RE: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-24 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rud, In my opinion there is already a better ALE, it is Alternate Quick Call (AQC) ALE which improves upon ALE in a number of ways as detailed in MILl-STD-188-141B where a number new features have been added ( such as shorter linking cycles, 6 character maximum SELCALs, PSK burst mode

Re: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-24 Thread Robert Thompson
It would be interesting to implement a pluggable version of the ALE state machine so that we could experiment with different modulations and compare their efficacy for the link establishment / link management role of ALE. Obviously everything has tradeoffs, and an ALE on top of a weak signals

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-24 Thread Rick
OK but how about the question I had? Are you saying that 3G will include the MIL-STD-188-141A 8FSK125 waveform as the method for linking? Or it won't? When you use the term ALE, do you mean the related MIL-STD/FED-STD/STANAG protocols, or do you mean the linking part only, particularly

[digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-23 Thread expeditionradio
Rud k5rud wrote: However, I will stand by my statements. ALE is achieving 375 bps in 2.5 kHz and 0 db. (Info from http://hflink.com/technical/ and current Channel 0 statistics.] That is not terrifically good at just under .15 bps per Hz. It certainly comes nowhere close to the theory,

RE: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-23 Thread Rud Merriam
. Rud Merriam K5RUD ARES AEC Montgomery County, TX http://TheHamNetwork.net -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of expeditionradio Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 2:26 AM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] ALE

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread John Bradley
Rick; please let me know where you and Sholto are using FAE ARQ, since I would like to come amd play,too. On the subject of ALE; in my humble opinion some operators have become too focused on ALE, forgeting that ALE is the means to establish which stations available, and the best frequency

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread Rick
John, As I was preparing an assessment of my experiences last night with Sholto (that I published on the HFDEC group), I needed to look up the URL for the 30 meter spotting website and noticed that Sholto was monitoring on FAE this late morning/early afternoon. So I tuned up on his QRQ of

RE: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-23 Thread Rud Merriam
: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE GM Rud, At 12:56 AM 9/23/2007, you wrote: Quite all right being blunt with me Bonny. I am learning about HF protocols and part of them will be mean getting slapped down about misinformation. I am deed

RE: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-23 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rud, Sorry that I could not be of help in getting you squared away with your understanding of ALE. /s/ Steve, N2CKH At 07:14 PM 9/23/2007, you wrote: See my main comment inline below... This is likely my last response to these messages. I have better things to do than argue with a group

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread Rick
I had very good luck testing FAE with Sholto, KE7HPV yesterday evening. The 8FSK125 waveform is a fairly old design. They would not be using FSK if they were developing a new mode. From what I have been reading, the government/commercial long term plan for the MIL-STD/FED-STD/STANAG's will

Re: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-23 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, Patricks FAE ARQ is an excellent protocol, it is the best example to date in my opinion of a PCSMD based ARQ protocol developed for Amateur Radio. The ALE 8FSK is not being replace by serial tone modem use for its Sounding/LQA/Calling/Linking, believe me that is not going to happen.

[digitalradio] ALE On The Air Week, October 5 - 15

2007-09-22 Thread Mark Thompson
ALE On The Air Week Posted by: expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] expeditionradio Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:50 am ((PDT)) ALE On The Air Week is 5-15 October. http://hflink.com/aotaw It is an international readiness event, with direct HF messaging, HF SMS (phone texting), or short

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On The Air Week, October 5 - 15

2007-09-22 Thread Andrew O'Brien
This is a repeat post Mark. Andy K3UK Owner. On 9/22/07, Mark Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ALE On The Air Week Posted by: expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] expeditionradio Date: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:50 am ((PDT)) ALE On The Air Week is 5-15 October.

[digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-22 Thread expeditionradio
Rud k5rud wrote: My recent readings indicate that the ALE standards are _NOT_ good for ham use because the military is not power limited. They can attain good SNRs because of this. Hams are not able to do this. Hi Rud, Sorry to be blunt, but your opinion about ALE standards is simply

[digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-22 Thread Rick
Like so many things in life, there are tradeoffs and ALE is not all that bad, but it is also not all that good either. Rud's comments are accurate, unless you ignore what the military/commercial/government actually writes about ALE. When I first read about ALE in QST many years ago, beginning

RE: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE

2007-09-22 Thread Rud Merriam
, TX http://TheHamNetwork.net -Original Message- From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of expeditionradio Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2007 3:22 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] ALE standards work fine Re: [hflink] ARQ FAE Rud

RE: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no?

2007-09-22 Thread Rud Merriam
: Saturday, September 22, 2007 11:35 PM To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] ALE yes ... or no? ... I have been spending a LOT of time researching the studies of ALE and the standards from the company claims. Many of these are computer simulations and not real world tests

[digitalradio] ALE QSO Party 05-15 October

2007-09-09 Thread expeditionradio
The Automatic Link Establishment QSO Party: 05-15 October. ALE On The Air Week AOTAW-2007 is an annual International Amateur Radio event sponsored by HFLINK http://hflink.com . Ham radio operators worldwide are invited to participate in 10 days of ALE http://hflink.com/automaticlinkestablishment

Re: [digitalradio] ALE QSO Party 05-15 October

2007-09-09 Thread Andrew O'Brien
OK folks. I wrote in another forum last week that ALE is really the ONLY method of digital communication that makes sense , and the methods afforded by PC-ALE and Multipsk are the most efficient you can get. I also mentioned that for the concept to work, we need many hams to be active , not just

[digitalradio] ALE: Increased QRV/ Activity log for this evening

2007-08-03 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Folks, Due to some significant enhancements in PC-ALE, new features in Multipsk, and major experiments with ALE email and SMS forwarding, you will note a significant increase in ALE on the amateur bands. Here is my log from the past few hours. [00:10:44][FRQ 10136500][SND][

[digitalradio] ALE FAE mode frequencies?

2007-07-12 Thread Rick
I would like to do more testing of the FAE mode that comes with the Multipsk program. This seems to be the best sound card ARQ mode available at this time with full character set, ability to reach down below -6 dB S/N (tremendously better than 300 baud packet), and operates in a psuedo duplex

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Linking and Texting with Multipsk

2007-06-18 Thread Patrick Lindecker
, June 18, 2007 9:56 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE Linking and Texting with Multipsk Are people using ALE to send emails now? Have seen some chatter on this but not sure. If so, can it be done with MultiPSK program? thanks Orrin wn1z in northeastern California

[digitalradio] ALE Linking and Texting with Multipsk

2007-06-16 Thread expeditionradio
ALE Linking and Texting with Multipsk See this set up drawing: http://www.hflink.com/multipsk/MultipskALEoptionsSetup.jpg Set your Multipsk up exactly as the drawing shows. Video ID = Off RS ID Detection =Off First, use the Auxiliary Functions window to add other stations callsigns, as shown

[digitalradio] ALE Linking and Texting with Multipsk

2007-06-16 Thread Patrick Lindecker
: Saturday, June 16, 2007 8:29 AM Subject: [digitalradio] ALE Linking and Texting with Multipsk ALE Linking and Texting with Multipsk See this set up drawing: http://www.hflink.com/multipsk/MultipskALEoptionsSetup.jpg Set your Multipsk up exactly as the drawing shows. Video ID = Off

[digitalradio] ALE beacon

2007-06-09 Thread John Bradley
Beaconing ALE, 21117.5MHZ starting 16.15UTC , Sat June 9th, RST reports to [EMAIL PROTECTED] John VE5MU

[digitalradio] ALE activity reports

2007-06-07 Thread expeditionradio
Activity Report 14109.5 kHz ALE today K8HKW K7EK W1PID WA3MEZ W6CM VE5MU 73 Bonnie KQ6XA

