Xserver and Display driver dependency?

2004-02-03 Thread shashank jogalekar
Hi all,   I was analyzing a Xserver crash on my SuSE system and found that it was because of xf4vnc hooking into xserver and display driver.   I tried to understand how xserver and display driver work with each other but confused a lot in it.   Can anybody explain me how they actually work and wh

Re: [Dri-devel] GL_VERSION 1.5 when indirect rendering?

2004-02-03 Thread Ian Romanick
Andreas Stenglein wrote: after setting LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 glxinfo shows OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 6.0 but doesnt show all extensions necessary for OpenGL 1.5 An application only checking for GL_VERSION 1.5 would probably fail. Any idea what would happen with libGL.so / libGLcore.a from

Re: PCI Express

2004-02-03 Thread Marc Aurele La France
On 3 Feb 2004, John Dennis wrote: > In a few months PCI Express (PCIE) will hit the streets. My > understanding is that some system vendors are building system boards > without any AGP slots. As far as I know that means only an old style PCI > graphics card will work (PCIE is fully compatible with

PCI Express

2004-02-03 Thread John Dennis
In a few months PCI Express (PCIE) will hit the streets. My understanding is that some system vendors are building system boards without any AGP slots. As far as I know that means only an old style PCI graphics card will work (PCIE is fully compatible with PCI), or a new PCIE card. Does anybody kno

Re: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Alexander Stohr
> Subject: *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed > It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300 > chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope? "full specifications" as the headline does say is more than just the register des

Re: Release Candidate #2 probs

2004-02-03 Thread David Dawes
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 11:06:20AM -0700, Terry R. Friedrichsen wrote: >Just FYI, I tried to build RC 2 from a Monday-night CVS checkout on an Alpha >FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE machine. > >The build fails, and there are lots of awful-looking warnings like: > > warning: function declaration isn't a proto

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ian Romanick
Mike A. Harris wrote: On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote: where is the docs for the VSA based cards (voodoo4/voodoo5)? I have been unable to locate them. In a chest in a basement at Nvidia somewhere, with a lock on it, behind a bunch of old filing cabinets, in a room at the end of a very

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:42:59PM +, Torgeir Veimo wrote: > > > > Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000 > > works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean > nothing > > but 011010111010110111) of a memory image. > > > > You could probably fig

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 12:21:07PM -0500, Michael Taylor wrote: > > > > AFAIK they don't answer developer relations requests anymore for open > > source folks. At least I've never had a request accepted, and I've been > > Does any developers here have access to specs for new-ish Matrox cards lik

Release Candidate #2 probs

2004-02-03 Thread Terry R. Friedrichsen
Just FYI, I tried to build RC 2 from a Monday-night CVS checkout on an Alpha FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE machine. The build fails, and there are lots of awful-looking warnings like: warning: function declaration isn't a prototype warning: no previous prototype for '' warning: overflow in impli

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Michael Taylor
Ryan Underwood wrote: > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:24:24AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >>> Matrox (82) >> >>None of Matrox's specs are public, but some where once avail >>under NDA. They no longer appear to be available from their >>private developer website, unless I am looking in the wrong

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Torgeir Veimo
On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 09:21 -0800, Tim Roberts wrote: > Knut J Bjuland wrote: > > > It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300 > > chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope? > > > Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Tim Roberts
Knut J Bjuland wrote: It is possible to gain the specs for a chip by discetion for i.e R300 chip or NV 30 chips with the right tools like a electon microscope? Absolutely not. That is comparable to figuring out how Windows 2000 works given nothing more than a printed binary dump (and I mean n

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Alex Deucher
--- Ryan Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > > > > > > > That's not entirely true.

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:24:24AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > >Matrox (82) > > None of Matrox's specs are public, but some where once avail > under NDA. They no longer appear to be available from their > private developer website, unless I am looking in the wrong > place. AFAIK they don

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 05:31:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > > > > > That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the > > > R300 specs under

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 09:21:53AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > > > That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the > > R300 specs under NDA. > > Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qu

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Ryan Underwood
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 04:41:07AM -0500, Mike A. Harris wrote: > > That's not entirely true... Some people do have /some/ of the > R300 specs under NDA. Is there some special circumstance you have to fall under to qualify for R300 specs? It seems there are a lot of people wishing they had the

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Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

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Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Craig Ringer
On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 19:19, Shaul Karl wrote: > As for the claim that some people might give up on buying > new hardware, creating a secondary market for his old hardware should > compensate for it because it should give him a bigger share of the market > for new hardware too. I've personally g

Re: About Xwrapper

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Mon, 2 Feb 2004, theoharis tsenis wrote: >Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 02:49:22 -0600 >From: theoharis tsenis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Xfree list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Subject: About Xwrapper > >Hi, > i am searching a way the Xwrapper to connect to kdm and

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote: >> Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what >> manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that: >> >> 1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP >> hardware. >> 2) Got themselves an X

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Ryan Underwood wrote: >> SMI (silicon motion) publishes full specs for their chips, however, I'm >> not sure you can find an agp card with an SMI chip on it. usually they >> are in notebooks and pdas. >> >> specs are also available for 3dfx chips. > >where is the docs for th

Re: Fall back drivers?

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Jerry Haltom wrote: >I've been thinking about how to make X more "userfriendly". > >Driver "nvidia,vesa" > >Is a line like this possible, or could it be a good suggestion to >implement? It would allow fallback from one driver to another in case >the first doesn't function. One

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Shaul Karl wrote: > Excluding Nvidia and ATI, for which I believe I know the answer, what >manufacturers I am likely to see on ebay that: > >1) Usually fully and freely publish the specifications of their AGP > hardware. The list of vendors that freely publish t

Re: [Linux-fbdev-devel] Re: [forum] Re: Announcement: Modification to the base XFree86(TM) license.

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Andrew C Aitchison wrote: >> Yeah, that would be rather problematic, but anyway, most of the things >> move from the XFree86 code to fbdev code, and most often, it is not code >> that is copied, but the register information and such. It is always >> easier to get specs if you

Re: how to build static XFree86/TinyX and Xlibs

2004-02-03 Thread Mike A. Harris
On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, [iso-8859-1] Suresh Chandra Mannava wrote: >Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 04:57:30 + (GMT) >From: "[iso-8859-1] Suresh Chandra Mannava" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 >Subject: how to build sta

Re: Manufacturers who fully disclosed specifications for agp cards?

2004-02-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 02, 2004 at 11:42:28AM -0600, Ryan Underwood wrote: > There are some 3dlabs and mga databooks floating around on the net but I > don't know if they are legal to obtain/link to. Well, there is documentation for 3Dlabs permedia2 floating around, and i believe it is legal. They were obtai