Re: GRUB2 rebase (from 2.06 to 2.12) landing soon on rawhide

2024-07-18 Thread Leo Sandoval
mpleting the work of > > > rebasing/reviewing/testing current rawhide patches, from GRUB2 2.06 to > > > 2.12, so at > > > some point in the near future these would land finally into rawhide. > Once > > > everything is in place, we would like y

Re: GRUB2 rebase (from 2.06 to 2.12) landing soon on rawhide

2024-07-10 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 11:02:57AM GMT, Andrea Bolognani wrote: > On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:57:42AM GMT, Leo Sandoval wrote: > > Hi team, > > > > We (the Red Hat bootloader team) are completing the work of > > rebasing/reviewing/testing current rawhide patches, from

Re: GRUB2 rebase (from 2.06 to 2.12) landing soon on rawhide

2024-06-19 Thread Andrea Bolognani
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 10:57:42AM GMT, Leo Sandoval wrote: > Hi team, > > We (the Red Hat bootloader team) are completing the work of > rebasing/reviewing/testing current rawhide patches, from GRUB2 2.06 to > 2.12, so at > some point in the near future these would land finally

Re: GRUB2 rebase (from 2.06 to 2.12) landing soon on rawhide

2024-05-21 Thread Neal Gompa
On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 12:58 PM Leo Sandoval wrote: > > Hi team, > > We (the Red Hat bootloader team) are completing the work of > rebasing/reviewing/testing current rawhide patches, from GRUB2 2.06 to 2.12, > so at > some point in the near future these would land final

GRUB2 rebase (from 2.06 to 2.12) landing soon on rawhide

2024-05-21 Thread Leo Sandoval
Hi team, We (the Red Hat bootloader team) are completing the work of rebasing/reviewing/testing current rawhide patches, from GRUB2 2.06 to 2.12, so at some point in the near future these would land finally into rawhide. Once everything is in place, we would like your help to start testing

Re: The GRUB2 Bootloader – Installation and Configuration

2024-05-04 Thread Sérgio Basto
tation can be wrong https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/rawhide/system-administrators-guide/kernel-module-driver-configuration/Working_with_the_GRUB_2_Boot_Loader/#sec-grub2-reinstall_on_UEFI-Based_Machines > That’s really a challenge. You don’t describe what you did in detail. I did some notes,

Re: The GRUB2 Bootloader – Installation and Configuration

2024-05-03 Thread Peter Boy
omplete new installation, but use ANACONDA from the live image to replace btrfs by a LVM system reproducing your old LVM partitions as close as possible and use grub2 (maybe you have to use the everything net install medium). When the system boots, clone your LVM partitions (each partition separat

The GRUB2 Bootloader – Installation and Configuration

2024-05-03 Thread Sérgio Basto
) was that I need to run one time  'grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/efi/EFI/fedora/grub.cfg' . I think is wrong use grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/grub.cfg , like it is wrote on grub2 on a uefi system [2], should we fix it ? and the advice of boot with selinux=0 ? Best regards, [0] https

Xen F37 destroyed it, grub2 from Fedora 30 needed to rescue it

2023-10-17 Thread Marius Schwarz
ion starts at sector 63, as all installations of that time did My actual PC would be UEFI compatible, but it never got upgraded from bios boot to efi. (I tried before i downgraded, but that grub2-install complained about missing secure boot for whatever reason) == YESTERDAY == Because i wan

Re: Fun with GRUB2, BLS and Multiboot USB

2023-05-09 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, Apr 26, 2023, at 12:26 AM, Philip Rhoades via devel wrote: > People, > > LILO and SysLinux were simple and GRUB1 was straightforward - but by the > time GRUB2 came around I was long past configuring my own kernels and > hacking around at a lower level . . now I think,

Fun with GRUB2, BLS and Multiboot USB

2023-04-25 Thread Philip Rhoades via devel
People, LILO and SysLinux were simple and GRUB1 was straightforward - but by the time GRUB2 came around I was long past configuring my own kernels and hacking around at a lower level . . now I think, finally, I need to know more about how GRUB2 - works specifically with Fedoras 38

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-05-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, another experiment proposal for Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski: Zeroize the GPT of a copy of boot-grub2-f36.iso and adjust MBR partition 1. Do this in bash for the $'\x...' gestures: # Create the playground cp boot-grub2-f36.iso test.iso # Zeroize the main GPT dd if=/dev/zero bs=1