Re: [digitalradio] ALE How to do

2007-06-02 Thread Simon Brown
Sorry, Muppet here, replied to the wrong message. Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: Simon Brown Hi, Nice suggestion re: SuperBrowser, I'll have to work out the logic, but not tonight :-)

Re: [digitalradio] ALE How to do

2007-06-02 Thread Simon Brown
Hi, Nice suggestion re: SuperBrowser, I'll have to work out the logic, but not tonight :-) Simon Brown, HB9DRV - Original Message - From: Patrick Lindecker To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 3:22 PM Subject: [digitalradio] ALE How to do Hello

[digitalradio] ALE Re: other demonstration modes for field day

2007-06-01 Thread expeditionradio
Well, Field Day is fast approaching, and I'm sure many of us are going to be running, at the very least, some keyboard digital modes during the event. Perhaps now would be a good time to plan the use of some demonstration modes, each worth 302 points -Joe, N8FQ Hi Joe, Feel free

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Re: other demonstration modes for field day

2007-06-01 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Joe, Bonnie, et al. I have been invited to conduct three digital demo modes on Field Day for the Union City Wireless Association. I plan on using ALE, Olivia, and JT65A, using the call sign W3CG. Andy K3UK On 6/1/07, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Field Day is fast

[digitalradio] ALE set up for Multipsk

2007-05-10 Thread expeditionradio
Here is a view of the Multipsk options set up screens that enable it to be used to send and respond to ALE calls using the common standards for international amateur radio ALE. http://www.hflink.com/multipsk/MultipskALEoptionsSetup.jpg After you have set up all the options accordingly, your

[digitalradio] ALE -141 Re: Amateur radio in disasters... what we really need

2007-05-08 Thread expeditionradio
Some advantages of ALE -141 for this purpose: 1) Message send/receive by portable transceivers without computer 2) Audible alarm call-up for individual operators or nets 3) Enables hot standby nets 24/7/365 4) Global standard and Interoperability 5) Bulletins/Messages with verification for

[digitalradio] ALE

2007-04-04 Thread expeditionradio
Since I put up a new broadband antenna, my ALE station is on now 24/7 all stations are invited to link. Netcall: HFL Transceiver: IC-F7000 Antenna: Broadband Dipole Power: 50W Location: Near San Francisco, CA, USA Scanning: 3596.0 3996.0 7065.0 7102.0 7296.0 10136.5 10145.5 14100.5 14109.5

Re: [digitalradio] ALE

2007-04-04 Thread Andrew O'Brien
Will give you a try tonight Bonnie. Are you sounding? Andy On 4/4/07, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I put up a new broadband antenna, my ALE station is on now 24/7 all stations are invited to link. Netcall: HFL Transceiver: IC-F7000 Antenna: Broadband Dipole Power: 50W

Re: [digitalradio] ALE

2007-04-04 Thread Kevin Natalia
@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: [digitalradio] ALE Since I put up a new broadband antenna, my ALE station is on now 24/7 all stations are invited to link. Netcall: HFL Transceiver: IC-F7000 Antenna: Broadband Dipole Power: 50W Location: Near San

Re: [digitalradio] ALE

2007-04-04 Thread Walt DuBose
expeditionradio wrote: Since I put up a new broadband antenna, my ALE station is on now 24/7 all stations are invited to link. Netcall: HFL Transceiver: IC-F7000 Antenna: Broadband Dipole Power: 50W Location: Near San Francisco, CA, USA Scanning: 3596.0 3996.0 7065.0 7102.0

Re: [digitalradio] ALE

2007-04-04 Thread John Becker
Walt connect me off list. John

Re: [digitalradio] ALE

2007-04-04 Thread John Becker
Walt connect me off list. John

[digitalradio] ALE station at Am-Tech Day (Saturday 17 March) California

2007-03-15 Thread expeditionradio
I will set up my IC-F7000 HF Portable ALE station at the Am-Tech Day event on Saturday 17 March. Please call and link for an ALE demonstration QSO. ALE address: KQ6XA Net addresses: HFL and QRZ Sounding: 7102.0kHz and 14109.5kHz. Scanning: All ham radio ALE channels. QSO methods: SSB voice

