I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got distracted and didn't quite finish it. I didn't like
how it looked primarily.
Today, I dropped it into the skeleton of d-programming-language.org
and now I pretty muc
On 11/15/2011 6:51 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got distracted and didn't quite finish it. I didn't like
how it looked primarily.
Today, I dropped it into the skeleton of d
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
Yeah that pnews one is real crappy,
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php is nicer and works fine
for me the few times I need a web viewer.
http://arsdnet.n
Walter Bright wrote:
> There's also the one I wrote:
That's not bad. It's the one under HTTP on the listing that I
hate.
http://www.digitalmars.com/pnews/indexing.php?server=news.digitalmars.com&group=digitalmars.D
It usually doesn't even load anymore.
> But neither yours nor mine allow postin
Trass3r Wrote:
> http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php is nicer and works fine
> for me the few times I need a web viewer.
Oh, I keep forgetting this one exists!
Can we get this linked from the main newsgroups page at least?
> A threaded view is a must have :)
Change the ordering
On 11/15/11 6:51 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got distracted and didn't quite finish it. I didn't like
how it looked primarily.
Today, I dropped it into the skeleton of d-p
Andrei Alexandrescu Wrote:
> If you could package that in an easy-to-embed
> component, I'll work it into the homepage.
I have that written for that old site concept
http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/
What's easy to embed though? An iframe might be easy to drop in,
but then you won't have easy css s
On 11/15/2011 06:51 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got distracted and didn't quite finish it. I didn't like
how it looked primarily.
Today, I dropped it into the skeleton of
bcs Wrote:
> You have completely obscured the structure of the news groups.
You can change the view to see it in email ordering, or descending parent
ordering.
Which I mentioned in a subthread, but you probably didn't see it
because that strong hierarchy separates the content into branches
of a t
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 02:51:25 +, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> Is there a lot of interest in this kind of thing among the community?
My interest in a web reader is a way see which messages I have read, a
tree view, and a way to respond.
However, if there was a list of current headlines, a viewing l
On 11/15/2011 08:38 PM, bcs wrote:
On 11/15/2011 06:51 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got distracted and didn't quite finish it. I didn't like
how it looked primarily.
Today
On 11/15/2011 07:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
Trass3r Wrote:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php is nicer and works fine
for me the few times I need a web viewer.
Oh, I keep forgetting this one exists!
Can we get this linked from the main newsgroups page at least?
A threaded vi
Jesse Phillips Wrote:
> My interest in a web reader is a way see which messages I have read, a
> tree view, and a way to respond.
Yeah, showing it as read is a good idea. I was thinking to use the
browser history for that, but that requires loading each post individually -
which is ok, but I pref
On 11/15/2011 08:45 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
bcs Wrote:
You have completely obscured the structure of the news groups.
You can change the view to see it in email ordering, or descending parent
ordering.
I don't want ordering, I want a tree.
Which I mentioned in a subthread, but you probab
bcs Wrote:
> Either that's not working, it's not what I want or the stylesheet thing
> is getting in the way.
Stylesheet... did a quick adjustment, try now:
http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/nntp/get-thread?newsgroup=digitalmars.D&messageId=%3Cj9ps5n%2430nq%241%40digitalmars.com%3E&ordering=ByParent
bcs Wrote:
> You must have miss-spoke. I assume your intended to say organised and
> grouped instead of an insane interleaved view where the conversation's
> natural structure is mashed flat and destroyed.
I've *never* had a conversation in real life where time branched out.
The closest you can
On 11/15/2011 09:03 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
bcs Wrote:
Either that's not working, it's not what I want or the stylesheet thing
is getting in the way.
Stylesheet... did a quick adjustment, try now:
http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/nntp/get-thread?newsgroup=digitalmars.D&messageId=%3Cj9ps5n%2430n
On 11/15/2011 09:12 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
bcs Wrote:
You must have miss-spoke. I assume your intended to say organised and
grouped instead of an insane interleaved view where the conversation's
natural structure is mashed flat and destroyed.
I've *never* had a conversation in real life wher
On 11/15/11 8:38 PM, bcs wrote:
On 11/15/2011 06:51 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got distracted and didn't quite finish it. I didn't like
how it looked primarily.
