to this group, but it is possible that the system described could not meet the Baseline Requirements, as the BRs do require certain system designs. For example, two requirements are: "Require that each individual in a

Re: SRVNames in name constraints

2017-07-05 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:23 AM, Gervase Markham via dev-security-policy > wrote: > > On 03/07/17 17:44, Peter Bowen wrote: >> We still need to get the policy changed, even with the ballot. As >> written right now, all name constrained certificates are no longer &

Re: SRVNames in name constraints

2017-07-03 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
it'll be > passed by the time the Mozilla policy is updated. > > -Original Message- > From: dev-security-policy > [mailto:dev-security-policy-bounces+jeremy.rowley=digicert.com@lists.mozilla > .org] On Behalf Of Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy > Sent: Monday, July

SRVNames in name constraints

2017-07-03 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
In reviewing the Mozilla CA policy, I noticed one bug that is probably my fault. It says: "name constraints which do not allow Subject Alternative Names (SANs) of any of the following types: dNSName, iPAddress, SRVName, rfc822Name" SRVName is not yet allowed by the CA/Browser Forum Baseline Requ

Re: Unknown Intermediates

2017-06-23 Thread Peter Bowen via dev-security-policy
On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 6:17 AM, Rob Stradling via dev-security-policy wrote: > On 23/06/17 14:10, Kurt Roeckx via dev-security-policy wrote: >> >> On 2017-06-23 14:59, Rob Stradling wrote: >>> >>> Reasons: >>>- Some are only trusted by the old Adobe CDS program. >>>- Some are only trusted

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