Re: [digitalradio] ALE station at Am-Tech Day (Saturday 17 March) California

2007-03-15 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I will make an attempt to link with you. Andy K3UK On 3/15/07, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will set up my IC-F7000 HF Portable ALE station at the Am-Tech Day event on Saturday 17 March. Please call and link for an ALE demonstration QSO. ALE address: KQ6XA Net addresses: HFL

[digitalradio] ALE 141A

2007-02-27 Thread John Bradley
calling CQ on 7075.5 (+1500) at 0230Z 40 is in good shape John VE5MU

[digitalradio] ALE Frequency Calibration Re: ARQ FAE and 141A

2007-02-22 Thread expeditionradio
Just a reminder: ALE and the associated digital communications with it, always uses FIXED audio frequencies, NEVER variable offset. Ham stations engaged in ALE operations on 20 meters are normally precisely on channel, calibrated +/- 20 Hz and using the internationally coordinated frequencies:

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Frequency Calibration Re: ARQ FAE and 141A

2007-02-22 Thread Tony
PM Subject: [digitalradio] ALE Frequency Calibration Re: ARQ FAE and 141A Just a reminder: ALE and the associated digital communications with it, always uses FIXED audio frequencies, NEVER variable offset. Ham stations engaged in ALE operations on 20 meters are normally precisely

Re: [digitalradio] ALE with MULTIPSK

2007-02-21 Thread KV9U
It seems like there are a rather large number of frequencies on each band for this mode. I could see perhaps one watering hole for ALE, particularly since it is such a wide band mode. One ALE signal will take up as much as all the PSK31 signals on a given band and probably even more than that

[digitalradio] ALE with MULTIPSK + Tests of the MIL-STD-188-141A mode (ALE) and new modes Unproto and ARQ FAE

2007-02-21 Thread Patrick Lindecker
* - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:50 AM Subject: [digitalradio] ALE with MULTIPSK HFLINK welcomes all MULTIPSK users to ham radio ALE operation. For the past 7 years, a global network

Re: [digitalradio] ALE with MULTIPSK + Tests of the MIL-STD-188-141A mode (ALE) and new modes Unproto and ARQ FAE

2007-02-21 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hello All, Patrick is to be commended on his efforts to date with regard to adding ALE capabilities to MultiPSK in support of Amateur Radio application single channel. I have been using his new a bit for the past two days and I find his new ARQ FAE protocol which is based on the DTM ARQ

Re: [digitalradio] ALE with MULTIPSK + Tests of the MIL-STD-188-141A mode (ALE) and new modes Unproto and ARQ FAE

2007-02-21 Thread Patrick Lindecker
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE with MULTIPSK + Tests of the MIL-STD-188-141A mode (ALE) and new modes Unproto and ARQ FAE Hello All, Patrick is to be commended on his efforts to date with regard to adding ALE

[digitalradio] ALE and 141A

2007-02-21 Thread John Bradley
as of 0300Z beaconing on 3587.50 and ready to try 141A , the new multiPSK mode . tried locally earlier and works like a charm John VE5MU ps : have 24/7 toll free phone anywhere in North America so if you want to talk thru this , email me a phone number and will help you set it up jb

[digitalradio] ALE with MULTIPSK

2007-02-20 Thread expeditionradio
HFLINK welcomes all MULTIPSK users to ham radio ALE operation. For the past 7 years, a global network of ALE Ham Operators has been growing. The purpose of the network is to enable ordinary Voice, Text, or Data QSOs in any mode. The ham radio ALE network is live 24/7/365 for QSOs or Propagation

Re: [digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data?