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-05-22 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > If test_oldlayout.iso does not boot, then i am quite clueless. Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > I'm afraid that this is the case. What a naughty machine. :)) I'll think about making a BIOS-only GRUB ISO, just for testing. (Am busy with finding out how to merge the two

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-05-21 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Hello, Thomas. Thanks for your patience. I would've gotten the results sooner, but life got in the way. On Tuesday, 26 April 2022 at 23:18, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > If test_oldlayout.iso does not boot, then i am quite clueless. I'm afraid that this is the case. I'll try to re-do the ISO

Re: F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Adam Williamson
> > > > == Summary == > > > Modify > > > [https://github.com/weldr/lorax/tree/master/share/templates.d/99-generic > > > lorax-generic-templates] to use GRUB2 when booting the boot.iso on > > > BIOS systems, instead of syslinux. Upstream syslinux d

Re: F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Brian C. Lane
hare/templates.d/99-generic > > lorax-generic-templates] to use GRUB2 when booting the boot.iso on > > BIOS systems, instead of syslinux. Upstream syslinux development is > > dead, and the Fedora maintainer would like to drop the package from > > the distribution. GRU

Re: F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Neal Gompa
oposals are publicly announced in order to receive > > community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved > > by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. > > > > == Summary == > > Modify > > [https://github.com/weldr/lorax/tree/master/shar

Re: F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Adam Williamson
posal will only be implemented if approved > by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. > > == Summary == > Modify > [https://github.com/weldr/lorax/tree/master/share/templates.d/99-generic > lorax-generic-templates] to use GRUB2 when booting the boot.iso on > BIOS sy

Re: F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Robbie Harwood
ted if approved > by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. > > == Summary == > Modify > [https://github.com/weldr/lorax/tree/master/share/templates.d/99-generic > lorax-generic-templates] to use GRUB2 when booting the boot.iso on > BIOS systems, instead of syslinux. Ups

Re: F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Steven A. Falco
community feedback. This proposal will only be implemented if approved by the Fedora Engineering Steering Committee. == Summary == Modify [https://github.com/weldr/lorax/tree/master/share/templates.d/99-generic lorax-generic-templates] to use GRUB2 when booting the boot.iso on BIOS systems, instead

F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Ben Cotton
Committee. == Summary == Modify [https://github.com/weldr/lorax/tree/master/share/templates.d/99-generic lorax-generic-templates] to use GRUB2 when booting the boot.iso on BIOS systems, instead of syslinux. Upstream syslinux development is dead, and the Fedora maintainer would like to drop

F37 proposal: BIOS boot.iso with GRUB2 (System-Wide Change proposal)

2022-05-13 Thread Ben Cotton
Committee. == Summary == Modify [https://github.com/weldr/lorax/tree/master/share/templates.d/99-generic lorax-generic-templates] to use GRUB2 when booting the boot.iso on BIOS systems, instead of syslinux. Upstream syslinux development is dead, and the Fedora maintainer would like to drop

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-27 Thread Thomas Schmitt
pecs protects it. ) I am somewhat astonished that no BIOS machine was encountered yet in the tests of boot-grub2-f36.iso which would refuse to boot with its pure GPT-marking MBR table but would boot if the boot/active flag is set somwhere in the MBR partition tab

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-26 Thread Neal Gompa
suffer from the yet unknown > particular demand of the Dell XPS 15 L502X. > > I am still pondering what to try next when the experiment results are in. > > If test_oldlayout.iso boots, then the next step would possibly to deface > the GPT of boot-grub2-f36.iso by changing the

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-26 Thread Thomas Schmitt
next when the experiment results are in. If test_oldlayout.iso boots, then the next step would possibly to deface the GPT of boot-grub2-f36.iso by changing the type of MBR partition 1 from 0xEE to 0x83 or 0x00. If that does not boot, then i would ask for setting the boot flag of partition 1. (These are not

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-26 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 10:43:39AM +0200, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > > i uploaded a new GNU xorriso development tarball for the next experiment > with the Dell XPS 15 L502X of Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski. I followed your instructions and confirmed that this method still works with qemu