Today, I
On 11/15/2011 09:54 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 11/15/11 8:38 PM, bcs wrote:
On 11/15/2011 06:51 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got distracted and didn't quite finish
On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 00:12:33 Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> bcs Wrote:
> > You must have miss-spoke. I assume your intended to say organised and
> > grouped instead of an insane interleaved view where the conversation's
> > natural structure is mashed flat and destroyed.
>
> I've *never* had a
On 11/15/11 10:19 PM, bcs wrote:
On 11/15/2011 09:54 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
On 11/15/11 8:38 PM, bcs wrote:
On 11/15/2011 06:51 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
But, I got d
On 11/15/2011 8:38 PM, bcs wrote:
You have completely obscured the structure of the news groups. News group (and
e-mail) threads have a strong hierarchy to them that contains a significant
about of information that I use when viewing things. As one example, when
skimming threads, I often only loo
On 11/15/2011 9:03 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
On the other hand, finding new posts is virtually impossible with a tree
view, because it's mixed in at random.
It's trivial with a news reader, because unread messages are in boldface.
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:48:55 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
> russian porn spam
WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?
I mean, terrible stuff. :o
On 16/11/11 6:40 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
To clarify - all we need on the homepage is a read-only rendering of the
most recent posts on digitalmars.D.announce. In fact perhaps we should
only render the latest top-level messages, not the answers.
Andrei
Would this encourage vandalism? If
On 11/15/11 11:25 PM, Peter Alexander wrote:
On 16/11/11 6:40 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
To clarify - all we need on the homepage is a read-only rendering of the
most recent posts on digitalmars.D.announce. In fact perhaps we should
only render the latest top-level messages, not the answers.
On 11/15/2011 11:37 PM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
That's why I like using twitter, as in the current draft.
I fear we may find ourselves reinventing twitter by a great roundabout method.
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 04:51:25 +0200, Adam D. Ruppe
wrote:
I've complained about the godawful web viewers for the newsgroup
before, and wrote a little program to do a better job.
Hmm... Now what do I do with the half-written thing I started writing two
days ago (for news and newsgroups)?
I suggest to focus on correctness rather than features.
Adam D. Ruppe Wrote:
> On the other hand, finding new posts is virtually impossible with a tree
> view, because it's mixed in at random.
well, most people here seem to use nntp clients, so their requests (like
threaded view) can be safely ignored :) they have it in their clients.
Am 16.11.2011 07:48, schrieb Walter Bright:
I agree with you, which is why the D site has never used typical forum
software. I've not seen one that preserved the tree like structure of
conversations. They mash them all flat and spread them out over endless
pages.
What about mwforum (http://www.
"bcs" wrote in message
news:j9vhqd$2cc6$1...@digitalmars.com...
> On 11/15/2011 09:03 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
>> bcs Wrote:
>>
>>> Or
>>> how about the fun you can have trying to locate replies to a given post?
>>
>> On the other hand, finding new posts is virtually impossible with a tree
>> vie
"Adam D. Ruppe" wrote in message
news:j9vg6h$28tl$1...@digitalmars.com...
> bcs Wrote:
>> Either that's not working, it's not what I want or the stylesheet thing
>> is getting in the way.
>
> Stylesheet... did a quick adjustment, try now:
>
> http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/nntp/get-thread?newsgrou
Kagamin Wrote:
> well, most people here seem to use nntp clients, so their requests (like
> threaded view) can be safely ignored :) they have it in their clients.
Indeed. Hell, I probably won't use it very often, since I have
my precious mutt mail client!
But, regardless, I wrote that already an
Nick Sabalausky Wrote:
> a:link vs a:visited
That was my original plan, but I like having multiple
posts on one page too, and you can't link them up
that way.
Or can you? Maybe with script, I can watch the scroll position
and change the anchor as each post scrolls into view.
The anchor could be
Vladimir Panteleev Wrote:
> Hmm... Now what do I do with the half-written thing I started writing two
> days ago (for news and newsgroups)?
We could always combine the best parts of both of them!
Walter Bright Wrote:
> It's trivial with a news reader, because unread messages are in boldface.
Which is possible because the messages are sorted linearly in the
computer!
When you do a newnews command in NNTP, you tell it a time, not
a thread. Then it grabs everything since that time, and you k
Peter Alexander Wrote:
> Would this encourage vandalism? If people know they can get a post on
> the front page of the D website just by posting to D.announce then I
> think we could see some trouble.