2007-01-27 Thread w6ids
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data? SNIP SNIP But I like calling CQ... CQ CQ CQ this is K5YFW Kilo Five Yankee Foxttot Whiskey K5YFW Kiss Five Young Friendly Women calling CQ 40

[digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS

2007-01-26 Thread expeditionradio
Joe Ivey wrote: And all this time I thought ALE was something that you drank Joe W4JSI Any day above ground is a good one. Hi Joe, A lot of hams got a taste of ALE during in October's ALE On The Air Week. Join us for a round next time. By the way, I've had a lot of wonderful days

Re: [digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data?

2007-01-26 Thread Jose A. Amador
Would I consider YFW as a suffix for a new call ? Seems interesting... Jose, CO2JA Walt DuBose wrote: I was pulling your leg...ALE is good for calling nets and having individuals on standby and not bothering them until you have something for them. But I like calling CQ... CQ CQ CQ

Re: [digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data?

2007-01-25 Thread Robert McGwier
Howdy: And open source on all parts of our (Frank and I) work should make this attractive to someone to do, not necessarily us. We have been constantly amazed at the talent which comes out of th woodwork and talkes up what has been done and makes it better or uses it in someway we had not

Re: [digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data?

2007-01-25 Thread Walt DuBose
I was pulling your leg...ALE is good for calling nets and having individuals on standby and not bothering them until you have something for them. But I like calling CQ... CQ CQ CQ this is K5YFW Kilo Five Yankee Foxttot Whiskey K5YFW Kiss Five Young Friendly Women calling CQ 40 and

Re: [digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data?

2007-01-25 Thread Joe Ivey
And all this time I thought ALE was something that you drank Joe W4JSI Any day above ground is a good one. - Original Message - From: Walt DuBose To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re

[digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data?

2007-01-24 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Walt, Maybe you haven't seen the way hams have adapted ALE to our own purposes... you can call CQ with it... in fact, there are 4 different types of CQ. :) We also have adapted ALE to do APRS-like stuff. But we call it ALE-GPR. The ALE protocol, especially with what you can do with AMD, is

[digitalradio] ALE CQ and ALE GPRS Re: SDRs Open Possibility for 18kHz Bandwidth HF Data?

2007-01-24 Thread Frank Brickle
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We also have adapted ALE to do APRS-like stuff. But we call it ALE-GPR. The ALE protocol, especially with what you can do with AMD, is flexible. And in any case none of this is the last word, especially when hams

[digitalradio] ALE MARS Questions From Novice

2007-01-04 Thread rmrrgs
Hello: Just a few questions on ALE from a real novice, please. I did read the ARRL and other descriptions, but still am uncertain on this very basic question: a. Regarding ALE Automatic Link Establishment: If you happen to fall across a freq. that has been established by an ALE Controller for

Re: [digitalradio] ALE MARS Questions From Novice

2007-01-04 Thread ZPO
In typical ham applications, the voice itself is analog. The ALE function is used to link the stations and automagically get them on a frequency where they can communicate via normal SSB voice. Military ALE nets and radios are often very operated very differently. The voice will most often be

[digitalradio] ALE Re: Announcing : Annual Digitalradio Awards 2006.

2007-01-01 Thread expeditionradio
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Andrew O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Biggest disappointments of the year : 1. ALE . Has just not taken off in the amateur world. Andy K3UK Digitalradio Owner. Hi Andy, Actually, ALE in 2006 was not a disappointment at all for ALE operators. It

[digitalradio] ALE-GPR Geo Position Reporting

2006-10-26 Thread expeditionradio
ALE-GPR (Geo Position Report) uses the ALE Instant Message feature called AMD. You can connect your GPS directly to the computer, and PCALE will auto-report your position to anyone who is part of the open GPR net. The first real-world use of ALE-GPR was during the Katrina disaster. ALE operators

[digitalradio] ALE usage guidelines

2006-10-22 Thread Ed Hekman
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, expeditionradio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ed, You can find much more info on set up of PCALE, and general ALE operation on the HFLINK group. http://hflink.com 73 Bonnie KQ6XA Thanks again, Bonnie. I just submitted a request to join the hflink

[digitalradio] ALE qso ZL to W6

2006-10-19 Thread expeditionradio
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bonny, you are working late, what time is it in CA about 1.15am? by the way you are coming through perfectly regards Ross Hi Ross, California is 7 hours from UTC. Next time you see my ALE signal again, please try to link.