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-23 Thread Thomas Schmitt
nt: # Extract the EFI partition dd if=boot-grub2-f36.iso bs=512 skip=1313268 count=20288 of=test_efi.img # Extract the MBR code dd if=boot-grub2-f36.iso bs=1 count=446 of=test_mbr.img # Pad MBR up to 32768 bytes, so that it overwrites the loaded system area dd if=/dev/zero

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-22 Thread Dusty Mabe
On 4/20/22 17:25, Thomas Schmitt wrote: > Hi, > Thanks Thomas for the reply. You've given us some good information to consider/pursue. Dusty ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-21 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > Whatever, if you want to try already now with the buggy result, It comes to me that the MBR signature will be missing too. So it won't be recognized by BIOS and its x86 code won't start. The signature could be inserted by echo $'\x55'$'\xAA' | dd of="$new_iso" conv=notrunc

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-21 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, i wrote: > > Does it boot with ubuntu-21.10-desktop-amd64.iso ? Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > It doesn't. Same error. > [...] > $ grub2-mkrescue -o output-mbr.iso --mbr-force-bootable minimal > gives me the "Operation System not found" BIOS error ag

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-20 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
ick. > > Building something nearer to the old ISO layout: [...] Unfortunately, that one doesn't boot. > -- > > If above boots on the Dell XPS 15 L502X, we should confirm that the MBR > boot/active trick is really,

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-20 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Dusty Mabe wrote: > Currently we use isohybrid [1] (also from syslinux package) to modify the > ISO to be able to be booted on a USB key. Would we be able to still get that > functionality without isohybrid from the syslinux package? Yes. The GRUB2 MBR code will get the equivalent

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-20 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
46 count=1 > > Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > No, it doesn't. Still getting "Operation System not found". > > A new firmware riddle. > > Does it boot with ubuntu-21.10-desktop-amd64.iso ? > (That's supposed to be pure GPT with the little extra MBR p

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-20 Thread Dusty Mabe
On 4/13/22 19:52, Brian C. Lane wrote: > A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) > > Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout > of the iso as described in his post: Hey Brian, thanks for sharing. Is this an effort to drop

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-20 Thread Łukasz Posadowski
https://postimg.cc/bD87J8tF Tested on old Dell r720 with bios boot. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-20 Thread Łukasz Posadowski
https://postimg.cc/bD87J8tF Booted on the old Dell r710 via classic bios. ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to devel-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct:

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
that the problem can be avoided. The riddle is to find out what does the trick. Building something nearer to the old ISO layout: new_iso=test_mjgappended.iso # Extract the EFI partition dd if=boot-grub2-f36.iso bs=512 skip=1313268 count=20288 of=test_efi.img # Extract the MBR code dd if=bo

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
to the grub-mkrescue > > > arguments. If we indeed face this bug, then a grub-mrescue ISO with EFI > > > equipment should not boot on the affected machine, unless this extra > > > option was given at production time. > > > > I'll try the grub2-mkrescue ISO ne

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-19 Thread Thomas Schmitt
ted BIOS machine until the dummy partition was recreated. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1899308 especially https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/1899308/comments/60 ) > I'll try the grub2-mkrescue ISO next. Once made with and once without extra option --mbr-force-bootab

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
ue ISO with EFI > > equipment should not boot on the affected machine, unless this extra > > option was given at production time. > > I'll try the grub2-mkrescue ISO next. And indeed, it doesn't boot. Same "Operation System not found" message. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
e added to the grub-mkrescue > arguments. If we indeed face this bug, then a grub-mrescue ISO with EFI > equipment should not boot on the affected machine, unless this extra > option was given at production time. I'll try the grub2-mkrescue ISO next. Regards, Dominik -- Fedora https:/

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 18 April 2022 at 19:00, Brian C. Lane wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 03:12:59PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski > wrote: > > I've tested your ISO with: > > > > - Dell XPS 15 L502X 8GB RAM (BIOS only) CD-R physical media > > > > Booted and started the installer reasonably fast

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-19 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
On Monday, 18 April 2022 at 04:41, John Reiser wrote: > > - Dell XPS 15 L502X 8GB RAM (BIOS only) CD-R physical media > > It would be very nice to run /sbin/dmidecode, which is on the .iso, > and report the "BIOS Information" section, such as: Here's mine: Handle 0x, DMI type 0, 24 bytes

