[digitalradio] digital spotter

2006-02-06 Thread on4ccx
no digital spotter in belgium ? 73 on4ccx Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion)

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread Dr. Howard S. White
Danny: When SSB first came out.. it was incredibly expensive for us Average Hams...who could not afford let alone dream of a Collins... But with increased usage.. other manufacturers came into the market with different less expensive designs ... and the rest of us could afford to jump

[digitalradio] Re: cw

2006-02-06 Thread kmeinken
Are you copying in your head, or writing it down? What I found really helped me make the switch to copying in my head was to let a digital unit copy along with me. Normally I wouldn't look at the screen but if I missed something important, I could look up at it so that I could carry on an

[digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread jgorman01
These are extremely appropriate examples. A big thing to pick up here is that SSB was a standard and everyone could design to it. If they had a better idea and cheaper manufacturing they could compete. One of the things never addressed with digital is the standards issue. We spent millions of

[digitalradio] Re: cw

2006-02-06 Thread jgorman01
Let me echo that if you want to copy fast and conversationally, throw away your pencil and paper. On most traffic nets, folks only send about 25 wpm since that is all you can reliably copy down on paper. I've found most slow down to whatever speed you send at since it assumed that is also what

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread KV9U
John, Many of us are familiar with the AOR product since it has been around for some time now and is about the only one of its kind for HF. The pros and cons of this technology have been mentioned many times. While it may have good voice quality and almost no background noise, the trade off

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread KV9U
Danny, Even if the CW subbands shrink, it does not mean that there will be any shortage of spectrum for CW. From what I have read of the proposals, any narrow mode can always be used in a wider mode subband. Just like you can today. No one loses anything. In fact, it is the exact opposite

Re: [digitalradio] CW ?

2006-02-06 Thread John Becker
SURE ! On a side note did it get to you when they all but did away with the code? DID IT DID IT At 12:04 PM 2/5/06, you wrote: Although Morse code is not the digital mode this group usually focuses on, I wonder if any of the members are interested in CW operations and the occasional sked ?

Re: [digitalradio] CW

2006-02-06 Thread Thomas Giella KN4LF
To me CW is "the" original digital mode. Personally I neglected CW for several years because of my extensive involvement in the digital modes. Recently I did come back to CW and mainly on 160 meters as that's the mode that most of the DX uses. The first thing I discovered was that my

[digitalradio] RM-11306 comments

2006-02-06 Thread Dave Bernstein
As of this morning, there are more than 800 comments filed at http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi . My unscientific sample shows the opposition/support ratio bo be around 20:1, with about a third objecting based on negative impact to AM and another third objecting based on

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread John Becker
Danny, I'm using this unit : http://www.aorusa.com/ard9800.html In fact I have one mounted in my Ford F150 pick up http://www.rfelectronics.com/digital-ssb/fellow-users/fellow-users-pics/w0jab/w0jab-stn.htm There is software but I don't use it since I do have the modem. I have had my modem for

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread Danny Douglas
OK John. I had looked at the ads and read up on that before, and immediately forgot it. The 500 bucks would go a long way toward a new, shiney, taller tower, which mama wont let me buy anyway. Hi. Danny Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of

[digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread jgorman01
The real problem right now is not expanding our SSB segments, but rather that expansion forcing other countries SSB even lower. Canadian, Mexican, and Central American SSB stations are already far, far down in the lower parts of 80m and 40m. So far in fact that sometimes it is hard to have CW or

[digitalradio] Re: RM-11306 comments

2006-02-06 Thread jimkovar
One of the proposals in RM-11306 is to remove a limitation in Section 97.307(b) that excludes the use of an unspecified digital code (i.e., anything but Baudot, AMTOR, ASCII, CLOVER, G-TOR and PacTOR) in RTTY or data transmissions to a station in a country with which the United States does not

[digitalradio] Re: RM-11306 comments

2006-02-06 Thread jimkovar
My previous post should have referred to Section 97.309 vice 97.307 paragraph (b). Sorry about the typo. 73, KC0HOS - Jim Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol:

RE: [digitalradio] The difficulty of digital voice in ~3K bandwidth [was Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF]

2006-02-06 Thread Peter G. Viscarola
try this page for the AOR digital modem at that most on digital voice are using. Thanks. That's helpful. Like I said, this happens to be an area in which I'm particularly interested. Actually, I'm aware of the G4GUO's work. Is there a group or a website that discusses people's real-world