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Re: Orion II

2006-10-18 Thread Ross
: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: [digitalradio] ALE Re: Orion II Can anyone tell me please how to get an Orion II operating on PC ALE. The Orion does not appear to be a radio option. Ross ZL1WNHi Ross,Welcome

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Receiving

2006-10-18 Thread Ross
Bonny, I can see VK2DSG sending, so at least it receives, now to sort out the tx side. Regards Ross - Original Message - From: expeditionradio To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: [digitalradio] ALE Re: Orion II

[digitalradio] ALE activity today

2006-10-14 Thread Andrew O'Brien
A lot of ALE action today, 20M (14109) has been quite active with netcalls and soundings. For example , I just decoded K5SKH with fair signals [13:49:40][FRQ 14109500][SND][ ][TIS][K5SKH ][AL0] BER 30 SN 10 Since this week is ALE activity week, you should hear more, this may be the

[digitalradio] ALE On The Air Week 13-23 Oct (Automatic Link Establishment QSO Party)

2006-10-08 Thread aotaw2006
==HFLINK SPECIAL BULLETIN== ALE On-The-Air Week 13-23 October AOTAW-2006 The Automatic Link Establishment International QSO Party START: 0001 UTC 13 October 2006 END: 2359 UTC 23 October 2006 HFLINK is sponsoring this new International Amateur Radio event. All ham radio operators worldwide are

RE: [digitalradio] ALE QRM

2006-09-03 Thread John Champa
Zip! Oh, was that a rhetorical question? (HI) From: John Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: [digitalradio] ALE QRM Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 20:30:15 -0600 It is truly amazing to me that the same hams who have torn up

[digitalradio] ALE Saturday Re: ALE tasting party

2006-09-02 Thread expeditionradio
List of ALE stations seen on 20 meters on Saturday so far: WD8ARZ N5RFX WA3MEZ WB6MLC K5SKH KN4HH 73---Bonnie KQ6XA A few us will be on the air with ALE this weekend testing some new things. If you would like to try a taste of ALE, please join us Free PCALE software is available on HFLINK

Re: [digitalradio] ALE QRM

2006-08-28 Thread John Champa
Yes! Just select a calling frequency. Then move off. From: kd4e [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE QRM Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2006 23:32:12 +0800 Someone somewhere will *have* to sound* else no one anywhere

[digitalradio] ALE use in Disaster Relief Comms, Katrina

2006-08-27 Thread expeditionradio
Rick KV9U wrote: If ALE played a huge part in Katrina, it was one of the best kept secrets. Hi Rick, There was substantial use of ALE during the Katrina disaster. I monitored rather intense ALE comms by Coast Guard rescue helicopters and vessels, which were using ALE extensively. There was

Re: [digitalradio] ALE use in Disaster Relief Comms, Katrina

2006-08-27 Thread KV9U
Its mostly the ham radio operator's use of ALE that I would like to know more about. With military, I expect it since the main purpose of ALE is to make things easier for the untrained radio operators. Actually, it might be more accurate to say the users since the intent is to make something

[digitalradio] ALE QRM

2006-08-27 Thread John Bradley
It is truly amazing to me that the same hams who have torn up this group time after time, objecting long and vigorously against automatic Pactor stations , are promoting the concept of ALE sounding on HF 24/7 Talk about being hypocritical !!! If we have 1000 Ale stations sounding 24/7, how

Re: [digitalradio] ALE QRM

2006-08-27 Thread kd4e
Someone somewhere will *have* to sound* else no one anywhere will make a contact! :-) That said, in small numbers the ALE sounding-QRM is unlikely to be unbearable. Were the usage numbers to increase then the sounding-QRM could definitely become more than an occasional nuisance. Since ALE is