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Brandon Nielsen via devel
On 4/15/22 5:06 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote: Hi, Initial test with a CD-R and an HP Compaq 8510w are mixed. It boots to GRUB, but it spins a long time blinking the HDD light displaying nothing but "Welcome to GRUB". It eventually spits out "failure reading sector 0x4f838 from 'hd31'." 'hd31'

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Geraldo Simião Kutz
. > > > An alternative to --mbr-force-bootable could be to offer a 16-byte file > for download together with the instructions to patch it into a pure and > specs conformant ISO with GPT. Of course, only if a 10 year old laptop > refuses to recognize the original ISO on USB stick. > >

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
file is named "dummy_mbr_part2.img" the patch instruction would be dd if=dummy_mbr_part2.img of=boot-grub2-f36.iso \ conv=notrunc bs=1 seek=462 count=16 - Ubuntu is testing this for you since about a year. :)

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 03:12:59PM +0200, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > I've tested your ISO with: > > - Dell XPS 15 L502X 8GB RAM (BIOS only) CD-R physical media > > Booted and started the installer reasonably fast > > - same machine USB media (written to whole device using dd) > >

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 5:17 AM Thomas Schmitt wrote: > > Hi, > > Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > > Dell XPS 15 L502X 8GB RAM (BIOS only) > > BIOS-only on a laptop might mean the firmware quirk which demands > to see the "boot/active" flag at some MBR partition table slot. > > See a

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread John Reiser
It would be very nice to run /sbin/dmidecode, which is on the .iso, and report the "BIOS Information" section, such as: Is the attached any use? In the attachment I see these interesting lines (snipped): = SMBIOS 3.0.0 present. BIOS Information Vendor: American Megatrends Inc.

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Philip Rhoades via devel
People, On 2022-04-18 12:41, John Reiser wrote: - Dell XPS 15 L502X 8GB RAM (BIOS only) CD-R physical media It would be very nice to run /sbin/dmidecode, which is on the .iso, and report the "BIOS Information" section, such as: Is the attached any use? Phil. = # dmidecode 3.3

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
Hi, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski wrote: > > > Dell XPS 15 L502X 8GB RAM (BIOS only) BIOS-only on a laptop might mean the firmware quirk which demands to see the "boot/active" flag at some MBR partition table slot. See a thread of grub-bug (and later grub-devel) from 2015/16

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
mewhat premature.) > > I wonder from where this message comes. Was it really "Operation system" > and not "Operating system" ? Yes, that's the exact message. It might be coming from BIOS. > In the cleartext strings of boot-grub2-f36.iso i find no matche

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-18 Thread Thomas Schmitt
quot;Operation system" and not "Operating system" ? In the cleartext strings of boot-grub2-f36.iso i find no matches for the two word string. Searching "peration" yields mostly lines with the word "Microsoft" which i assume stem from the EFI secure boot equipment. Searching for &qu

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-17 Thread John Reiser
- Dell XPS 15 L502X 8GB RAM (BIOS only) CD-R physical media It would be very nice to run /sbin/dmidecode, which is on the .iso, and report the "BIOS Information" section, such as: = # dmidecode 3.3 Getting SMBIOS data from sysfs. SMBIOS 2.5 present. 70 structures occupying 2511 bytes. Table

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-17 Thread Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
Hello, Brian. On Thursday, 14 April 2022 at 01:52, Brian C. Lane wrote: > A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) > > Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout > of the iso as described in his post: > > https://github.co

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-15 Thread Thomas Schmitt
trange for HDD as well as for CD-ROM. Do have that many ? If it's about the CD drive: 0x4f838 = 325688 would be in 2048-byte-block range of boot-grub2-f36.iso which has 333555 such blocks. The ISO 9660 filesystem data range ends at 328317. The rest is the appended EFI partition. If GRUB reports in

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-15 Thread Brandon Nielsen via devel
On 4/13/22 6:52 PM, Brian C. Lane wrote: A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout of the iso as described in his post: https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1226 And a Fedora 36 iso: https

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-14 Thread Brian C. Lane
On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 08:59:28PM +0200, Hans de Goede wrote: > Hi Brian, > > On 4/14/22 01:52, Brian C. Lane wrote: > > A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) > > > > Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-14 Thread John Reiser
https://bcl.fedorapeople.org/boot-grub2-f36.iso I installed successfully using physical CD-R and physical DVD+R on American Megatrends Inc version 1613 BIOS of 12/03/2008 running on Intel Core2 Duo (E8400, 3GHz, 8GB). The USB reade was LG Slim Portable DVD Writer GP50NB40 (August 2014

