On Sunday, 20 May 2012 at 14:57:21 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 07:59:49AM +0200, Paulo Pinto wrote:
[...]
One thing I hate is visiting customers which have UNIX
installations
configured with their default installs.
Depending on the operating system version, sometimes I feel
Am 20.05.2012 07:43, schrieb H. S. Teoh:
[...]
That said, some editors, like Sublime Text 2 (my current favorite)
have a vi mode that functions pretty closely to how vi does. It's
another way to ease your way into the vi mindset, as it were.
Personally, I know enough vi to get around but not
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 07:59:49AM +0200, Paulo Pinto wrote:
[...]
One thing I hate is visiting customers which have UNIX installations
configured with their default installs.
Depending on the operating system version, sometimes I feel like I am
back in 197x, with the original versions of
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 04:10:29AM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 01:28:32 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
You must be using Emacs with a GUI.
No, I told you I hate Emacs. :P
I've seen *other* people do it, and it's horribly slow.
Well, let's just say that Emacs and gui in a
Am 19.05.2012 04:15, schrieb Mehrdad:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 02:10:31 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
Worse yet, no way in hell that a command-line tool would tell you your
documentation is messed up. :P
I should submit a correction:
Nothing wrong with the command-line-ness per se -- it's just
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 06:47:48 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
One day it's bound to happen, though.
Yeah I'd heard about some similar stuff too, waiting to hear
about it.
Substitute length( with size( instead of just length with
size. Problem solved. :-)
Er, you missed the entire point
On 19.05.2012 3:03, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:08:26PM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 19:40:35 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
This is one of those things that makes Windows (l)users wonder how we
Unix people can stand using the shell all day -- their idea of shell
is
On 19/05/2012 00:51, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 01:21:56AM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 23:02:18 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I find IDEs more painful to use than scratching your nails on a
chalkboard. The inability of running an IDE over a remote SSH
session
On May 18, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Mehrdad wfunct...@hotmail.com wrote:
Yeah, imagine trying to name a method named getValue() to something else
(probably because you realized that's not a great name :P).
A HUGE time waster without refactoring tools, and last time I checked, no
text-based tool
On May 18, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Mehrdad wfunct...@hotmail.com wrote:
2. Okay, so that's clever. :P Now tell me what you do when you have dozens of
lines in your source file like
@property auto length() { return _range.length; }
and you want to rename the field 'length'? How do you
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 13:49:28 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 18, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Mehrdad wfunct...@hotmail.com
wrote:
2. Okay, so that's clever. :P Now tell me what you do when you
have dozens of lines in your source file like
@property auto length() { return _range.length; }
On May 19, 2012, at 7:00 AM, Paulo Pinto pj...@progtools.org wrote:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 13:49:28 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 18, 2012, at 7:10 PM, Mehrdad wfunct...@hotmail.com wrote:
2. Okay, so that's clever. :P Now tell me what you do when you have dozens
of lines in your source
Am 19.05.2012 15:35, schrieb Sean Kelly:
On May 18, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Mehrdadwfunct...@hotmail.com wrote:
Yeah, imagine trying to name a method named getValue() to something else
(probably because you realized that's not a great name :P).
A HUGE time waster without refactoring tools, and
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 19:28:44 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I like UNIX and the command line is invaluable for certain
tasks regardless of the operating system, but sometimes I
wonder if people realized that it is no longer 1970 and better
ways to develop software do exist.
…especially
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 09:45:20AM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 06:47:48 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
[...]
Substitute length( with size( instead of just length with
size. Problem solved. :-)
Er, you missed the entire point of my example. :\
Those were PROPERTIES. They
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 09:43:13PM +0200, David Nadlinger wrote:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 19:28:44 UTC, Paulo Pinto wrote:
I like UNIX and the command line is invaluable for certain tasks
regardless of the operating system, but sometimes I wonder if
people realized that it is no longer 1970
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 20:00:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Now that _is_ pretty cool.
:D yes!
See, the thing is, one of the reasons I like vim in spite of
its warts (yes it has warts, including what we're discussing
here about syntax trees transformations) is that it gives me a
_unified_
H. S. Teoh wrote:
But this unification is also its downfall: plain text, as the lowest
common denominator, also suffers from not being able to deal with syntax
trees in a meaningful way.
So what is needed is a way of plugging in arbitrary syntax tree parsers,
such that you can have a
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 20:58:40 UTC, Jérôme M. Berger
wrote:
You mean like Emacs' Semantic mode?
https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Semantic.html
O_O
On May 19, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Mehrdad wfunct...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 20:00:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Yikes! I highly recommend using plain vanilla vim, no GUI
Oh geez, that'll take a while lol. At least with GVim, I can discover the
command names through the
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 04:53:32PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 19, 2012, at 1:35 PM, Mehrdad wfunct...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 20:00:03 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Yikes! I highly recommend using plain vanilla vim, no GUI
Oh geez, that'll take a while lol. At
On May 17, 2012, at 1:01 PM, Mehrdad wrote:
From looking at Phobos, I'm understanding that the main difference between
the implementation of various features for Posix systems as compared to
Windows systems (aside from the API, etc.) is that Windows tends to do a lot
of stuff *before* the
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support, but it's really pretty
terrible and Druntime doesn't have declarations for the Posix Windows
interface anyway.