[digitalradio] ALE Keyboarding QSOs

2006-08-26 Thread expeditionradio
Hi Mark, That was fun to make the ALE link and QSO with you today. It was surprising because your signal was very near the noise level. The 8FSK DTM ARQ seemed to work OK for text keyboarding back and forth. I'm glad you got your ALE system running there, and it is a pleasure to be your

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Keyboarding QSOs

2006-08-26 Thread Mark Miller
Bonnie, Thanks. I found the definions for the AMD automatic message display DBM data block message DTM data text message It is interesting that you say that we were using 8FSK, I have observed the eight orthogonal tones on my waterfall before, and didn't know exactly what was producing them.

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Keyboarding QSOs

2006-08-26 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Mark, Welcome to the world of ALE acty. DBM is the killer 8FSK protocol from the standard. Its raw speed is 125 baud but deeply interleaved which has it neck and neck with its kissing cousin GTOR for throughput. The BRD (FEC) selection is very robust and the ARQ is just great. It supports

Re: [digitalradio] ALE Keyboarding QSOs

2006-08-26 Thread Mark Miller
At this time I am not sure what G4GUO is planning for PC-ALE in this regard. However under current FCC Part 97 Rules, ALE can be used in the digital sub bands for two-way digital data comm and in the Voice sub bands for SELCAL (and more but not digital data comm) and of course Digital Voice

Re: ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-21 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Dave, I did not get from Rick at that point that he was looking for any assistance his message that he just sent that I see would seem to back that up. However, I provide many hours of assistance weekly to individuals having startup issues with ALE due mostly to easily resolved issues.

ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
Whether he was seeking assistance or not, your labeling Rick's report that PC-ALE crashes every time as a complaint is classic it must be the user's fault thinking. When an application crashes or generates runtime errors, its ALWAYS the developer's fault. Just out of curiousity, what

Re: ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-21 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Dave, Have I some how or other managed to offend you or something or is this just your nature? Regardless, if I were working with an interested party there are a number of steps that I would take which would involve QA about their system and use of common Windows tools such as the Windows

Re: ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-21 Thread Bill Aycock
Steve- It appears that you are trying to teach Dave programming techniques!! If so, this is one of the most ludicrous things I have seen, in over 50 years of computer activity. Dave probably knows more about this activity than any of us. I think (My opinion) he was asking to see what approach

Re: ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-21 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Bill, I don't know how anyone could interpret my reply as how to programming techniques, I thought it was pretty clear what/how he was asking and I thought I provided an appropriated reply, I could be mistaken as I am certainly far from perfect. Regardless, what I was then and with this

ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-21 Thread Dave Bernstein
I'm not personally offended when someone labels a report of an application crashing as a complaint, but its definitely an offense against good software engineering and warrants comment in a public formum where user expectations are set. Had your response to Rick been consistent with your

Re: ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-21 Thread Bill Aycock
Steve- I was an active Ham during the introduction of SSB ( frequently called SSBSC, at the time) and I see little in common in the current attempt to channelize the bands and increase Automatic operation. At the time of the SSB growth, the advantages were clear, as was the difficulty. I can

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread KV9U
I went to the configuration, selected Generic Icom in the drop down menu and then also went to the Generic Icom button and entered the usual information. The crash of the program occurs as the tones begin to TX. At that point it asks if you want to send an error report to Microsoft. Perhaps I

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread Andrew O'Brien
If it can not work at least as well as Multipsk with DX Lab's interoperation, it is not really ready for prime time. 73, Rick, KV9U But Rick, some of the best TV shows are on osbcure channels and not broadcast in prime time. Give ALE a little more time and you will see it's potential. --

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread KV9U
Prime time meaning that it doesn't actually work yet. If the program completely crashes upon attempting to transmit the tones, that suggests that more work is needed. Perhaps I am the only one who has experienced this? Another concern I have is that this is another one of those modes that