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-14 Thread Brian C. Lane
FWIW I've now added a commit that makes the same changes for livemedia-creator created isos and tested it with QEMU. Brian -- Brian C. Lane (PST8PDT) - weldr.io - lorax - parted - pykickstart ___ devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-14 Thread Hans de Goede
Hi Brian, On 4/14/22 01:52, Brian C. Lane wrote: > A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) > > Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout > of the iso as described in his post: > > https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1226

Re: grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-13 Thread Neal Gompa
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 7:52 PM Brian C. Lane wrote: > > A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) > > Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout > of the iso as described in his post: > > https://github.com/

grub2 BIOS booting iso and code

2022-04-13 Thread Brian C. Lane
A huge thanks to Thomas Schmitt for posting xorrisofs arguments :) Here is a lorax PR switching to grub2 for BIOS and changing the layout of the iso as described in his post: https://github.com/weldr/lorax/pull/1226 And a Fedora 36 iso: https://bcl.fedorapeople.org/boot-grub2-f36.iso I've

Rawhide users with Secure Boot enabled: DO NOT UPDATE TO GRUB2 2.06-27!

2022-03-23 Thread Adam Williamson
Heads up for anyone using Rawhide with Secure Boot enabled: *do not* update to grub2 version 2.0.6-27! Due to a chain of unfortunate events, it is in today's Rawhide compose, but is not signed with the official Fedora SB keys and will not be trusted. If you update to it, your system will not boot

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread eedio
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/DKINRYGSNDNRSOY7KYLMJJXDGS4X45TU/ I understand that systemd.Boot is a great achievement and improvement. But GRUB was great too! And we just cannot throw 70% of GRUB users under the Fedora bus!

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 02:05:08PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > This sort of analogy is not helpful at all. That's not what I'm doing. > I'm just giving advice based on my own experience writing books and > articles on super complicated material, and having a fairly good grasp > of GRUB behavior

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Chris Murphy
s > > > to be maintained or it > > > goes stale again. So when in doubt, just say no and don't document it" > > > > > > Then goes on to make a strong argument! > > > > > If you do not like it, don't use it. Campaign your replacement > &

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Chris Murphy
" > > > > Then goes on to make a strong argument! > > > If you do not like it, don't use it. Campaign your replacement > of choice and see if you can make it get adopted and grub2 retired. > Campaigning against it being documented is pushing to have it ca

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 7:02 AM e wrote: > > On Thu, 27 May 2021 12:54:31 +0200 astoundingly, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrote: > > > On 27.05.2021 12:30, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > > > Support for other OS for those who like/need to dualboot? > > > > Yes. For example you can press "W" to

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread e
On Thu, 27 May 2021 12:54:31 +0200 astoundingly, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > On 27.05.2021 12:30, Mauricio Tavares wrote: > > Support for other OS for those who like/need to dualboot? > > Yes. For example you can press "W" to start Windows directly. > > Also native UEFI Boot allows

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 27.05.2021 12:30, Mauricio Tavares wrote: Support for other OS for those who like/need to dualboot? Yes. For example you can press "W" to start Windows directly. Also native UEFI Boot allows multiple bootloaders. Cutting date for hardware that supports it? All hardware with UEFI

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Mauricio Tavares
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 6:27 AM Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 27.05.2021 12:13, Sérgio Basto wrote: > > why systemd-boot is better ? > > 1. Not a bootloader. > 2. Very simple and clean. > 3. Starts Linux kernel directly with EFIStub without any bootloaders. > 4. Can be used with

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 27.05.2021 12:13, Sérgio Basto wrote: why systemd-boot is better ? 1. Not a bootloader. 2. Very simple and clean. 3. Starts Linux kernel directly with EFIStub without any bootloaders. 4. Can be used with XBOOTLDR[1] on any FS, supported by your hardware[2]. 5. Has full BLS support. Links:

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Sérgio Basto
On Thu, 2021-05-27 at 11:49 +0200, e wrote: > sounds unintuitive, but he just speaks truth to power: > > https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs/issue/352#comment-734630 > > "I think the GRUB stuff is so esoteric, so conditional and overly > complicated, that we shouldn't > explain it.