Meh, I say we cross that bridge when we come to it. Right now,
the D newsgroups have a pretty g
Jonathan M Davis Wrote:
> Knowing the parent post of a particular post can be critical to understanding
> that post - especially when the parent post isn't quoted in the reply.
Yeah, that's one of the few times I hit the o-t keys in my mail
reader to sort by thread.
Keep in mind that this info
bcs Wrote:
> Cut the tab size by about 60% and that's usable.
OK
> OTOH it will still end
> up with a column size of -10 pt about the time threads get interesting.
Another fundamentally broken aspect of tree views.
> And if anyone keeps more than about 3 layers of quoting you need to be
> Tol
Walter Bright Wrote:
> If that sin isn't enough, the other problem is there is no way to mark a post
> as
> "read".
Every linear view web forum software I've ever seen handles this
automatically.
I don't really love the implementation of most of them, but they
usually do a good enough job anywa
On 11/16/2011 7:27 AM, Adam Ruppe wrote:
You have that same reply to list, parent link, etc. people want,
and the browser history keeps track of where you've been.
A reddit-like view would be acceptable as long as it had a button to mark a
posting as 'read'. Read ones would be in a different c
On 11/16/2011 7:39 AM, Adam Ruppe wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
It's trivial with a news reader, because unread messages are in boldface.
Which is possible because the messages are sorted linearly in the
computer!
When you do a newnews command in NNTP, you tell it a time, not
a thread. Then it
On 11/16/2011 5:17 AM, Mafi wrote:
Am 16.11.2011 07:48, schrieb Walter Bright:
I agree with you, which is why the D site has never used typical forum
software. I've not seen one that preserved the tree like structure of
conversations. They mash them all flat and spread them out over endless
page
On 11/16/2011 7:33 AM, Adam Ruppe wrote:
Vladimir Panteleev Wrote:
Hmm... Now what do I do with the half-written thing I started writing two
days ago (for news and newsgroups)?
We could always combine the best parts of both of them!
I've thought many times about nothing more than a CGI based
Adam Ruppe Wrote:
> Kagamin Wrote:
> > well, most people here seem to use nntp clients, so their requests (like
> > threaded view) can be safely ignored :) they have it in their clients.
>
> Indeed. Hell, I probably won't use it very often, since I have
> my precious mutt mail client!
>
> But,
Le 16/11/2011 05:47, bcs a écrit :
> On 11/15/2011 07:18 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
>> Trass3r Wrote:
>>> http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php is nicer and works
>>> fine
>>> for me the few times I need a web viewer.
>>
>> Oh, I keep forgetting this one exists!
>>
>> Can we get this link
Le 16/11/2011 03:51, Adam D. Ruppe a écrit :
> Is there a lot of interest in this kind of thing among the community?
I've waited for this for such a long time... Thx :)
PS: bug when one clicks on a thread title, though
Somedude Wrote:
> PS: bug when one clicks on a thread title, though
Yeah, I know. When I wrote this originally, it was last year and my
web.d module was pretty different than it is now.
I got it to compile again to make changes, but haven't completely
converted it to the new code.
You can still
Somedude Wrote:
> Some forums, like http://forum.hardware.fr, allow you to go back to the
> post you are responding to by clicking on the poster's name, and it also
> displays the number of responses to your own post.
I like that idea.
Something I've been going for here is to keep the listing unc
Le 16/11/2011 23:25, Adam D. Ruppe a écrit :
> Somedude Wrote:
>> PS: bug when one clicks on a thread title, though
>
> Yeah, I know. When I wrote this originally, it was last year and my
> web.d module was pretty different than it is now.
...
> I'm probably going to fix this by Friday.
Cool. :)
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:33:56 +0200, Adam Ruppe
wrote:
Vladimir Panteleev Wrote:
Hmm... Now what do I do with the half-written thing I started writing
two
days ago (for news and newsgroups)?
We could always combine the best parts of both of them!
What do you mean by that?
--
Best regar
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:33:56 +0200, Adam Ruppe
wrote:
Vladimir Panteleev Wrote:
Hmm... Now what do I do with the half-written thing I started writing
two
days ago (for news and newsgroups)?
We could always combine the best parts of both of them!
I have planned for something different i
Vladimir Panteleev Wrote:
> What do you mean by that?
