On 8/15/06, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Because in many cases the network we provide it with is not a single
> small world network (which is what it is designed for), but two loosely
> connected small world networks of different parameters.
It seems likely to me that interest in content will close
On 8/15/06, Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Because in many cases the network we provide it with is not a single
small world network (which is what it is designed for), but two loosely
connected small world networks of different parameters.
It seems likely to me that interest in co
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Stefan Gr?nberg wrote:
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> Or perhaps you dont have friends that runs/want to run a freenet node,
> then you would have world smalles darknet with 1 node.
This is the principal obstacle, I guess. I come from a computing sciences
background, have plenty of friends and acquaintances doing comp
>>- Decentralized and scalable
>>>>- Should lead to vastly better network topology
>>>>- We control it so we can take measures to make it more difficult to
>>>> corrupt
>>>>
>>>> Disadvantages? Relative to what people are using now - none that I
>>>> can think of.
>>>>
>>>> Some people may wish we lived in a fantasy world where everyone was
>>>> willing to go through the trouble of carefully establishing trusted
>>>> darknet connections, but we don't live in this world, and denying the
>>>> clear advantages of opennet to our userbase will not lead to that
>>>> fantasy.
>>>>
>>>> Ian.
>>>>
>>>> Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.
>>>> phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog
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> if you stick to darknet only and ppl only trade refs with their friends,
> then there wouldnt be a bigger darknet
> only a few hundered really small darknet with no content to very little
> content, the dark index on the main page
> would be useless from start since you are only connected to your
where everyone was
>> willing to go through the trouble of carefully establishing trusted
>> darknet connections, but we don't live in this world, and denying the
>> clear advantages of opennet to our userbase will not lead to that
>> fantasy.
>>
>> Ian.
>>
>> Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.
>> phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog
>>
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> I really don't understand all of this fretting and hand-wringing
> about opennet. Its basically nothing more than a vastly better way
> for people to do what they are already doing today with hideous (but
> regrettably necessary) kludges like #freenet-refs and http://refex.s-
> coding.nl/.
>
But
Ian Clarke wrote:
> I have had some complaints that the merchandise in the Freenet store
> at http://www.cafepress.com/freenetproject aren't cool enough, t-shirts
> should be black etc etc. If anyone would like to try their hand at some
> new stuff, please let me know.
Perhaps moving the exist
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On 15 Aug 2006, at 12:28, Matthew Toseland wrote: I'm not saying don't do opennet, I'm saying don't forget darknetI'm hardly likely to forget darknet after all the work I and others have put into it. You seem to view opennet as somehow being in competition with darknet, I see the two as being comp
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On 15 Aug 2006, at 12:17, Matthew Toseland wrote:On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 11:50:11AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote: I did, and you didn't respond to my point. Why do you want to force users to continue to use the current insecure, centralized, and hideously inconvenient opennet for a second longer than
to waiting for a simulation provided this
precondition doesn't become an excuse to procrastinate. Opennet must
be one of our highest priorities.
Ian.
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phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog
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Ian Clarke wrote:
I have had some complaints that the merchandise in the Freenet store
at http://www.cafepress.com/freenetproject aren't cool enough, t-shirts
should be black etc etc. If anyone would like to try their hand at some
new stuff, please let me know.
Perhaps moving the existing st
I have had some complaints that the merchandise in the Freenet store at http://www.cafepress.com/freenetproject aren't cool enough, t-shirts should be black etc etc. If anyone would like to try their hand at some new stuff, please let me know.Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Rev
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On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 11:52:58AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
>
> The opennet proposal is far from perfect, but there are measures that
> can be taken to make harvesting more difficult,
On 0.7 opennet, we won't send a reference after a successful request; we
will offer an extra stage for connect-
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 11:50:11AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> I did, and you didn't respond to my point. Why do you want to force
> users to continue to use the current insecure, centralized, and
> hideously inconvenient opennet for a second longer than a more
> secure, decentralized, and co
On Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 11:48:35AM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> >Secondly, it is entirely reasonable to expect that a true darknet
> >and an
> >opennet will be two separate small world networks, which have
> >completely
> >different properties. Requests on the darknet would benefit from
> >checki
On 15 Aug 2006, at 07:33, Jerome Flesch wrote:I really don't understand all of this fretting and hand-wringingabout opennet. Its basically nothing more than a vastly better wayfor people to do what they are already doing today with hideous (butregrettably necessary) kludges like #freenet-refs and
the issues of user convenience and actually achieving a small world
network topology, neither of which is provided by #freenet-refs or
the other forums you mention.
Ian.
Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.
phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog
I did, and you didn't respond to my point. Why do you want to force users to continue to use the current insecure, centralized, and hideously inconvenient opennet for a second longer than a more secure, decentralized, and convenient opennet option is available?Ian.On 15 Aug 2006, at 06:28, Matthew
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Secondly, it is entirely reasonable to expect that a true darknet and anopennet will be two separate small world networks, which have completelydifferent properties. Requests on the darknet would benefit fromchecking the darknet first, because data is often cached within thedarknet (due to related
et. Why do you want
most of our users to have to continue using it?
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Stefan Grönberg wrote:
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> Or perhaps you dont have friends that runs/want to run a freenet node,
> then you would have world smalles darknet with 1 node.
This is the principal obstacle, I guess. I come from a computing sciences
background, have plenty of friends and acquaintances doing comp
a 1-2 months ago, it was stated in #Freenet that ppl should trade with
friends only, or something similary like that,
just wanted to point that out.
Jerome Flesch wrote:
if you stick to darknet only and ppl only trade refs with their friends,
then there wouldnt be a bigger darknet
only
> if you stick to darknet only and ppl only trade refs with their friends,
> then there wouldnt be a bigger darknet
> only a few hundered really small darknet with no content to very little
> content, the dark index on the main page
> would be useless from start since you are only connected to your
if you stick to darknet only and ppl only trade refs with their
friends, then there wouldnt be a bigger darknet
only a few hundered really small darknet with no content to very little
content, the dark index on the main page
would be useless from start since you are only connected to your
frien
> I really don't understand all of this fretting and hand-wringing
> about opennet. Its basically nothing more than a vastly better way
> for people to do what they are already doing today with hideous (but
> regrettably necessary) kludges like #freenet-refs and http://refex.s-
> coding.nl/.
>
But
Read my reply to the other thread.
On Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 10:43:15PM -0700, Ian Clarke wrote:
> One point, to be clear, is that nothing here will prevent those that
> wish to only have their node talk to people they trust, from doing
> so. We are talking about opennet for those that want the
Firstly, I'm not talking about completely separating the two networks.
Please read the whole email before commenting on it.
Secondly, it is entirely reasonable to expect that a true darknet and an
opennet will be two separate small world networks, which have completely
different properties. Reques
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