[digitalradio] Re: K3UK Telnet Address

2006-02-06 Thread Jerry W
Is there something else needed for MixW for the Telnet? I log in cluster.dynalias.org, port 23, then MixW hangs and does nothing. If I use RUN from Start on Windows XP Home and telnet://cluster.dynalias.org it works. I also use Zone Alarm firewall software, is there something needed to let

Re: [digitalradio] Re: RM-11306 comments

2006-02-06 Thread Mark Saunders, KJ7BS
It seems to me that if the codes were in an international agreement the would not be unspecified as they are specified in said document. The more likely scenario is you will find a list of codes allowed between those countries and the United States, and language stating unspecified codes are

[digitalradio] The difficulty of digital voice in ~3K bandwidth [was Re: ARRL proposal removes

2006-02-06 Thread jgorman01
I can't tell where you are coming from by your comments. Today's FCC regulations don't keep you from using a bandwidth wider than 3 kHz on HF. The proposed ARRL petition will keep you from using one wider than 3.5 kHz. Specifically, which regulations are you worried about? There ARE two

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread Tim Gorman
You need to also check out the ARRL product review on this unit. While the published specs show it operating in a 2.5khz bandwidth, the ARRL measured bandwidth was actually almost 3.25khz for the unit itself. For some reason, which the ARRL did not go into, the noise from the unit above the

[digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread jgorman01
As long as countries like Canada would redo their regulations and prevent stations from simply moving lower since it is legal to so. Jim WA0LYK --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Danny Douglas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The exact reson we need INTERNATIONAL subbands. - Original Message

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread John Bradley
why would we re-do regulations which have been in effect for 50 years, or longer, allowing SSB down to 14100 and 7050 in Canada? Lately those regulations are no longer in effect but I have yet to see anyone operating below those freq's, so far respecting the "gentleman's agreement"

[digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread jgorman01
Believe me there are Canadian and/or Mexican/South Americans signals down around 3590 and 7040. Besides that wasn't the point I attempted to make. My point was that if the US allows SSB down to the bottom of the Region 2 subband. Then all Region 2 countries need to operate with these same

[digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread Dave Bernstein
I have come to agree with you and Howard on this, John. We should replace all of 97.221 with the following 27 words: No automatic station shall transmit on an already-occupied frequency, or without identifying in 15 wpm CW at the beginning of each 5 minute interval of operation. Polite

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread John Becker
Why ID every 5 minute ? At 08:56 PM 2/6/06, you wrote: I have come to agree with you and Howard on this, John. We should replace all of 97.221 with the following 27 words: No automatic station shall transmit on an already-occupied frequency, or without identifying in 15 wpm CW at the beginning

RE: [digitalradio] Re: RM-11306 comments

2006-02-06 Thread Mark Saunders, KJ7BS
Sorry, I did not mean to cause injuries. Is everyone allright? I did think it strange the way the original question was worded. Next time I do something like that, Ill put a warning at the beginning of the message. Mark Saunders, KJ7BS Glendale, AZ From:

[digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread Dave Bernstein
To facilitate self-policing. The software controlling an automatic station would have no difficulty remembering to do this, and the impact on throughput would be neglible. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Becker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why ID every 5

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread John Becker
Yes I see this. I could be done very easy with out bringing the link down. At 09:41 PM 2/6/06, you wrote: To facilitate self-policing. The software controlling an automatic station would have no difficulty remembering to do this, and the impact on throughput would be neglible. 73,

[digitalradio] Are varicodes or extended ASCII legal? Was: Re: RM-11306 comments

2006-02-06 Thread jimkovar
Jim, I also had to re-read my post and the rule. I think I found part of the answer to my original question. Paragraph (a) of Section 97.309 makes a distinction between digital codes (5-bit Baudot, 7 bit-AMTOR and 7-bit ASCII) and transmission techniques (CLOVER, G-TOR or PacTOR). New

Re: [digitalradio] Re: ARRL proposal removes baud rate limitations on HF

2006-02-06 Thread Danny Douglas
Since most, if not all Central and South American countries have no subbands, they go where they want, when they want. Our SSB moving down any bit at all, with simply cause them to come down below, and into the CW/digital bands, to talk to each other and/or make DX contacts away from our QRM/