Does
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 16:37:31 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:
I'd say that Windows tends to do more for you, while Posix
provides lower-level APIs to accomplish the same thing. So
Posix offers more control and is typically more robust as a
result. There are a few exceptions however, like SEH has
On 18-05-2012 18:42, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support, but it's really pretty
terrible and Druntime doesn't have declarations for the
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 16:53:54 UTC, Alex Rønne Petersen
wrote:
On 18-05-2012 18:42, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix
then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support, but it's really
Am 18.05.2012 18:53, schrieb Alex Rønne Petersen:
On 18-05-2012 18:42, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support, but it's really pretty
terrible
On Fri, 18 May 2012 09:42:54 -0700, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx
wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support, but it's really pretty
terrible and
On 18-05-2012 20:53, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Am 18.05.2012 18:53, schrieb Alex Rønne Petersen:
On 18-05-2012 18:42, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix
On May 18, 2012, at 9:42 AM, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support, but it's really pretty
terrible and Druntime
Am 18.05.2012 20:59, schrieb Alex Rønne Petersen:
On 18-05-2012 20:53, Paulo Pinto wrote:
Am 18.05.2012 18:53, schrieb Alex Rønne Petersen:
On 18-05-2012 18:42, H. S. Teoh wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:11:33PM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
On May 18, 2012, at 9:42 AM, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim
Am 18.05.2012 21:03, schrieb Adam Wilson:
On Fri, 18 May 2012 09:42:54 -0700, H. S. Teoh hst...@quickfur.ath.cx
wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support,
Am 18.05.2012 21:11, schrieb Sean Kelly:
On May 18, 2012, at 9:42 AM, H. S. Teohhst...@quickfur.ath.cx wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 09:37:23AM -0700, Sean Kelly wrote:
[...]
If you're targeting Windows then use Windows APIs, if Posix then
Posix. Windows does claim Posix support, but it's
On 18/05/2012 20:41, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Command shells have always been a train wreck on Windows, as far as I
can remember. I haven't used Windows in any serious way for more than a
decade now, so I can't speak for later versions of Windows, but I
suspect things haven't changed much.
This is one
On May 18, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Mehrdad wfunct...@hotmail.com wrote:
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 16:37:31 UTC, Sean Kelly wrote:
I'd say that Windows tends to do more for you, while Posix provides
lower-level APIs to accomplish the same thing. So Posix offers more control
and is typically more
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 21:08:28 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
On the other hand, I *do* wonder how CLI users get any work
done without the ability to do GUI-related tasks (e.g.
refactoring in Visual Studio/Eclipse/whatever?). :P
Er, I should have said GUI-aided instead of GUI-related...
It's just
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 19:40:35 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
This is one of those things that makes Windows (l)users wonder
how we Unix people can stand using the shell all day -- their
idea of shell is the DOS prompt (a veritable train wreck of
train wrecks). If only they knew what a *real*
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:08:26PM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 19:40:35 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
This is one of those things that makes Windows (l)users wonder how we
Unix people can stand using the shell all day -- their idea of shell
is the DOS prompt (a veritable train
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 23:02:18 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I find IDEs more painful to use than scratching your nails on a
chalkboard. The inability of running an IDE over a remote SSH
session without everything slowing down to a snail crawl makes
it completely unusable for me.
Have you
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 01:21:56AM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 23:02:18 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I find IDEs more painful to use than scratching your nails on a
chalkboard. The inability of running an IDE over a remote SSH
session without everything slowing down to a snail
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 23:50:18 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Was it actually that slow?
Anything that has a GUI is unacceptably slow over a remote
connection, last time I checked. I'm not talking about
connecting over a local network, which doesn't really count,
but a connection over the
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 00:39:22 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
If you were to do this with some text-based tool, it'd be next
to impossible IMO, since you'd have to edit XML settings, and
keep track of all the repetitions (e.g. something might appear
under a Debug node but not a Release node, etc.).
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 02:39:20AM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Friday, 18 May 2012 at 23:50:18 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
Was it actually that slow?
Anything that has a GUI is unacceptably slow over a remote
connection, last time I checked. I'm not talking about connecting
over a local network,
On Sat, May 19, 2012 at 02:45:00AM +0200, Mehrdad wrote:
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 00:39:22 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
If you were to do this with some text-based tool, it'd be next to
impossible IMO, since you'd have to edit XML settings, and keep
track of all the repetitions (e.g. something might
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 01:28:32 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
You must be using Emacs with a GUI.
No, I told you I hate Emacs. :P
I've seen *other* people do it, and it's horribly slow.
GUI-intensive apps aren't even on my radar. I don't do GUI.
okay... maybe National Instruments's LabView
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 02:10:31 UTC, Mehrdad wrote:
Worse yet, no way in hell that a command-line tool would tell
you your documentation is messed up. :P
I should submit a correction:
Nothing wrong with the command-line-ness per se -- it's just that
command-line tools happen to be
On Saturday, 19 May 2012 at 01:33:34 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
[...]
That just went way over my head. Why do you need to use some
fancy feature with some fancy name just for changing some
settings?
But over the years, I've become convinced that anything worth
doing can always be done at the
From looking at Phobos, I'm understanding that the main
difference between the implementation of various features for
Posix systems as compared to Windows systems (aside from the API,
etc.) is that Windows tends to do a lot of stuff *before* the
program is loaded (and hence requires special
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