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Mauricio Tavares
our replacement of choice and see if you can make it get adopted and grub2 retired. Campaigning against it being documented is pushing to have it cancel cultured. There is nobody putting a gun on the head of those documenting it; it is open source maintained by volunteers. __

Re: Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread Vitaly Zaitsev via devel
On 27.05.2021 11:49, e wrote: "I think the GRUB stuff is so esoteric, so conditional and overly complicated, that we shouldn't explain it. Explaining it will take a lot of resources, and then it has to be maintained or it goes stale again. So when in doubt, just say no and don't document it"

Just say "No!" and do not document GRUB2 anymore!

2021-05-27 Thread e
sounds unintuitive, but he just speaks truth to power: https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/quick-docs/issue/352#comment-734630 "I think the GRUB stuff is so esoteric, so conditional and overly complicated, that we shouldn't explain it. Explaining it will take a lot of resources, and then it has to be

Re: Grub2 patches in Fedora

2021-02-05 Thread Marius Schwarz
Am 05.02.21 um 15:03 schrieb Marek Marczykowski-Górecki: I know it's problematic when you run Fedora VM on non-fedora Xen host if you use pvgrub/pygrub - in that case it uses host's grub to parse guest grub.cfg and load the actual kernel. But I'm pretty sure there are other problematic cases

Re: Grub2 patches in Fedora

2021-02-05 Thread Peter Robinson
> What is the vision for grub2 package in Fedora versus upstream grub? The > huge amount of patches in Fedora's grub (279 at this time) makes it > basically a fork. And indeed many parts are incompatible with upstream > grub, like "increment" module, or BLS, just to n

Grub2 patches in Fedora

2021-02-05 Thread Marek Marczykowski-Górecki
Hi, What is the vision for grub2 package in Fedora versus upstream grub? The huge amount of patches in Fedora's grub (279 at this time) makes it basically a fork. And indeed many parts are incompatible with upstream grub, like "increment" module, or BLS, just to name a few. I

JFYI: grub2-efi problem and how to fix it.

2021-01-26 Thread Marius Schwarz
Hi, as there is a small problem with pinephones and grub2-efi, heres how to fix it: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1919907 Problem: [root@fedorapine boot]# rpm -U /var/cache/dnf/rawhide-135a69fc59e3201d/packages/grub2-efi-aa64-2.04-34.fc34.aarch64.rpm Fehler: Entpacken des

regression: Xen boot entries ask for non-exisiting grub2 module2.mod

2020-09-11 Thread PGNet Dev
c32.x86_64 xen-libs-4.13.1-4.fc32.x86_64 xen-licenses-4.13.1-4.fc32.x86_64 xen-runtime-4.13.1-4.fc32.x86_64 rpm -qa | grep grub grub2-common-2.04-21.fc32.noarch grub2-efi-x64-2.04-21.fc32.x86_64 grub2-efi-x

Re: Does grub2-pc do anything on an EFI system?

2019-10-26 Thread Richard Shaw
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 8:33 AM Javier Martinez Canillas < jav...@dowhile0.org> wrote: > Hello Richard, > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 1:23 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > I removed it from my system and I'm about to reboot :) > > Yes, it's OK to remove the grub2-pc packa

Re: Does grub2-pc do anything on an EFI system?

2019-10-26 Thread Javier Martinez Canillas
Hello Richard, On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 1:23 PM Richard Shaw wrote: > > The grub2-pc package doesn't seem to do anything except provide a broken link > in /etc to grub2.cfg... > You are correct, the package is only needed for legacy BIOS installs. There was a bug in Anaconda that

Does grub2-pc do anything on an EFI system?

