Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-19 Thread JMRyan
torhu n...@spam.invalid wrote in news:iehd51$2gl...@digitalmars.com: On 16.12.2010 14:39, Justin Johansson wrote: Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent newsreader. I suppose the real problem is that almost noone cares about newsgroups, so don't expect any improvements in

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-18 Thread Gour
On Sat, 18 Dec 2010 05:24:14 +0100 torhu == torhu n...@spam.invalid wrote: torhu Thunderbird is pretty buggy, but I haven't found a good torhu replacement, at least not yet. Although I may be guilty of repeating myself, but I'll, again, recommend Claws-mail which serves as newsreader as well

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-18 Thread Nick Sabalausky
torhu n...@spam.invalid wrote in message news:iehd51$2gl...@digitalmars.com... Thunderbird is pretty buggy, but I haven't found a good replacement, at least not yet. I regularly experience to annoying dataloss bugs. The first is when TB messes up posts. This is easily fixed by making it

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-18 Thread sybrandy
- Thunderbird apparently has *data loss/corruption* issues, and yet it's very popular. - OE *doesn't* have data loss/corruption issues, and yet it's widely looked-down upon. So what's wrong with this picture? I've never used OE as, well, I preferred Thunderbird, however I've never experienced

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-18 Thread Nick Sabalausky
sybrandy sybra...@gmail.com wrote in message news:iej200$30n...@digitalmars.com... - Thunderbird apparently has *data loss/corruption* issues, and yet it's very popular. - OE *doesn't* have data loss/corruption issues, and yet it's widely looked-down upon. So what's wrong with this picture?

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-18 Thread torhu
On 18.12.2010 19:40, Nick Sabalausky wrote: torhun...@spam.invalid wrote in message news:iehd51$2gl...@digitalmars.com... [...] I don't mean to sound like an Outlook Express evangelist constantly banging an OE drum, but I've been using OE for years and never had any issues like that. Which

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Gour
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:41:05 -0800 Walter == Walter Bright wrote: Walter I prefer to have control over my email database, and not rely Walter on some remote server that may go dark at any moment, or that Walter may sell my email database to anyone. I agree...that's why I fetch my mail with

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Christopher Nicholson-Sauls
On 12/16/10 07:39, Justin Johansson wrote: Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent newsreader. My experience with Thunderbird is that it is not of a standard of distinction that one would hope for in 2010 coming 2011. For one thing, and perhaps this is a newsgroup server

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Justin Johansson
On 17/12/10 13:05, Walter Bright wrote: Nick Sabalausky wrote: but I found OE's annoyances to overall be somewhat less annoying than Thunderbird's. OE cannot back up or transfer its message database. That killed it for me. Email clients and newsgroup readers are different things. So while I

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Jeff Nowakowski
On 12/16/2010 08:39 AM, Justin Johansson wrote: Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent newsreader. In general I am happy with it. It has a couple of minor bugs or a feature missing that I want, but there's a lot that it does right. (Thanks to the person who recommended the

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Justin Johansson
On 18/12/10 13:41, Jeff Nowakowski wrote: On 12/16/2010 08:39 AM, Justin Johansson wrote: Aside from that issue, my experience with Thunderbird is that it is not particularly innovative in drawing my attention to the high-traffic topics apart from telling me that one-or-more responses are

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread torhu
On 16.12.2010 14:39, Justin Johansson wrote: Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent newsreader. My experience with Thunderbird is that it is not of a standard of distinction that one would hope for in 2010 coming 2011. I suppose the real problem is that almost noone cares

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Justin Johansson
On 18/12/10 15:24, torhu wrote: I suppose the real problem is that almost noone cares about newsgroups, I suspect you are right; newsgroups are probably considered by most developers as legacy media (not that legacy has to mean bad though) and accordingly any development for newsgroup

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Walter Bright
Justin Johansson wrote: Email clients and newsgroup readers are different things. So while I can understand that one would want to have control of their email message database (as in ease of backup/import/export etc), when it comes to newsgroup messages the repository is maintained by the

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-17 Thread Justin Johansson
On 18/12/10 17:08, Walter Bright wrote: Justin Johansson wrote: Email clients and newsgroup readers are different things. So while I can understand that one would want to have control of their email message database (as in ease of backup/import/export etc), when it comes to newsgroup messages

[OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Justin Johansson
Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent newsreader. My experience with Thunderbird is that it is not of a standard of distinction that one would hope for in 2010 coming 2011. For one thing, and perhaps this is a newsgroup server problem, but I doubt it, my Thunderbird client

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread CrypticMetaphor
I'm using Thunderbird, but it's pretty much the only newsreader I've ever had so can't really compare it with others. But I use the following extensions to improve my experience: QuoteCollapse: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/347/ Not directly related with newsreading but

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Justin Johansson nore...@jj.com wrote in message news:ied4th$2vn...@digitalmars.com... Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent newsreader. My experience with Thunderbird is that it is not of a standard of distinction that one would hope for in 2010 coming 2011. For one

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Gour
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:39:15 +1100 Justin == Justin Johansson wrote: Justin Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent Justin newsreader. I use Claws-mail as mailer, news reader, rss reader...and I'm more than happy with it. Sincerely, Gour -- Gour | Hlapicina, Croatia | GPG

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread sybrandy
I personally like it a lot, though I haven't tried any other news readers on Linux. I think the biggest reason I like it is the fact that it's the same regardless of what platform it's on and I also like the arrangement of the windows. Overall, I've been quite happy with it. Casey

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Justin Johansson
On 17/12/10 06:34, Gour wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010 00:39:15 +1100 Justin == Justin Johansson wrote: Justin Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent Justin newsreader. I use Claws-mail as mailer, news reader, rss reader...and I'm more than happy with it. Sincerely, Gour

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread piotrek
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:06:20 -0500, sybrandy wrote: I personally like it a lot, though I haven't tried any other news readers on Linux. I think the biggest reason I like it is the fact that it's the same regardless of what platform it's on and I also like the arrangement of the windows.

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Steven Schveighoffer
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 08:39:15 -0500, Justin Johansson nore...@jj.com wrote: Just wondering how others rate Thunderbird as a decent newsreader. My experience with Thunderbird is that it is not of a standard of distinction that one would hope for in 2010 coming 2011. For one thing, and

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
VIM users should be pretty psyched about this thing: http://danielchoi.com/software/vmail.html Although it doesn't seem to work for Windows yet so I haven't tested it myself. :/ On 12/16/10, piotrek star...@tlen.pl wrote: On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 15:06:20 -0500, sybrandy wrote: I personally like

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Lars T. Kyllingstad
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010 22:11:15 +0100, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: VIM users should be pretty psyched about this thing: http://danielchoi.com/software/vmail.html That looks pretty cool! But for some reason the web page calls it an interface to GMail, even though it seems to use IMAP. Can anyone

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: but I found OE's annoyances to overall be somewhat less annoying than Thunderbird's. OE cannot back up or transfer its message database. That killed it for me.

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:ieegkh$1mu...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky wrote: but I found OE's annoyances to overall be somewhat less annoying than Thunderbird's. OE cannot back up or transfer its message database. That killed it for me. Yea, that

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:ieegkh$1mu...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky wrote: but I found OE's annoyances to overall be somewhat less annoying than Thunderbird's. OE cannot back up or transfer its message database. That killed it

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Nick Sabalausky
Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:ieen8f$25s...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky wrote: Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote in message news:ieegkh$1mu...@digitalmars.com... Nick Sabalausky wrote: but I found OE's annoyances to overall be somewhat

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Walter Bright
Nick Sabalausky wrote: Oh, I thought you were saying that the whole problem was just the whole proprietary storage format and that there wasn't a way to migrate to/from another email program. It *is* possible to backup and restore OE's DB, it just doesn't have a simple option for it through

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Thursday 16 December 2010 21:37:11 Walter Bright wrote: Nick Sabalausky wrote: Oh, I thought you were saying that the whole problem was just the whole proprietary storage format and that there wasn't a way to migrate to/from another email program. It *is* possible to backup and restore

Re: [OT] Mozilla Thunderbird

2010-12-16 Thread Walter Bright
Jonathan M Davis wrote: Using IMAP solves the problem, since then the mail is safely on a server somewhere rather on your own computer. It also has the advantage of making it possible to sync state between machines. It does mean, however, that you have to be deal with an e-mail account which