If you want to use any of my code, feel free, and if I like your program better,
I'm willing to abandon mine.
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:04:15 -0500, Adam Ruppe wrote:
> Remember, in both linear and tree views, getting back to the parent post
> is very easy,
How is that easy in a linear, err chronological, view? The parent isn't
the one directly above.
almars.D
Thread: newsgroup web viewer by Adam D. Ruppe
In reply to: Re: newsgroup web viewer by Walter Bright
On 11/16/2011 08:04 AM, Adam Ruppe wrote:
bcs Wrote:
Cut the tab size by about 60% and that's usable.
OK
OTOH it will still end
up with a column size of -10 pt about the time threads get interesting.
Another fundamentally broken aspect of tree views.
Not inherently. That is a fundamenta
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digitalmars.D
Thread: newsgroup web viewer by Adam D. Ruppe
In reply to: Re: newsgroup web viewer by Walter
Bright
Add that to the multi post view with it pointing to an anchor on the
same page and you might have a point. Added bonus: instant caching.
On 11/16/2011 10:14 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
I really do not understand why people keep writing replacements for
newsreaders that miss fundamentally useful aspects of it.
Because they have never used a proper new reader?
On 11/16/2011 07:53 AM, Adam Ruppe wrote:
But looking at a tree thread is almost impossible once it gets to
more than about ten posts without computer assistance, and even
then, it's so fractured that people repeat themselves a lot.
I find I have that tendency no matter what the format. If, i
bcs Wrote:
> On 11/16/2011 10:14 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
> >
> > I really do not understand why people keep writing replacements for
> > newsreaders that miss fundamentally useful aspects of it.
>
> Because they have never used a proper new reader?
What do you do if you don't have access to you
bcs wrote:
> Add that to the multi post view with it pointing to an anchor on the
> same page and you might have a point. Added bonus: instant caching.
meh, I don't want to clutter the multiple post page with all kinds of
links.
If you want the details, you can click through to the post.
I did some bug fixing tonight and changed some features.
http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/nntp/thread-index?newsgroup=digitalmars.D
* The links are all working now. You can view individual posts.
* It uses cookies to remember your preferences. Name, email, preferred view
mode, etc.
* Added collaps
On 11/16/2011 08:46 PM, Kagamin wrote:
bcs Wrote:
On 11/16/2011 10:14 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
I really do not understand why people keep writing replacements for
newsreaders that miss fundamentally useful aspects of it.
Because they have never used a proper new reader?
What do you do if
On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 08:27:55PM -0800, bcs wrote:
> >I really do not understand why people keep writing replacements for
> >newsreaders that miss fundamentally useful aspects of it.
>
> Because they have never used a proper new reader?
This is like asking why car manufacturers keep writing rep
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:04:39 +1300, Bernard Helyer
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:48:55 -0800, Walter Bright wrote:
russian porn spam
WHY WAS I NOT INFORMED?
I mean, terrible stuff. :o
Forgive me, but I'm just trying out Opera's NG reader.
Somedude wrote:
> Le 16/11/2011 05:47, bcs a
http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/nntp/get-message?newsgroup=digitalmars.D&messageId=%3Cja1bp9%242ps%241%40digitalmars.com%3E
http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/nntp/get-message?newsgroup=digitalmars.D&messageId=%3Cja1chd%246bj%241%40digitalmars.com%3E
Probabl
bcs Wrote:
> Well you should be able to find feature list and screen shots from the
> available options. Anyone who is going to make an effort to write a NNTP
> client should really try out the existing one first.
>
> For that matter, most anyone who has the resources to write a new client
> w
>
>
> I'm going to try using this to do all my posts for a while.
Hmm, not bad. Personally, I would rename "expand"/"collapse" to "expand
all"/"collapse all", and replace the "Reply by..." links with a partial
tree-header view a la
"Walter Bright" wrote in message
news:ja0uk6$26tb$1...@digitalmars.com...
>
> I really do not understand why people keep writing replacements for
> newsreaders that miss fundamentally useful aspects of it.
Probably because it's more than 6 months "old", and isn't "web 2.0" or
AJAX-y, and doesn
Kagamin Wrote:
> Probably a unicode issue: the message is cut at the first non-ASCII
> character.
The charset on that message is ISO-8859-1. Blargh.