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread WA7HYD
Either I am totally misunderstanding the ALE concept, or the principal requires a special purpose dedicated transceiver and computer dedicated to ALE. To call on several frequencies would require programming memory locations and then incrementing the memory location periodically, with

ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, Its rather simple actually. Regarding the first item, as ALE is sophisticated and originally meant for Military and Government users with all the wealth of expandable capabilities, its was designed to implemented in via dedicated firmware/hardware Controllers/Modems and specially

RE: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread Harold Aaron
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment Either I am totally misunderstanding the ALE concept, or the principal requires a special purpose dedicated transceiver and computer dedicated to ALE. To call on several frequencies would require

re: ALE Concept - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Robert, Its rather simple, I see on QRZ.com in your station photo you have a Kenwood, using that and lets assume you have a single NVIS antenna for 160-30m and a Skywave antenna for 20-10m. 1. In setup you enter your Callsign as your ALE SELF ADDRESS and you enter a number of other

ALE and Amateur Radio - Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-20 Thread Dave Bernstein
Reporting that the PC-ALE application crashes seems like reasonable feedback. Labeling this feedback as a complaint is not the way to encourage more feedback and the improvements it can drive. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Steve Hajducek [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-19 Thread expeditionradio
ALE On-The-Air Week AOTAW 2006 Starts: 0001 UTC Friday 13 OCTOBER (13/10/06) Ends: 1159 UTC Monday 23 OCTOBER (23/10/06) 10 Days of worldwide Amateur Radio ALE activity... More information: http://hflink.com HFLINK is sponsoring a new International Amateur Radio event called: ALE On The Air Week

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-19 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I would like to encouraged all digitalradio members to try this event and work towards a certificate. One good thing about the concept is that it is over a 10 day period and thus gives people that are new to ALE and/or PC-ALE the chance to make adjustments and seek help if needed. Folks, if I

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-19 Thread KV9U
I have installed PC-ALE on my e-machine. I tried setting it up for a Generic ICOM and then tweak it for my 756 Pro 2. I have not been able to get it to work with the interface and I also noted that if I try to send anything the entire program crashes. What this program needs to do is be able

Re: [digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week (13-23 Oct) HF Automatic Link Establishment

2006-08-19 Thread Steve Hajducek
Hi Rick, Did you select GENERIC ICOM from the radio type pull down as well? Be sure to check SPLIT if you plan to perform Scanning to keep your PA BPF relays from activating until its time to transmit. New radio control support is coming to PC-ALE in the future based on the library developed

[digitalradio] ALE: 30 and 40M QRV/Oilvia switch

2006-07-30 Thread Andrew O'Brien
I will be scanning and sounding on the usual 30 and 40 metre freqencies from 0100 to 0300 UTC 7/31/06 (Sunday night in North America). I will be looking to Link and then switch to Olivia as a test of how easy/hard the switching is. -- Andy K3UK Fredonia, New York. Skype Me :

[digitalradio] ALE On-The-Air Week 13-23 October 2006

2006-07-28 Thread expeditionradio
ALE On-The-Air Week AOTAW 2006 Starts: 0001 UTC Friday 13 OCTOBER (13/10/06) Ends: 1159 UTC Monday 23 OCTOBER (23/10/06) 10 Days of worldwide Amateur Radio ALE activity... More information: http://hflink.com HFLINK is sponsoring a new International Amateur Radio event called: ALE On The Air Week

[digitalradio] ALE 1500Hz hand-off standard Re: Initiating QSO with ALE then PSK31, etc

2006-07-11 Thread expeditionradio
Walt/K5YFW wrote: So back to my question, I think you and I agree that MT63 and MFSK16 are the answer to Bonnie's problem. So your figures are right in-line with what others found for MT63. And of course MFSK16 is a wonderful keybaord-to-keyboard mode even transmitting macros nicely.

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