2019-10-26 Thread Richard Shaw
The grub2-pc package doesn't seem to do anything except provide a broken link in /etc to grub2.cfg... ll /etc/grub2.cfg lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 22 May 20 12:19 /etc/grub2.cfg -> ../boot/grub2/grub.cfg The /boot/grub2/grub.cfg must be a %ghost entry in the rpm as the file doesn't actually ex

Re: F31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Include several modules in the EFI build of Grub2 for security use-cases

2019-07-14 Thread Benjamin Doron
Hi all, Change author here. I think that everything is on-track now. Sorry I hadn't seen any of these messages before, there's a newer post over here (https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/L64OGN7XWO7VQEUDKFB3IJ2HYUFTSPFA/) and I hadn't realised that

Re: Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Include several modules in the EFI build of Grub2 for security use-cases

2019-06-26 Thread Benjamin Doron
in the "verify" portion of the How To Test section for what is missing (So, this is definitely useful after F31's release, but can be convenient now too). Thanks. grub2-switch-to-verify: #!/bin/bash ## This, for now, is a holistic script. It assumes that we've either configured

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Include several modules in the EFI build of Grub2 for security use-cases

2019-06-10 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Include_security_modules_in_efi_Grub2 == Summary == Include Grub's "verify," "cryptodisk" and "luks" modules in grubx64.efi of the 'grub2-efi-x64' package. Note: Although the build process will automatically include explicit d

Fedora 31 Self-Contained Change proposal: Include several modules in the EFI build of Grub2 for security use-cases

2019-06-10 Thread Ben Cotton
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Include_security_modules_in_efi_Grub2 == Summary == Include Grub's "verify," "cryptodisk" and "luks" modules in grubx64.efi of the 'grub2-efi-x64' package. Note: Although the build process will automatically include explicit d

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-30 Thread Chris Murphy
> Install the bootloader files > > > > If you don't already have the relevant packages installed, do for > > > > Fedora 22 and later versions with DNF or with YUM for older Fedora > > > > releases: > > > > > > > > - dnf install grub2-efi s

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, May 30, 2019 at 10:39 AM Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2019-05-30 at 10:29 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Installing: > > grub2-efi-ia32 > > shim-x64 > > > > That is obviously wrong, it could never work. On x86_64 the original > > comman

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-30 Thread Adam Williamson
nstalled, do for > > > Fedora 22 and later versions with DNF or with YUM for older Fedora > > > releases: > > > > > > - dnf install grub2-efi shim > > > + dnf install grub2-efi-ia32 grub2-efi-x64 > > > - yum install grub2-efi shim > &g

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-30 Thread Adam Williamson
nstalled, do for > > > Fedora 22 and later versions with DNF or with YUM for older Fedora > > > releases: > > > > > > - dnf install grub2-efi shim > > > + dnf install grub2-efi-ia32 grub2-efi-x64 > > > - yum install grub2-efi shim > &g

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-30 Thread Chris Murphy
for older Fedora > > releases: > > > > - dnf install grub2-efi shim > > + dnf install grub2-efi-ia32 grub2-efi-x64 > > - yum install grub2-efi shim > > Uh. We *do* have users who don't use x86_64 arch... Right. And the original command works there. I think we ha

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-30 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 17:43 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:52 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I'd like to propose tiny correction for the Fedora wiki page about GRUB2 > > [1]. > > > > However I'm not confident enou

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-29 Thread Chris Murphy
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 5:52 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > > Hello, > > I'd like to propose tiny correction for the Fedora wiki page about GRUB2 [1]. > > However I'm not confident enought to edit it prior to any discussions, > so that's why I'm writing here. > > In t

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-29 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2019-05-29 at 13:50 +0200, Michal Schorm wrote: > Hello, > > I'd like to propose tiny correction for the Fedora wiki page about GRUB2 [1]. > > However I'm not confident enought to edit it prior to any discussions, > so that's why I'm writing here. > > In the

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-29 Thread Michal Schorm
> Be bold and just update the page... it's a wiki, so it keeps a change > history, and if someone else has a problem with what you wrote, they can > either update it or roll back the changes. You shouldn't ever feel like you > have to ask permission or have the details 100% correct before

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-29 Thread Jared K. Smith
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:01 AM Michal Schorm wrote: > However I'm not confident enought to edit it prior to any discussions, > so that's why I'm writing here. > Be bold and just update the page... it's a wiki, so it keeps a change history, and if someone else has a problem with what you wrote,

Re: Wiki page correction: GRUB2

2019-05-29 Thread Michal Schorm
Also, it's IMHO worth mentioning, a package 'grub2-pc-modules' is needed on BIOS systems in order to 'grub2-install' utility to work -- Michal Schorm Software Engineer Core Services - Databases Team Red Hat -- On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 1:50 PM Michal Schorm wrote: > > Hello, > &

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