Phobos really needs some charset functions.
Adam D. Ruppe Wrote:
> Phobos really needs some charset functions.
What I'd really like is for this to work:
auto utf8string = to!string(string_in_some_other_charset, "iso-8859-1");
and it just works. It'd be good to have utf8 to the other charsets too, but
that's not a high priority to me.
The
On 11/17/2011 05:04 AM, Kagamin wrote:
bcs Wrote:
Well you should be able to find feature list and screen shots from the
available options. Anyone who is going to make an effort to write a NNTP
client should really try out the existing one first.
For that matter, most anyone who has the resour
On 11/17/2011 8:23 AM, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
With all four points addressed, there would never be any good reason for
anyone to ever use anything but NNTP.
Your four points are all correct. My beef is that web forum software fixes all
those, and yet utterly fails to reproduce what NNTP does *
Walter Bright Wrote:
> 1. compact, threaded view
You have to acknowledge that a lot of people don't see this as
newsgroups getting it right.
I'm completely opposed to it. (recursive*) Threaded views aren't just
suboptimal.
They are a *bad* thing. It was progress to ditch that misfeature, and it
On 11/17/2011 09:02 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
1. compact, threaded view
You have to acknowledge that a lot of people don't see this as
newsgroups getting it right.
And you have to acknowledge that a significant of people do see this as
getting it right. And because Walte
bcs Wrote:
> And you have to acknowledge that a significant of people do see this as
> getting it right.
That's why I've had a [Tree] link in the program since almost the beginning.
> If they are suboptimal and bad, how do you then explain that the most
> prolific form of electronic communicat
Deimos could use an ICU wrapper.
Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 17, 2011, at 6:08 PM, "Adam D. Ruppe" wrote:
> Kagamin Wrote:
>> Probably a unicode issue: the message is cut at the first non-ASCII
>> character.
>
> The charset on that message is ISO-8859-1. Blargh.
>
> Phobos really needs some c
On 11/18/2011 06:06 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
bcs Wrote:
And you have to acknowledge that a significant of people do see this as
getting it right.
That's why I've had a [Tree] link in the program since almost the beginning.
If they are suboptimal and bad, how do you then explain that the mos
On Friday, November 18, 2011 20:10:26 bcs wrote:
> On 11/18/2011 06:06 AM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
> > bcs Wrote:
> >> And you have to acknowledge that a significant of people do see this
> >> as
> >> getting it right.
> >
> > That's why I've had a [Tree] link in the program since almost the
> > begi
On 11/17/2011 9:02 PM, Adam D. Ruppe wrote:
Walter Bright Wrote:
1. compact, threaded view
You have to acknowledge that a lot of people don't see this as
newsgroups getting it right.
I'm completely opposed to it. (recursive*) Threaded views aren't just
suboptimal.
They are a *bad* thing. It
Adam D. Ruppe Wrote:
> Kagamin Wrote:
> > Probably a unicode issue: the message is cut at the first non-ASCII
> > character.
>
> The charset on that message is ISO-8859-1. Blargh.
http://arsdnet.net/d-web-site/nntp/get-message?newsgroup=digitalmars.D&messageId=%3C20110205144155.4f85%40unknow
Kagamin Wrote:
> what about this?
ISO-8859-2
I have gnu iconv wrapped already. I could drop that in. Or avoid the gpl
by doing the incredibly boring but otherwise easy task of writing up the
translation tables myself and solve this.
Thought =20 should really be a space I think. There's probably
I decided to whip up a quick module of my own from scratch this morning.
https://github.com/adamdruppe/misc-stuff-including-D-programming-language-web-stuff/blob/master/characterencodings.d
Example:
import arsd.characterencodings;
auto data = cast(immutable(ubyte)[])
std.file.rea
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:37:49 +0200, Adam D. Ruppe
wrote:
If you want to use any of my code, feel free,
Thanks. The same goes for my code. (We should probably decide on a
license, though; how about AGPL 3?)
I hope to have something presentable by tomorrow or Tuesday.
The code is here: ht
On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:23:19 +0200, Nick Sabalausky wrote:
2. There's no standardized URL system (Seriously?!? Why the fuck not?).
I don't know how much of a standard it is, but I've seen the following
schemes in use:
1) Linking to a newsgroup: news://www.example.com/comp.lang.d
2) Linkin
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